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2008-11-18 20:18:39
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6715|'Murka

Poseidon wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Question though - what type of flying opportunities are available out of UPT? Or does it vary? What have you seen?
Pretty much every platform in the inventory. Just depends on where you graduate in the class and where you go to UPT (if you go to Euro-NATO Joint Jet Training [ENJJT], you'll go fighters regardless of where you finish in the class...usually).
Damn...that sounds great to me.

I can't really find much on ENJJT though - what's the deal with it?
Source
Air Force pilot candidates begin with Initial Flight Screening (IFS). In IFS, civilian instructors provide up to 25 hours of flight instruction to pilot candidates.

Pilot candidates then attend either Euro-NATO joint jet pilot training (ENJJPT) or joint specialized undergraduate pilot training (JSUPT).
An ENJJPT student in a T-37 at Sheppard AFB

ENJJPT is located at Sheppard AFB, Texas. The entire course lasts about 54 weeks. Students learn with, and are taught by, officers of the U.S. Air Force and various European airforces. Student pilots first fly the T-37 mastering contact, instrument, low-level and formation flying. Next, they train on the supersonic T-38 Talon and continue building the skills necessary to become a fighter pilot.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-11-18 20:25:40
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6842|Long Island, New York
Holy crap!

https://i.cdn.turner.com/v5cache/TBS/Images/Dynamic/i24/fg_episode009_337x233_041120061847.gif

That sounds incredible...I know the two top students in AFROTC at ERAU get to train in (or atleast fly) T-38's. A family friend of ours was also in the AF and flew in them.

Sounds absolutely incredible.

I'll still give myself a little while to think about it...but I think I'm ruling out enlisting in the AF after HS. If I join, it'll be after 4 years in college. Marines are still an option though.
2008-11-19 06:56:50
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Poseidon wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I posted this here for a reason...I'm looking for serious replies. Thanks in advance to anyone who helps.
And you have to bring politics in here, lowing? Reeeeeeeally?

I know you're still butthurt that Obama's going to be commander-in-chief, but really...fuck off.
Actually I meant it:

those are the terms used in this forum to describe others and their achievements and lack of achievements, I just thought you would try it on for size since I thought you believed all of that bullshit.

So you have decided that you need to apply yourself, and actually put forth an effort. Good for you, I am glad you realize that all of that other stuff is bullshit and you have control over every decision you make and you intend to make good ones and reap the rewards from them.

Last edited by lowing (2008-11-19 07:05:17)

2008-11-19 07:03:11
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6794|Gogledd Cymru

Go to college, even if it's just for your first year, it's an experience everyone should have.
2008-11-19 07:11:24
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6842|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I posted this here for a reason...I'm looking for serious replies. Thanks in advance to anyone who helps.
And you have to bring politics in here, lowing? Reeeeeeeally?

I know you're still butthurt that Obama's going to be commander-in-chief, but really...fuck off.
Actually I meant it:

those are the terms used in this forum to describe others and their achievements and lack of achievements, I just thought you would try it on for size since I thought you believed all of that bullshit.

So you have decided that you need to apply yourself, and actually put forth an effort. Good for you, I am glad you realize that all of that other stuff is bullshit and you have control over every decision you make and you intend to make good ones and reap the rewards from them.
I don't care what it's for or what you believe. It's about your personal political feelings, not about my college/career choices. This isn't the time nor the place to discuss how you're paranoid of socialism. Go do it in a thread that warrants it, but not here.

The Sheriff wrote:

Go to college, even if it's just for your first year, it's an experience everyone should have.
Looking that way currently. ERAU or Florida Tech most likely...Cowami seems to enjoy ERAU and some guy who went to Florida Tech said it was the best 4 years of his life.
2008-11-19 12:53:59
icecold2510
Member
+31|6598

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Just FYI poseidon, I think any flying MOS in any branch of the military requires some sort of college degree. AFAIK, you have to be a Warrant Officer or Commissioned Officer to fly in the Army and USAF. Same thing probably applies to the USMC, USN, and USCG.
Don't need a college degree to be a warrant officer to fly helicopters in the US Army. I have the booklet right here, I'm thinking if I want to do infantry and go to Ranger school, or go through Warrant Officer flight training.

The only thing that says anything about college is this:  If you are a general equivalency diploma (GED) graduate, you must have a minimum of 15 semester hours of college.
You do need to score higher than 90 on the flight aptitude selection test and achieve a General Technical score of at least 110 on the ASVAB.

Thats all the info I have...

