SealXo
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http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/id … IC20081111

Another 25-50 Billion down the drain so GM's CEO can keep taking a nap instead of correctly managing his company.



The bailout of American car companies has turned into life support. Let's all face it, American motor companies have a shitty fucking product, and no matter how much money you pump into these car manufacturers, they will still have a shitty product. And if a product is shitty, I won't buy it. It's like a band aide. And I'm paying for it. Cut the life support and let them suffer like all of the other shitty companies with shitty management, like circuit city.

No matter how much money the government and Obama and McCain want to pump into these assholes, the fact is, their cars fucking blow, and they always have. Other foreign manufacturers have evolved, and we have not. That is why Americans turn to Japan and Germany for their car of choice. The breakdown is that Germany has secks and style combined with gripping speed. And Japan has pretty good looking cars that are not only economical, but reliable. On the other hand. America, besides the cockvette, is full of ugly, 1960's, low mileage, shitty reliablity, shameful cars that bring laughter to our names.

No matter how much money we will have shit to research new shit like the following:

Behold the ford flex - http://www.speedsportlife.com/photopost … lex_02.jpg - This, my friends, looks like it came out of the retro days mixed in with some beach woodie... but without the fucking wood. What is this thing honestly? It looks like a toaster, while Toyota was building a Prius, some crack addict was on a 60's trip while on the drawing board.

Behold the PT Cruiser by Chrysler - http://www.dragtimes.com/images/8215-20 … ruiser.jpg - This is all the uses of a hearse, without the use of carrying dead people. Which makes it two things, ugly and useless.

Wow, the Chevy HHR, allstar ugly. - http://www.cardata.com/spoilers/images/ … vy_HHR.jpg - this will keep kids from running into the street and getting their balls, because holy fuck. look at those back lights. Again, its like the PT, but with four doors, and its scary. Who would buy such a thing.

Onto the SUV line, the Chevy Trailblazer - http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files … _TB003.jpg - this looks like the lowest quality car possible, why would I buy this when i could have a half decent Honda Pilot that is better in every way?

The Dodge Intrepid - http://www.landmarkautollc.com/images/p … 5504_1.jpg - Do i even need to explain this? its like 50 feet long!

Along with many others, Hummer research for a new H4, the Hummer lineup, the Suburbans seem to be where this countrys cars will continue to keep going. All i've seen is the VOLT, and then the koreans will come out with the exact same thing, only earlier and cheaper.

I propose if they get bailed out I get half off any American car on account I pay to keep their company alive.

Are you for or against the Auto Industry bailout?

Last edited by SealXo (2008-11-11 18:45:52)

The#1Spot
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+105|6844|byah
I am very much against the bailout plan. Sounds like a teenage snobby bitch that racks up 400$ a month on overtime fees and runs to her parents to milk money out of them. I have read that GM going bankrupt will cause a ripple effect. It will most likely happened and the reason its most likely going to happen is because of how shitty the company is.

Seal look forward to buy one get one free of equal or less value.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6970|NT, like Mick Dundee

Free market my ass. Cut the life support.

They should be doing it here in Australia too, I prefer toyotas to fords anyway.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6411|eXtreme to the maX
Car co mgmt is largely old white men trying to recreate the golden age of their youth.
Hence all the retro styling while the Japs are creating the future.

I look forward to the day a car co exec can say 'The next Ford/GM/Daimler will be smaller, slower, less powerful and more efficient' without getting fired by the other chest beating five year olds on the board.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-11-12 04:16:27)

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CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6860
Throwing money at these car manufacturers might save jobs and prove more prudent in the long run - however it may just be throwing good money after bad. The companies have failed in competition with Japanese and German vehicle manufacturers - unless they use the money to pull their head out of their asses and get an edge again then they will ultimately fail anyway and it will simply have been an exercise in sending money down into a deep dark blackhole. How can government money ensure that a company becomes succesful again in the global free market? It's a gamble. And a bailout is a kick in the nuts for free market ideologues.

On another note - where do the bailouts end? What is the cut-off point for being 'too big to fail'? Do you give a bailout to GM but not to Ford? How does a bailout affect competition within the domestic economy? Is this a one-off or can big companies rest assured in the fact that they can afford to fail because the government will bail them out? There are a lot of questions to be answered here.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-11-12 05:22:50)

PureFodder
Member
+225|6590
GM said that running a Canadian style healthcare system in the US would increase their profit margin by $1,500 per car.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6834|Global Command
If GM closes, not only will it's employees be out of work, but about 250k people in jobs related to the auto industry will need help to.

The best solution would be to null and void the UAWU contract and start over.

Part of the bailout will be used to pay unsustainable pensions, fuck that.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6847|Texas - Bigger than France
In this case, I think it would be best to have GM file bankruptcy and allow the creditors to choose the new management.  This is something that was considered for the bank bail out as well.

GM's not going to go overseas in any event - but filing bankruptcy will allow it to reorganize without repeating the same problems that led them here.

