Burwhale
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The popular theory for many decades is that tax cuts help to stimulate the economy. However there is evidence to point to the opposite being true. Source

Alternet wrote:

The brute facts are these:

Large income tax cuts are followed by a bubble and then a crash.

High income taxes correlate with economic growth.

Income tax increases are followed by economic growth.

Moderate income tax cuts are followed by a flat economy.

All of this is especially true as applied to the top tax rates, the amount paid on income that exceeds the highest bracket.
One example of tax cuts harming economy-

Alternet wrote:

1. Hoover   During World War I, the top marginal tax rate went up to 73 percent -- not the highest ever, but pretty high.

In 1922, a series of rate cuts began. Down to 56 percent, 46 percent, and finally, in 1925, it went down to 25 percent.

The stock market took off. There was a boom. But the boom was a bubble.

It was followed by the Great Crash of 1929.

There were bank failures and the Great Depression.
Conversely higher taxes stimulate the economy...

Alternet wrote:

The four periods of greatest economic growth in American history, by pretty much any measure, are:


World War II (1941-45): top tax rate varied from 88 to 94 percent

Post-war under Truman and Eisenhower: top rate bounced around from 81 to 92 percent

Clinton years: Clinton raised Bush's top rate of 31 percent to 37 percent and then to 39 percent

First two Roosevelt administrations (1933-40). When Roosevelt came into office, Hoover had already raised the tax rate in 1932 from 25 percent to 63 percent. Roosevelt raised it again in 1936 to 79 percent.
Looking at the facts presented, their is some pretty solid evidence to suggest that Tax cuts may actually hurt the economy. I was incredulous at first, and I am not totally sold on this, but it definitely deserves further debate, especially as it flies against popular opinion on tax cuts.
AussieReaper
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You have to take these cuts and raises into context of where the tax revenue actually goes. If the tax money goes into building projects, reinvesting into the economy then they are a force for good.

If tax money goes into paying off national debt interest rates but not the debt itself, the tax isn't doing much at all, only worsening the economy.

edit: i misspelled a word

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Dilbert_X
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Basically depends on whether you believe people or govts are likely to spend money in the national interest.

Govts tend to spend money in ways with positive trickle down consequences and to the long term benefit of the country, social spending, infrastructure projects etc.

Given extra money people tend to either save it or spend it in ways with negative trickle down consequences such as imported goods.
Or use it to maintain their status quo, ie put off making painful choices which would benefit themselves and the nation, eg continue running the big car, house etc.
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PureFodder
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It's dependent upon the particular situation in that country at that time and what the tax money is being spent on.
Burwhale
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I think this article was deliberately light on some of the things that you mention. He has another report coming out which relates to this topic. Its defintely worth a read.
CameronPoe
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Balance is the key. I'm pretty sure neither tax cuts nor tax hikes universally equate to increased prosperity. Year upon year of massive tax cuts for all in the late 90s and early 00s here in Ireland spurred on the Celtic Tiger but also perhaps spawned our supposed recession - cheap money and a consequent air of wanton irresponsibility were major factors in our current woes.

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Dilbert_X
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That and paddies flying all around the world and getting pissed on foreign beer, when they should have been saving and investing.

amirite?
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CameronPoe
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Dilbert_X wrote:

That and paddies flying all around the world and getting pissed on foreign beer, when they should have been saving and investing.

amirite?
urrite (and I was one of em, although I managed to save a shitload too cos I didn't do the idiot thing and buy an apartment in Bulgaria thinking it would make me rich)
Varegg
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Tax cuts does not destroy the economy!

Like mentioned it needs to be balanced in order to get a good budget, tax breaks with the current economic situation we have now can be a stimulus for increased spending and good for the economy but tax cuts alone do not fix the troubles we have now ... unless the banks functions properly people will not send a tax cut back into the system ...
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AussieReaper
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CameronPoe wrote:

urrite (and I was one of em, although I managed to save a shitload too cos I didn't do the idiot thing and buy an apartment in Bulgaria thinking it would make me rich)
I'll bet you still drank Guinness overseas. That would have helped your economy.
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I prefer my money in my pockets rather than being spent on fruit fly research in france thank you.
KEN-JENNINGS
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The government-sponsored purge of manufacturing and an industrial base combined with increased corporate tax breaks (even for non US-based companies) along with a decades-long shift from investing in manufacturing and traditionally prosporous industry to increased focus on "defense" spending, combined with the loss of commodities tied to the value of money printed by the Fed (especially in regards to labor) is what destroys economies.  Add in there an out of control stock, commodities and housing market where assets such as homes and/or stocks are bought and sold based on speculation as opposed to real value, and you have what has dented the American economy.

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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

The government-sponsored purge of manufacturing and an industrial base combined with increased corporate tax breaks (even for non US-based companies) along with a decades-long shift from investing in manufacturing and traditionally prosporous industry to increased focus on "defense" spending, combined with the loss of commodities tied to the value of money printed by the Fed (especially in regards to labor) is what destroys economies.  Add in there an out of control stock and housing market where assets such as homes and/or stocks are bought and sold based on speculation as opposed to real value, and you have what has dented the American economy.
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ATG
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Trickle down economics fail to take into account personal greed.

I am open to the idea.
SealXo
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You fail to mention when the stocks were recovering in 31 hoover rose the top income brackets taxes and it sunk back down.
FEOS
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There are some interesting points made in the article, but the problem with his analysis is that it looks at immediate correlation, not causation.

Economies don't go up or down on a dime (no pun intended). It takes years of policies to cause an economy to get into a given situation. Then there are all the other variables associated with overall revenue--like global trade trends, energy prices, and import/export agreements (and their associated revenue). Income, capital gains, and estate tax rates have no bearing on those variables.

One could also argue the objectivity (and economic qualifications) of the author.
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How about if they lower taxes you give me your share.

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