Last edited by icecold2510 (2008-11-19 12:55:20)

2008-11-19 15:17:11
Kimmmmmmmmmmmm
©
+1,811|6301
helpful guide for what to avoid if you really want to get a job out of college

http://www.holytaco.com/2008/06/03/the- … ge-majors/
2008-11-19 22:47:57
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


And you have to bring politics in here, lowing? Reeeeeeeally?

I know you're still butthurt that Obama's going to be commander-in-chief, but really...fuck off.
Actually I meant it:

those are the terms used in this forum to describe others and their achievements and lack of achievements, I just thought you would try it on for size since I thought you believed all of that bullshit.

So you have decided that you need to apply yourself, and actually put forth an effort. Good for you, I am glad you realize that all of that other stuff is bullshit and you have control over every decision you make and you intend to make good ones and reap the rewards from them.
I don't care what it's for or what you believe. It's about your personal political feelings, not about my college/career choices. This isn't the time nor the place to discuss how you're paranoid of socialism. Go do it in a thread that warrants it, but not here.

The Sheriff wrote:

Go to college, even if it's just for your first year, it's an experience everyone should have.
Looking that way currently. ERAU or Florida Tech most likely...Cowami seems to enjoy ERAU and some guy who went to Florida Tech said it was the best 4 years of his life.
I understand, all of that bullshit about luck and destiny are excuses for other people, not you. You insist that for yourself, you are gunna have to get off of your ass and actually strive to achieve and to succeed. Well, at least we agree on the actual practice of good decision making even though you have a trough of excuses for others who do not. It is a good thing you decided NOT to practice what you preach. Your future is at stake.
2008-11-19 23:48:53
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6979|Canberra, AUS
I understand, all of that bullshit about luck and destiny are excuses for other people, not you. You insist that for yourself, you are gunna have to get off of your ass and actually strive to achieve and to succeed. Well, at least we agree on the actual practice of good decision making even though you have a trough of excuses for others who do not. It is a good thing you decided NOT to practice what you preach. Your future is at stake.
Wow, not only have you totally and misunderstood what he was saying all along (and made up something in place), you've brought it into something totally unrelated.

GG.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-11-20 03:03:36
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6842|Long Island, New York

Spark wrote:

I understand, all of that bullshit about luck and destiny are excuses for other people, not you. You insist that for yourself, you are gunna have to get off of your ass and actually strive to achieve and to succeed. Well, at least we agree on the actual practice of good decision making even though you have a trough of excuses for others who do not. It is a good thing you decided NOT to practice what you preach. Your future is at stake.
Wow, not only have you totally and misunderstood what he was saying all along (and made up something in place), you've brought it into something totally unrelated.

GG.
It's funny too, I expected any derailing in the thread to come from someone a bit younger. Lowing needs to get his daily talking points out somehow!

That's the world I'll be living in, I guess.
2008-11-20 03:30:32
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

Spark wrote:

you've brought it into something totally unrelated.
you know what.  shut the fuck up.  happens all the time here.  say that to someone other than lowing once and a while. 


oh ya.....gj on doing the same thing you are bitching about.
2008-11-20 04:40:40
beerface702
Member
+65|6997|las vegas
Drink.
2008-11-20 05:55:07
JahManRed
wank
+646|6932|IRELAND

The Marines might throw you a rifle and make you a grunt. Can you choose your path to flying in the Marines?

Id get the education first. Then you have the choice. Military or civil. By the time your educated you might not want to join the airforce. This gives you a choice.
I wanted to be a pilot, but was told I was too big to fit in the dam seats. Booo.
2008-11-20 06:00:50
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Poseidon wrote:

Spark wrote:

I understand, all of that bullshit about luck and destiny are excuses for other people, not you. You insist that for yourself, you are gunna have to get off of your ass and actually strive to achieve and to succeed. Well, at least we agree on the actual practice of good decision making even though you have a trough of excuses for others who do not. It is a good thing you decided NOT to practice what you preach. Your future is at stake.
Wow, not only have you totally and misunderstood what he was saying all along (and made up something in place), you've brought it into something totally unrelated.

GG.
It's funny too, I expected any derailing in the thread to come from someone a bit younger. Lowing needs to get his daily talking points out somehow!

That's the world I'll be living in, I guess.
There is no derail. I am happy for you, that you are exploring options for your future, and that waiting for your govt. to do something for you is not one of them. I only wish you would expect the same thing from others that you insist I pay for, since I am already in the workforce.


