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2008-11-14 16:27:26
Warhammer
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We had a decrease in solar activity lately and it will go immediately into global cooling stage. The decrease in the arctic could be turning around into increasing. In the middle ages they had very cold temperatures, but nowadays we have warmer temperatures. The earth's position and the sun's stage determines the temperature of the earth overall. I think these are just cycles we are experiencing.

I think we should make transition for energy, but not based on "saving the planet." We could harm our environment more in other areas we overlook when trying to "save the planet."

Plus volcanoes do more damage to the environment than mankind even just one volcano.
2008-11-14 16:35:46
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6527|Brisneyland
Great , then we will have to ban volcanos as well... Oh thats right we cant do that. Guess we will just have to deal with what we can , which is lowering emissions and using alternate energy.

Oh and Jord, Clarkson would probably agree with me opinion of him.

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2008-11-14 19:09:48
Warhammer
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+18|5985
I am saying us trying to lowering emissions won't do much of what is already being done anyway sooner or later.
2008-11-14 19:13:14
Warhammer
Member
+18|5985
Double post, I already said energy transition is fine with me. Plus Global cooling is going to happen
2008-11-14 19:42:42
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6853|San Diego, CA, USA
If I were Canada or Russia I would be pumping so much pollution in the air...I mean if the earth warms up they will be the breadbaskets of the world like the United States is today.
2008-11-14 20:49:53
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6979|Canberra, AUS

Warhammer wrote:

We had a decrease in solar activity lately and it will go immediately into global cooling stage. The decrease in the arctic could be turning around into increasing. In the middle ages they had very cold temperatures, but nowadays we have warmer temperatures. The earth's position and the sun's stage determines the temperature of the earth overall. I think these are just cycles we are experiencing.
This gets up my nerves. People read one little article without even trying to understand the actual science behind it and they think they know it all.

The only natural cycle that has the ability to alter the earth's climate on a major scale at present are the Milankovitch cycles which relate to the Earth's tilt and the shape (eccentricity for the mathematically minded) of the Earth's orbit.

Now.

The shortest Milankovich cycle is several THOUSAND years. THOUSANDS. They are so slow on a human timescale that we shouldn't notice anything for several hundred years, let alone a few decades.

Solar activity is the opposite. It varies on a period of about a decade. But it is SO quick and the variations so consistent (at least for the last few hundred years) that the net climatic effect from this is ZERO over the last few hundred years. Besides, if solar cycles were the main driver, 1998 would have been fairly cool. Not blastingly hot. (1998 was hot because of a crazy-ass El Nino, but that's beside the point)

Plus volcanoes do more damage to the environment than mankind even just one volcano.
You bet they do. The cooling effect of a volcanic eruption can trigger an ice age.

There is absolutely no chance, though, that volcanoes on earth could lead to a short-term warming effect (and for all purposes we are always talking the short term).

So the only way global cooling is going to happen any time soon (i.e. for the next thousand years) is either through nuclear war, massive volcanism or an asteroid strike.

Which is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Last edited by Spark (2008-11-14 20:51:42)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-11-14 21:10:02
imortal
Member
+240|6969|Austin, TX

Buckles wrote:

Technically, we're in an ice age now because the northern and southern polar ice sheets are still present
Now that is a laugh.  On the scale of the hot and cold cycles, we are near the upper part of the 'hot' end.  The median state is a lot colder then we are right now.
2008-11-14 21:14:21
ceslayer23
IN YOUR MIRROR
+142|6666|CLOSER THAN I APPEAR
"global warming" is just a cycle

was it not just 30 years ago we were worried about global cooling and entering the next ice age?
2008-11-14 22:32:57
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6979|Canberra, AUS

ceslayer23 wrote:

"global warming" is just a cycle

was it not just 30 years ago we were worried about global cooling and entering the next ice age?
ignorance must truly be bliss
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-11-15 00:38:41
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Jord wrote:

You lost all credibility when you insulted Clarkson.
Clarkson is a retarded prick.

The weight of evidence seems to be:

Humans are causing global warming.

The consequences are likely to be serious. By serious I mean things like not being able to grow corn in North America - at all.

It would make sense to at least minimise our contribution as far a we can.
Even if its 50:50. Would you play Russian roulette with 3 rounds in a six shooter? I wouldn't.

Since fossil fuels are due to run out very soon (apart from coal), like 50 years maximum, we will need to do it anyway so lets get on with it.
Fuck Israel
2008-11-15 00:42:30
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

Spark wrote:

ignorance must truly be bliss
no.

people not buying into the bollocks you swallowed is bliss.
2008-11-15 00:44:50
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6979|Canberra, AUS

usmarine wrote:

Spark wrote:

ignorance must truly be bliss
no.

people not buying into the bollocks you swallowed is bliss.
I bothered to actually work out how the "bollocks" actually worked, unlike you.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-11-15 00:46:22
usmarine
Banned
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Spark wrote:

I bothered to actually work out how the "bollocks" actually worked, unlike you.
orly.  well good on you.  i will stand around and do fuck all because i dont buy that shit.
2008-11-15 16:14:27
Warhammer
Member
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Spark, there are scientists that believe that solar activity has played a factor in global warming. I still think the earth goes in cycles. Because in the middle ages if they experienced very cold temperatures then went back to warmer temperatures. Why does it switches instead of being consistent? There was not mass production of mankind's industries back then. I still think it shouldn't be exaggerated like it is now.
2008-11-15 20:08:05
The#1Spot
Member
+105|6844|byah

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jord wrote:

You lost all credibility when you insulted Clarkson.
Clarkson is a retarded prick.

The weight of evidence seems to be:

Humans are causing global warming.

The consequences are likely to be serious. By serious I mean things like not being able to grow corn in North America - at all.

It would make sense to at least minimise our contribution as far a we can.
Even if its 50:50. Would you play Russian roulette with 3 rounds in a six shooter? I wouldn't.

Since fossil fuels are due to run out very soon (apart from coal), like 50 years maximum, we will need to do it anyway so lets get on with it.
You can walk to work or what ever you do naked and homeless as 99.9% of materials needed some sort of factory to be made as I drive my car.
2008-11-16 01:15:09
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6979|Canberra, AUS

Warhammer wrote:

Spark, there are scientists that believe that solar activity has played a factor in global warming. I still think the earth goes in cycles. Because in the middle ages if they experienced very cold temperatures then went back to warmer temperatures. Why does it switches instead of being consistent? There was not mass production of mankind's industries back then. I still think it shouldn't be exaggerated like it is now.
It does. But the only cycle with the ability to create the kind of changes we're talking about is on a comparatively huuuuuuuuge timescale.

And, the temperatures in the middle ages were not 'cold'. Certainly, compared to now, they are, but back then, the variation was fairly small. I'm not arguing about the fact that it's cyclical but on this kind of timescale, the cycles are fairly inconsequential.

there are scientists that believe that solar activity has played a factor in global warming
I know that. And I know that they have mostly been discredited. The vast majority (and I mean the 99%+ majority, unless there are a large number of scientists who are incompetent at getting published) say that the data that shows the link is fudged (we are, after all, talking about 20 year old sets of predictions being used to support the solar variation theory, remember) or grossly exaggerated.

Last edited by Spark (2008-11-16 01:16:11)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-11-16 10:21:47
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina
"The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, see you down in Arizona bay."

 

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