I don't disagree, but that has nothing to do with the efficacy of the ABM system or Russia's knee-jerk response to it.Shahter wrote:
of course, Russia just prefer not to be messing with those who might be crazy enough to launch missiles at them to spending tax money on the development of ineffective ABM systems.FEOS wrote:
oh, c'mon dude, isn't it obvious? Russia hasn't built a successful ABM system.
seriously, removing their dick from ME ass would be for US and its NATO allies a much better way of protecting themselves from "terrorists", imho.
Perhaps you should research the topic, then. It's clear you haven't done that yet...but you seem to feel you've been "told everything".Shahter wrote:
tbqh, i don't remebmer when we established that as a fact. now, i'm not accusing you of lying, because that would render this discussion pointless, just that you aren't being told everything.FEOS wrote:
The point you keep missing is that these are postured to defend against MRBMs primarily. NOT...I repeat NOT...MIRV-equipped ICBMs of Russian manufacture.
Well, considering Russia had been playing nice with the rest of the world up until recently, maybe NATO thought that Russia would take a rational view and not attempt to use the installation of a purely defensive capability not focused on Russia as an excuse to pressure former Warsaw Pact states back into the fold.Shahter wrote:
no problem whatsoever, just don't bitch when in response to that Russia deploy more missiles. as i said, it's bloody Cold War again. NATO didn't want that? - oops, it's done already. next time you decide to do something like this consider the consequences. or come see us - maybe we can work something out?FEOS wrote:
So, by your logic, there's no problem with NATO installing these systems, since there's the POSSIBILITY that someone from the ME or Russia will launch a missile at them.Shahter wrote:
we are going in circles. i already said that INTENTIONS change every day, while POSSIBILITIES remain - and it's around those national security is built.
I'll give you a hint: It rhymes with "Russia".Shahter wrote:
well, i honestly don't know which side in this incident looks more ridiculous.FEOS wrote:
Justification for Russia being pissed (from a national security perspective) is even shakier than the justification for the MRBM threat imposed by Iran against Europe.
So you're saying Russia intends to attack simply because they have the capability to do so?Shahter wrote:
"intentions and possibilities"FEOS wrote:
Defensive systems do not pose a threat to anyone who doesn't intend to attack.
And again...the part you seem to misunderstand is that the ABM system being installed in Poland and the CR does not alter the balance in Europe one iota. It does nothing to impact Russia's ability to hold targets in Europe at risk. Nada. Zilch. Zero.Shahter wrote:
you seem to misunderstand me here (i blame my poor english again). let me make myself more clear:FEOS wrote:
It's not a round and round. You simply refuse to see the nonsensical nature of the Russian position. There is no threat posed to Russia by these systems, just as there is no threat posed to you by your neighbor's alarm system on their house. Yet you choose to point a gun at your neighbors because you don't like them for completely unrelated reasons, justifying your actions by the "threatening" alarm system they installed.Shahter wrote:
round and around again... see "intentions and possibilities".
i DON'T defend Russia position in this - it's undoubtedly politics, national security being brought in as an excuse mostly.
however: it was a RESPONSE to equally idiotic move by NATO, who decided that "terrorists" were of enough threat to their EU members to justify jeopardizing the balance in the region by deploying those ABM systems.
EVERYTHING is politics in this incedent, BOTH sides are using their national security as an excuse.
so, unlimately, the only thing you said i'm speaking against (missile defense systems and their capabilities not counted) is that Russia response to those installations in Poland and CR was completely uncalled-for.
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