You do realize that what you are seeking to do is the very thing that I have preached about in this forum. Self reliance, and taking responsibility for yourself and your actions. Education, and making yourself marketable so an employer will snatch you up... I am so proud of you, great job and keep it up. Now, simply pass on the advice

Last edited by lowing (2008-11-20 06:03:33)

2008-11-20 06:07:56
JahManRed
wank
+646|6932|IRELAND

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Spark wrote:

Wow, not only have you totally and misunderstood what he was saying all along (and made up something in place), you've brought it into something totally unrelated.

GG.
It's funny too, I expected any derailing in the thread to come from someone a bit younger. Lowing needs to get his daily talking points out somehow!

That's the world I'll be living in, I guess.
There is no derail. I am happy for you, that you are exploring options for your future, and that waiting for your govt. to do something for you is not one of them. I only wish you would expect the same thing from others that you insist I pay for, since I am already in the workforce.
Hypothetically. Say Poseidon came from a poor family. Maybe his mum and day are drug addicts. Would you begrudge the state(your taxes) paying to help him get educated and get a good job. So his kids are brought up in a stable well off family with Poseidon setting a good example to his kids to work hard. And because he has a good job, he can put his own kids through school/ In effect breaking a cycle of state dependency which can be passed on from generation to generation?
Sorry to be off topic, but I had to......
2008-11-20 07:47:41
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

JahManRed wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


It's funny too, I expected any derailing in the thread to come from someone a bit younger. Lowing needs to get his daily talking points out somehow!

That's the world I'll be living in, I guess.
There is no derail. I am happy for you, that you are exploring options for your future, and that waiting for your govt. to do something for you is not one of them. I only wish you would expect the same thing from others that you insist I pay for, since I am already in the workforce.
Hypothetically. Say Poseidon came from a poor family. Maybe his mum and day are drug addicts. Would you begrudge the state(your taxes) paying to help him get educated and get a good job. So his kids are brought up in a stable well off family with Poseidon setting a good example to his kids to work hard. And because he has a good job, he can put his own kids through school/ In effect breaking a cycle of state dependency which can be passed on from generation to generation?
Sorry to be off topic, but I had to......
Absolutely not, by your scenerio he would be attempting to help and better himself. I have no problem with hand ups. It is he, however who must take the first steps to accomplish this and once done so, he unarguably would have EARNED it.

All of my problems stems from free handouts to people who think they are simply "entitled" to govt. ( my tax dollars) assistence.
2008-11-20 08:14:15
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6594|Éire

lowing wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

lowing wrote:

There is no derail. I am happy for you, that you are exploring options for your future, and that waiting for your govt. to do something for you is not one of them. I only wish you would expect the same thing from others that you insist I pay for, since I am already in the workforce.
Hypothetically. Say Poseidon came from a poor family. Maybe his mum and day are drug addicts. Would you begrudge the state(your taxes) paying to help him get educated and get a good job. So his kids are brought up in a stable well off family with Poseidon setting a good example to his kids to work hard. And because he has a good job, he can put his own kids through school/ In effect breaking a cycle of state dependency which can be passed on from generation to generation?
Sorry to be off topic, but I had to......
Absolutely not, by your scenerio he would be attempting to help and better himself. I have no problem with hand ups. It is he, however who must take the first steps to accomplish this and once done so, he unarguably would have EARNED it.

All of my problems stems from free handouts to people who think they are simply "entitled" to govt. ( my tax dollars) assistence.
You are of the same opinion as most socialists then... European socialists at least.

I believe in proper socialism with checks and balances... not an airy-fairy, utopian free for all.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-11-20 08:14:38)

2008-11-20 09:54:49
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

JahManRed wrote:


Hypothetically. Say Poseidon came from a poor family. Maybe his mum and day are drug addicts. Would you begrudge the state(your taxes) paying to help him get educated and get a good job. So his kids are brought up in a stable well off family with Poseidon setting a good example to his kids to work hard. And because he has a good job, he can put his own kids through school/ In effect breaking a cycle of state dependency which can be passed on from generation to generation?
Sorry to be off topic, but I had to......
Absolutely not, by your scenerio he would be attempting to help and better himself. I have no problem with hand ups. It is he, however who must take the first steps to accomplish this and once done so, he unarguably would have EARNED it.

All of my problems stems from free handouts to people who think they are simply "entitled" to govt. ( my tax dollars) assistence.
You are of the same opinion as most socialists then... European socialists at least.

I believe in proper socialism with checks and balances... not an airy-fairy, utopian free for all.
It has long been concluded, braddock, that we are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to US and European socialism.

