Poll

Would Barrack Obama have won if he ran as a Rebublican?

Yes28%28% - 14
No71%71% - 35
Total: 49
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Spearhead wrote:

I have a better question

"Would America have supported the Soviet Union if Hitler was a communist and Stalin was a Nazi?"
No doubt...  If Stalin had started invading Europe and Hitler took a less aggressive tact, we probably would have sided with Hitler.

Truman (back in the late 30s or early 40s) was once quoted as suggesting that we should let the Soviets and Nazies fight each other and then side with the loser.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6995|Tampa Bay Florida
The only good thing about power is that people who have it cannot resist abusing it.  After eight years of Bush and a GOP congress, now we've got a Democrat congress and the polar opposite of Bush.  In every way possible.

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-11-08 13:09:36)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Spearhead wrote:

The only good thing about power is that people who have it cannot resist abusing it.  After eight years of Bush and a GOP congress, now we've got a Democrat congress and the polar opposite of Bush.  In every way possible.
Obama's foreign policy isn't that different from Bush's.  He's very much an interventionist.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

That descriptor would inevitably have been used, but if you'd found a candidate who really was a 'maverick', which McCain wasn't, and who was young and strong enough to stand up for themselves, you might have had chance.
Do some research.

How many times and on what issues has McCain broken with the Republican Party?

Answer the same question for Obama.
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AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6458|what

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

That descriptor would inevitably have been used, but if you'd found a candidate who really was a 'maverick', which McCain wasn't, and who was young and strong enough to stand up for themselves, you might have had chance.
Do some research.

How many times and on what issues has McCain broken with the Republican Party?

Answer the same question for Obama.
Disagree with him or not, McCain campaigned for Bush and voted for him twice. His own words.

He couldn't distance himself further enough away from Bush if he tried.

The reason Florida went Democrat goes down to the fact how badly Bush reacted to Katrina, among other things..
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Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7071|Cambridge (UK)

Spark wrote:

Quite possibly on the international community. The outside enthusiasm was because (let's face it) he's African-American.
In your head maybe.

To answer the OP: no. It's the man and his policies, not the colour of his skin, that we like.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6995|Tampa Bay Florida

Turquoise wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

The only good thing about power is that people who have it cannot resist abusing it.  After eight years of Bush and a GOP congress, now we've got a Democrat congress and the polar opposite of Bush.  In every way possible.
Obama's foreign policy isn't that different from Bush's.  He's very much an interventionist.
Well we've had an interventionist president for the last 100 years....

Obama and Bush have different styles of intervention.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Spearhead wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

The only good thing about power is that people who have it cannot resist abusing it.  After eight years of Bush and a GOP congress, now we've got a Democrat congress and the polar opposite of Bush.  In every way possible.
Obama's foreign policy isn't that different from Bush's.  He's very much an interventionist.
Well we've had an interventionist president for the last 100 years....

Obama and Bush have different styles of intervention.
Very true...  I'm just saying that, as long as we keep getting involved in conflicts we don't belong in, we'll keep making enemies and racking up unnecessary debts.

Obama will be better than Bush, but there's not much he can do about the military industrial complex.  They're the ones that really run this government.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

TheAussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

That descriptor would inevitably have been used, but if you'd found a candidate who really was a 'maverick', which McCain wasn't, and who was young and strong enough to stand up for themselves, you might have had chance.
Do some research.

How many times and on what issues has McCain broken with the Republican Party?

Answer the same question for Obama.
Disagree with him or not, McCain campaigned for Bush and voted for him twice. His own words.

He couldn't distance himself further enough away from Bush if he tried.

The reason Florida went Democrat goes down to the fact how badly Bush reacted to Katrina, among other things..
So you're not going to address the issue, then?

BTW, Louisiana went Republican...you know, the state where Katrina actually happened?
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6751|Chicago, IL
No, because to run as a republican means adopting the policies of the neo/theo-conservative groups that have hijacked the party, and that is what cost the Republicans the race.

It wasn't about Iraq, or the Economy, it was the fact that the republican party was essentially saying that an uneducated, ultra religious (Christians only though), agrarian society is the best kind, and that is not what we as a nation stand for or support.  That is why they lost.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6453|'straya
Most likely not. however if Mcain/palin were the democrat candidates i think he would of.... but if he had some real opposition  he wouldnt have won
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

S.Lythberg wrote:

No, because to run as a republican means adopting the policies of the neo/theo-conservative groups that have hijacked the party, and that is what cost the Republicans the race.

It wasn't about Iraq, or the Economy, it was the fact that the republican party was essentially saying that an uneducated, ultra religious (Christians only though), agrarian society is the best kind, and that is not what we as a nation stand for or support.  That is why they lost.
It was absolutely about the economy. McCain had the stench of George Bush all over him.. 90%, 90%, 90% that's all I heard here in Fl.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6411|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:

How many times and on what issues has McCain broken with the Republican Party?
Answer the same question for Obama.
Bit late now don't you think?
Maybe McDuhbya should have researched it himself.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-11-09 01:58:25)

Fuck Israel
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,060|7076|PNW

What can you say to a question like that? It's blind-spot speculation. Would Hillary have won the Dems, or would another fresh face have been found and nurtured by the party beforehand? Would Obama have won the Republican nomination? Would he be P or VP? What Dem ticket would he be running against? What would a conservative or centrist Obama's policies be?

It's meaningless.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-11-09 03:06:57)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6411|eXtreme to the maX

Kmarion wrote:

I just vomited a bit.
Don't worry, when Obama turns out to be as crap as the rest the backlash will be incredible.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

How many times and on what issues has McCain broken with the Republican Party?
Answer the same question for Obama.
Bit late now don't you think?
Maybe McDuhbya should have researched it himself.
Or maybe the media could've done some "factfinding" to debunk Obama's claims.

Yes, it's a bit late--but that doesn't make the DNC's talking points any more valid. I've said it before: McCain's campaign managers should never hold a job higher than frycook after the utterly incompetent job they did over the past several months.
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― Albert Einstein

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