Iran is right next to Iraq - don't you think they have an "interest" in the region? Haven't we come to the conclusion in this thread that Nations are allowed to protect their "interests"?M.O.A.B wrote:
Iran infiltrates the borders and kidnaps soldiers from checkpoints attempting to maintain security to the region as well as supplying weaponary. Numerours times Iranian made weapons and high tech weaposn that can only really come from Iran have been found and used throughout the country by insurgents.
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Is Iran pursuing Nuclear Technology for Weapons?
| Yes | 78% | 78% - 84 | ||||
| No | 21% | 21% - 23 | ||||
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Good luck to 'em
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Terrorists don't exist
Yeah... and America bombed the shit out of the country from the air and then sent ground troops in to invade... and they still haven't left yet. I think it's a bit rich wagging fingers at anyone else tbqh.M.O.A.B wrote:
Iran infiltrates the borders and kidnaps soldiers from checkpoints attempting to maintain security to the region as well as supplying weaponary. Numerours times Iranian made weapons and high tech weaposn that can only really come from Iran have been found and used throughout the country by insurgents.Braddock wrote:
I thought it was America who infiltrated Iraq and killed loads of soldiers, no?M.O.A.B wrote:
What about the IRGC? They're th eones infiltrating Iraq, kidnapping and executing soldiers.
Hold on a second. Let me understand something. You trying to compere individual accidents to organized by government military hate parade?Braddock wrote:
Shall I dig up some nice footage of Israeli soldiers shall I?
Yep only America did.Braddock wrote:
Yeah... and America bombed the shit out of the country from the air and then sent ground troops in to invade... and they still haven't left yet. I think it's a bit rich wagging fingers at anyone else tbqh.
Yep and America wants to stay. That's why McCain's president.
And why haven't they left yet? Help from Iran.
Circular argument...
Accidents? Gimme a break mate. I've seen raw footage of Israeli soldiers opening fire on crowds carrying out peaceful protests, crowds that contain people of all races and colours; and what about all the land you guys have stolen, was that an accident too? Were you looking at the map the wrong way round or something?Lisik wrote:
Hold on a second. Let me understand something. You trying to compere individual accidents to organized by government military hate parade?Braddock wrote:
Shall I dig up some nice footage of Israeli soldiers shall I?
You're all full of hate, extremism and violence, you're all as bad as each other. Don't go fooling yourself that you're any better than your Arabic neighbours. Israel might try and pretend its closer to the West than it's Arabic counterparts but it's a nation built on sectarianism and religious supremacism and held together by violence and oppression.
Nope not just America... America and all the other lackey nations who swallowed that bullshit Colon Powell was peddling at the UN.Pug wrote:
Yep only America did.Braddock wrote:
Yeah... and America bombed the shit out of the country from the air and then sent ground troops in to invade... and they still haven't left yet. I think it's a bit rich wagging fingers at anyone else tbqh.
Yep and America wants to stay. That's why McCain's president.
And why haven't they left yet? Help from Iran.
Circular argument...
Obama is President because thankfully enough people in America have woken up from the neo-con nightmare.
The point I was making that the US have absolutely no right to criticize other people for invading Iraq is entirely valid... it's a bit like an illegal alien complaining about the country being full of dirty immigrants.
Well to be fair, you could compare that to Ireland as well. Protties vs Cathy's part Twelve or somethingBraddock wrote:
You're all full of hate, extremism and violence, you're all as bad as each other.
You mean the part where the IRA decommission all their weapons and enter into power sharing with the Unionists?M.O.A.B wrote:
Well to be fair, you could compare that to Ireland as well. Protties vs Cathy's part Twelve or somethingBraddock wrote:
You're all full of hate, extremism and violence, you're all as bad as each other.
That part.Braddock wrote:
You mean the part where the IRA decommission all their weapons and enter into power sharing with the Unionists?M.O.A.B wrote:
Well to be fair, you could compare that to Ireland as well. Protties vs Cathy's part Twelve or somethingBraddock wrote:
You're all full of hate, extremism and violence, you're all as bad as each other.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Beg to differ.Braddock wrote:
Nope not just America... America and all the other lackey nations who swallowed that bullshit Colon Powell was peddling at the UN.
Obama is President because thankfully enough people in America have woken up from the neo-con nightmare.
The point I was making that the US have absolutely no right to criticize other people for invading Iraq is entirely valid... it's a bit like an illegal alien complaining about the country being full of dirty immigrants.
Smart versus dumb
Valid versus illegal
You mixed your argument.
Beg to differ about what? Outside of Britain and the ridiculously obscure Eastern bloc nations the rest of the 'coalition of the willing' grew some spine and eventually pulled out of your little war of folly in Iraq.Pug wrote:
Beg to differ.Braddock wrote:
Nope not just America... America and all the other lackey nations who swallowed that bullshit Colon Powell was peddling at the UN.
Obama is President because thankfully enough people in America have woken up from the neo-con nightmare.
The point I was making that the US have absolutely no right to criticize other people for invading Iraq is entirely valid... it's a bit like an illegal alien complaining about the country being full of dirty immigrants.
Smart versus dumb
Valid versus illegal
You mixed your argument.
Smart versus dumb? Suck it up my good friend, the people of America have spoken... God bless them all.
Vaild versus illegal? Lol... valid according to yourselves. I'm sure the Iranians have a similar attitude to their own operations in the region.