This isn't the last of these issues - there's a ripple effect on these dinosaur companies, so there's going to be a few more because some of these companies have some positions much like the banks did.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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While I agree that US car makers have some ugly cars, so do the Japs and the Germans, and everyone else.  I also wouldn't sit and call everything they make as a piece of shit.  Their quality rankings have come way up from years past with Ford, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Pontiac, Lincoln and Buick all with quality rankings that are at, or better than, the industry average of 118 problems per 100 vehicles sold.  Not only that, but Porsche and MB were the only two German cars that beat the industry average until this year when Audi jumped up 16 spots.  BMW is still behind, averaging more than the industry average for problems per 100 vehicles sold.

Oh yeah, and there were several Japanese car makers that were worse than the US automakers listed above.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06 … -released/

Now I'm not justifying the bailout they want, but stop using the tired old argument that US cars are all junk.  Just isn't true and makes your argument pitifully weak.
CameronPoe
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I think the problem ADB is that they didn't roll with the times. While they were busy churning out SUVs the rest were concentrating on fuel efficiency, environmental regulations and the implications of oil dependency.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6006|College Park, MD
It's because of the mafioso unions. People getting paid $40 an hour for manual labor, holding the company by the throat in an 'us v. them' mentality where their greed becomes their inherent self-destruction.
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CameronPoe
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

It's because of the mafioso unions. People getting paid $40 an hour for manual labor, holding the company by the throat in an 'us v. them' mentality where their greed becomes their inherent self-destruction.
Unions are far more prevalent in Europe than they are in the US. I don't get it.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6006|College Park, MD

CameronPoe wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

It's because of the mafioso unions. People getting paid $40 an hour for manual labor, holding the company by the throat in an 'us v. them' mentality where their greed becomes their inherent self-destruction.
Unions are far more prevalent in Europe than they are in the US. I don't get it.
GM let themselves be pushed around by the UAW. Not all unions are bad, it's mostly the auto unions. I think it's cheaper for Ford to keep a crappy plant open than to close it, because UAW workers demand treasure chests full of gold and truffles to be handed to them on their way out.
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SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6792|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

CameronPoe wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

It's because of the mafioso unions. People getting paid $40 an hour for manual labor, holding the company by the throat in an 'us v. them' mentality where their greed becomes their inherent self-destruction.
Unions are far more prevalent in Europe than they are in the US. I don't get it.
The unions here are hollow shells of what they were once. What I love is when the Union has you strike and you stop getting a paycheck and you union dues are still due. Or at the time when peoples paychecks are getting smaller the Union dues stay the same. American union bosses are just as bad as the CEO's they try and bad mouth.

Its funny that Toyota doesn't have their workers in the UAWU and they get paid better and better benefits.



Oh I also love how they are trying to brag about the Caddy Escalade Hybrid, 20mpg. Hold the fucking presses!!
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6006|College Park, MD

SgtHeihn wrote:

Oh I also love how they are trying to brag about the Caddy Escalade Hybrid, 20mpg. Hold the fucking presses!!
lulz fail

The Russians should just nuke Detroit so that we don't have to worry about these vermin.
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Agent_Dung_Bomb
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

I think it's cheaper for Ford to keep a crappy plant open than to close it, because UAW workers demand treasure chests full of gold and truffles to be handed to them on their way out.
You mean like those execs that get paid huge dollars to go away after running a company into the ground?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6860
Why don't they just export the jobs to Latin America - that'll keep the execs on handsome salaries. Everybody wins!
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6792|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

CameronPoe wrote:

Why don't they just export the jobs to Latin America - that'll keep the execs on handsome salaries. Everybody wins!
Half the cars are already assembled their. They don't want to move too much down their because they want to keep saying Made In The USA on the label.
usmarine
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+2,785|7066

cant stop it.  teh dems are in power now.
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6792|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

usmarine wrote:

cant stop it.  teh dems are in power now.
Pelosi is screaming for it.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7041|Salt Lake City

usmarine wrote:

cant stop it.  teh dems are in power now.
It would have happened even if McCain were in the White House, since he also supports it.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

usmarine wrote:

cant stop it.  teh dems are in power now.
It would have happened even if McCain were in the White House, since he also supports it.
there is nobody to fight the dems dude.  they have complete control.  and they love stuff like this.
CameronPoe
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+2,925|6860

usmarine wrote:

there is nobody to fight the dems dude.  they have complete control.  and they love stuff like this.
lol like the Reps would have stopped it...
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7041|Salt Lake City

usmarine wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

usmarine wrote:

cant stop it.  teh dems are in power now.
It would have happened even if McCain were in the White House, since he also supports it.
there is nobody to fight the dems dude.  they have complete control.  and they love stuff like this.
My point was that even if McCain were president it wouldn't have been vetoed.  I've also not heard whether the dems had enough seats to override a veto.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:

there is nobody to fight the dems dude.  they have complete control.  and they love stuff like this.
lol like the Reps would have stopped it...
reps tried to stop the bail out smart guy lewl.

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