You have always fallen short of saying fuck anyone who does not contribute or tries t ocontribute, where I have no problem with it.
2008-11-20 10:02:13
jord
Member
+2,382|6982|The North, beyond the wall.
French Foreign legion it.
2008-11-20 10:32:25
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6594|Éire

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:


Absolutely not, by your scenerio he would be attempting to help and better himself. I have no problem with hand ups. It is he, however who must take the first steps to accomplish this and once done so, he unarguably would have EARNED it.

All of my problems stems from free handouts to people who think they are simply "entitled" to govt. ( my tax dollars) assistence.
You are of the same opinion as most socialists then... European socialists at least.

I believe in proper socialism with checks and balances... not an airy-fairy, utopian free for all.
It has long been concluded, braddock, that we are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to US and European socialism.

You have always fallen short of saying fuck anyone who does not contribute or tries t ocontribute, where I have no problem with it.
I have always advocated the need for checks and balances in socialist structures to weed out the piss-takers and freeloaders. Why don't your socialists send over a fact finding team to check out how socialism is really done here in Europe!
2008-11-20 10:35:52
CammRobb
Banned
+1,510|6434|Carnoustie MASSIF
Well they do things different over in the Uk, but I'm doing a diploma at college, and heading off to University in a couple of years to study for a degree.
2008-11-20 13:56:23
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6842|Long Island, New York
Guys, please...I don't want this thread being derailed (although it's a bit too late now). This is, after all, about my life, and I want serious advice given, not personal agendas being shouted out.

JahManRed wrote:

The Marines might throw you a rifle and make you a grunt. Can you choose your path to flying in the Marines?

Id get the education first. Then you have the choice. Military or civil. By the time your educated you might not want to join the airforce. This gives you a choice.
I wanted to be a pilot, but was told I was too big to fit in the dam seats. Booo.
Well, as I said, I wouldn't mind doing infantry really. In fact, it appeals to me a bit.

It's probably looking like I'm going to college first...but I still have time to decide. If I don't get into the colleges I want though, it's USMC for me. Although I could transfer in, but it feels like it's not worth it.
2008-11-20 18:41:24
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Poseidon wrote:

Guys, please...I don't want this thread being derailed (although it's a bit too late now). This is, after all, about my life, and I want serious advice given, not personal agendas being shouted out.

JahManRed wrote:

The Marines might throw you a rifle and make you a grunt. Can you choose your path to flying in the Marines?

Id get the education first. Then you have the choice. Military or civil. By the time your educated you might not want to join the airforce. This gives you a choice.
I wanted to be a pilot, but was told I was too big to fit in the dam seats. Booo.
Well, as I said, I wouldn't mind doing infantry really. In fact, it appeals to me a bit.

It's probably looking like I'm going to college first...but I still have time to decide. If I don't get into the colleges I want though, it's USMC for me. Although I could transfer in, but it feels like it's not worth it.
I am talking about your life, YOU are asking valid questions, to help secure YOUR future.  I am merely pointing out that after all of your gas, ambition, desire, ATTEMPT all seem to be pre-requisites to success and achievement. You do not seem to believe in all of that bullshit that you preach about as far as entitlement after all. You seem to believe that you actually DO have to go out and EARN a living. I guess waiting on Obama, and divine intervention is out huh?
2008-11-20 18:52:10
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:


You are of the same opinion as most socialists then... European socialists at least.

I believe in proper socialism with checks and balances... not an airy-fairy, utopian free for all.
It has long been concluded, braddock, that we are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to US and European socialism.

You have always fallen short of saying fuck anyone who does not contribute or tries t ocontribute, where I have no problem with it.
I have always advocated the need for checks and balances in socialist structures to weed out the piss-takers and freeloaders. Why don't your socialists send over a fact finding team to check out how socialism is really done here in Europe!
Because Americans have become more interested in "entitlement" than help. Entitled to the earnings of others.
2008-11-20 18:52:31
acEofspadEs6313
Shiny! Let's be bad guys.
+102|6997|NAS Jacksonville, Florida

jord wrote:

French Foreign legion it.
Always a great thing to fall back on.


OT: For your whole going to college, then joining, or vice versa, Congress authorized the formation of a new GI Bill earlier this year which supposedly gives full ride for school after so many years in. If money would be a problem, then I'd say enlist, do some time, then take the free money that's there. Besides, enlisted life is a lot of fun, or it is for me right now.

But, I'm biased. So meh.

 

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