I mixed my argument? Mixed it with other valid points maybe.
beg to differ about "The point I was making that the US have absolutely no right to criticize other people for invading Iraq is entirely valid... it's a bit like an illegal alien complaining about the country being full of dirty immigrants."
I was responding to the idea you are purporting that the US invaded illegally. It was not an illegal invasion. It may or may not have been the best choice of action. So that's where my comments stem from - you are saying the US invasion was illegal because it was stupid. Stupid doesn't necessarily mean illegal. Get it?
Last: Vaild versus illegal? Lol... valid according to yourselves. I'm sure the Iranians have a similar attitude to their own operations in the region.
Valid according to ourselves...and the world. Why aren't other countries as active in Iraq? Because it's a quagmire...not because it was illegal.
The Iranians may have a similar attitude that they believe they are doing the right thing...but if you believe that undermining the current Iraqi government is what is supported by the world...
...nice try.
I was responding to the idea you are purporting that the US invaded illegally. It was not an illegal invasion. It may or may not have been the best choice of action. So that's where my comments stem from - you are saying the US invasion was illegal because it was stupid. Stupid doesn't necessarily mean illegal. Get it?
Last: Vaild versus illegal? Lol... valid according to yourselves. I'm sure the Iranians have a similar attitude to their own operations in the region.
Valid according to ourselves...and the world. Why aren't other countries as active in Iraq? Because it's a quagmire...not because it was illegal.
The Iranians may have a similar attitude that they believe they are doing the right thing...but if you believe that undermining the current Iraqi government is what is supported by the world...
...nice try.
So it's legal to invade another country because you don't like the type of Government they have these days, is it?
You'll have to ask all the governments that went about that one.Braddock wrote:
So it's legal to invade another country because you don't like the type of Government they have these days, is it?
Saddam didn't like how they were doing things in Kuwait in the early 90's... remind me again how the International community viewed that one?M.O.A.B wrote:
You'll have to ask all the governments that went about that one.Braddock wrote:
So it's legal to invade another country because you don't like the type of Government they have these days, is it?
Owned his ass, but Saddam was there to take Kuwait. The Iraq war is not about colonising Iraq.Braddock wrote:
Saddam didn't like how they were doing things in Kuwait in the early 90's... remind me again how the International community viewed that one?M.O.A.B wrote:
You'll have to ask all the governments that went about that one.Braddock wrote:
So it's legal to invade another country because you don't like the type of Government they have these days, is it?
O rly?Braddock wrote:
So it's legal to invade another country because you don't like the type of Government they have these days, is it?
Did you get brainwashed or something?
I don't think I need to explain the litany of reasons why Iraq was invaded...and to preempt you...besides WMDs....
Humour me... why was it invaded?Pug wrote:
O rly?Braddock wrote:
So it's legal to invade another country because you don't like the type of Government they have these days, is it?
Did you get brainwashed or something?
I don't think I need to explain the litany of reasons why Iraq was invaded...and to preempt you...besides WMDs....
That's not how a lot of Iraqis and many other Arabs look at it. That big fuck off embassy you guys are building sure screams 'imperialism' at me.M.O.A.B wrote:
Owned his ass, but Saddam was there to take Kuwait. The Iraq war is not about colonising Iraq.Braddock wrote:
Saddam didn't like how they were doing things in Kuwait in the early 90's... remind me again how the International community viewed that one?M.O.A.B wrote:
You'll have to ask all the governments that went about that one.
Exactly.. there is no end to it. There is no good or bad guys. America want to protect their interest, Iran doenst want to be surrounded by the enemy and wants a nuclear deterrent. Israel already have nukes and want to keep their military supremacy in the region.Pug wrote:
Circular argument...
The only way to solve that mess is to let Iran have nukes.
M.A.D prevented a war between the US and the Soviet Union.. Same will happen between Iran and Israel.
Only brainwashed morons think that Iran will give a nuke to a terrorist organisation.. that is ridiculous. If a nuke detonate in Israel, the whole region will be fucked up for hundreds of years.. Even crazy islamists know that.
Like I really need to tell you...Braddock wrote:
Humour me... why was it invaded?Pug wrote:
O rly?Braddock wrote:
So it's legal to invade another country because you don't like the type of Government they have these days, is it?
Did you get brainwashed or something?
I don't think I need to explain the litany of reasons why Iraq was invaded...and to preempt you...besides WMDs....
Why? It wasn't for weapons of mass destruction and it wasn't because he was a credible threat to US security so why did they invade?Pug wrote:
Like I really need to tell you...Braddock wrote:
Humour me... why was it invaded?Pug wrote:
O rly?
Did you get brainwashed or something?
I don't think I need to explain the litany of reasons why Iraq was invaded...and to preempt you...besides WMDs....
So then every embassy around the world screams that and every country is guilty of being imperialistic? That places will need to be extremely fortified, Iraq is still dangerous at times. You don't build something likely to fall apart in a warzone.Braddock wrote:
That's not how a lot of Iraqis and many other Arabs look at it. That big fuck off embassy you guys are building sure screams 'imperialism' at me.M.O.A.B wrote:
Owned his ass, but Saddam was there to take Kuwait. The Iraq war is not about colonising Iraq.Braddock wrote:
Saddam didn't like how they were doing things in Kuwait in the early 90's... remind me again how the International community viewed that one?