BF2S Forums A less passive Europe

CameronPoe wrote:

imortal wrote:

Actually, to Germany in particular has a low birth-rate of nationals.  Most every developed country has seen a drastic decline in birth rates with the exception of muslim nations and the Chinese (and the Chinese are fighting to get their birth rate down).

I was not trying to state any kind of position, I was curious about how the numbers would turn out.  But yes, France is also a nation that comes to mind.

The only country in western Europe with a significant Muslim population is France (and they owe citizenship to those people for fucking them up the ass for centuries). And second and third generation Muslims are pretty secular (increasingly so). It's the straight out of Africa types who are a liability. There is nothing wrong with having Muslim minorities. A few scary individuals have tarnished the reputations of 1.3 billion people it would seem.

I am looking further into the future, when populations and attitudes shift.  I am not counting terrorism, or any other extremist activity.  But when people who refuse to integrate into your society reach a level where they can actually vote to change your society, what would happen?  I am being completely hypothetical here, but I was curious. 

Take Ireland for example.  How would you feel if enough people from another nation and culture immigrated to Ireland and, over the years, gained enough votes to change and alter the laws to better suit their culture than yours?  What if you had to watch your nation change around you?

imortal wrote:

Take Ireland for example.  How would you feel if enough people from another nation and culture immigrated to Ireland and, over the years, gained enough votes to change and alter the laws to better suit their culture than yours?  What if you had to watch your nation change around you?

It wouldn't happen. You can see it right now throughout Europe: hard right wing parties ballooning in popularity. The difference between Europe and America is that you are a cultural 'melting pot' and Europe is a network of heavily prejudiced and nationalistic identities who will unfortunately be all too ready to pull a Hitler on it if they feel their identities being meaningfully compromised. I hate to say it but it would be 1933 all over again. Anti-immigration parties are all the rage right now. In Austria and France in particular.

4. There does not need to be any greater leadership demonstrated over Russia. Keep above or on a par with them militarily is about all that can be asked for. Russia are a strategically very important country. Alienating them and treating them as an 'issue that needs to be resolved' is tantamount to shooting yourself in the foot.

yeah I agree with that Ruskies are dangerous

CameronPoe wrote:

imortal wrote:

Actually, to Germany in particular has a low birth-rate of nationals.  Most every developed country has seen a drastic decline in birth rates with the exception of muslim nations and the Chinese (and the Chinese are fighting to get their birth rate down).

I was not trying to state any kind of position, I was curious about how the numbers would turn out.  But yes, France is also a nation that comes to mind.

The only country in western Europe with a significant Muslim population is France (and they owe citizenship to those people for fucking them up the ass for centuries). And second and third generation Muslims are pretty secular (increasingly so). It's the straight out of Africa types who are a liability. There is nothing wrong with having Muslim minorities. A few scary individuals have tarnished the reputations of 1.3 billion people it would seem.

It all depends on what part of Africa you mean.  North Africa may have a few fanatics here and there, but it's really sub-Saharan Africans you have to worry about, and not because of cultural issues so much as disease ones.

For example, AIDS in America has now become a primarily black problem partially because of how many sub-Saharan Africans have mingled with the blacks that are born here.  Tests for HIV are limited in accuracy, and although we screen immigrants for HIV, some carriers still get through our system.  Statistically speaking, it is much more likely for a sub-Saharan African to have HIV than people from just about any other region on Earth.

So, in order to minimize the spread of HIV, it's probably best to limit the immigration of sub-Saharan Africans into Europe.  We need to limit it here as well.

Uzique wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So, in order to minimize the spread of HIV, it's probably best to limit the immigration of sub-Saharan Africans into Europe.  We need to limit it here as well.

Cor, that's a tiny bit controversial- wouldn't want to be the politician to enact that piece of legislation based on such a sweeping generalisation and wide discrimination. Shall we ban gays too seeing as AIDS was rampant in their own communities within society? AIDS is a humanitarian crisis - an issue for the human race to deal with - not a racial crisis. Of course in my opinion medical screening and vaccinations should be applied with due thorough care for all immigration/emmigration, but your solution is a little too (scarily) absolutist.

How the hell are we talking about AIDS anyway?

I didn't say a ban, just limits.

Uzique wrote:

A limit a little too wide in scope to settle, in my opinion...

But anyway, a minor aside .

Well, it could be more selective to focus on countries with high rates of AIDS.  For example, limiting the immigration of people from Sierra Leone more than the people of Kenya would make sense.