Non-Americans supporting presidential candidates... Is it wrong?

2008-11-04 11:25:38

#1

Minion: C:/DOS - C:/DOS/RUN - RUN/DOS/RUN; +54|6903|Newfoundland, Canada

I'm a Canadian, and I'm 'supporting' a certain candidate in America.. Is it so wrong for me to do this? Ever hear the saying that when America sneezes the whole world catches a cold? Well some of us are tired of getting sick.. And in my opinion, I don't think I should be criticized for supporting a certain candidate for president.

I put "Go *Insert candidate's name here*" in my facebook status update thing, and a marine friend of mine told me to shut up because I was Canadian!

Don't you think that change in America could help other countries as well? Especially countries that are so close to America, like Canada is?

And no I'm not saying who I'm 'supporting'... This topic isn't about that.

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2008-11-04 11:31:20

#2

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

Of course it's your right to support whomever you want for any office in any country. It's a bit silly, though, since you have no chance of impacting the election in any way.

Non-Americans having an opinion on our political processes and candidates is interesting, a little cute...but ultimately irrelevant.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-04 11:33:54

#3

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6926|London, England

No it's not wrong. Why would it be "wrong" - I can see why someone (an American) would just tell you to shut up though, especially if you were saying go Obama (considering that guy is a marine, I'm guessing you did say go Obama, he probably wouldn't have told you to shut up if you said McCain, my two pence)

2008-11-04 11:35:40

#4

Minion: C:/DOS - C:/DOS/RUN - RUN/DOS/RUN; +54|6903|Newfoundland, Canada

I'm aware that it has no impact on the process over there, but millions of people still want to show their support even if they're not American.

2008-11-04 11:36:21

#5

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6860

It's not wrong. Anybody can be interested in anything. And we live in a global world from a financial/capital perspective. If Obama gets into office the entire world will, at the very least temporarily, love the United States of America again. Now hopefully Obama, if he makes it into office, doesn't squander that goodwill, the same kind of goodwill that Bush destroyed so readily.

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2008-11-04 11:36:47

#6

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6595|Éire

If America is so fond of sticking its nose in other people's business and pursuing an interventionist foreign policy then I'm afraid Americans will just have to get used to the whole world having an opinion on their electoral races... simple as that. I don't care about the elections in the Philippines or in Peru because they don't fly military flights through Shannon airport thus compromising my country's neutrality and they aren't trying to turn the continent I live in into a battlefield with a controversial missile system.

I am naturally going to cheer for a President who is less likely to wreak havoc on the global stage and promote diplomacy and maybe help stabilize the global markets while he's at it... and that for me is Obama. Though I'm sure he'll be a heartbreaking letdown once he gets in!

2008-11-04 11:37:59

#7

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6906|132 and Bush

No it's not.

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2008-11-04 11:39:33

#8

Christbane: Member; +51|6540

nothing wrong with you supporting who you would like to see in office.

2008-11-04 11:39:37

#9

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6926|London, England

I wouldn't care so much if the UK didn't have such strong relations with the US. I'll admit, If we had to choose between becoming closer to the EU or the US, I'd choose the EU any day of the week. Obviously, you'd think it would be nice if things just went back to what they were (normal, none of this super-allies/single entity bullshit, just individual countries doing their thing) but it's not like that anymore.

Infact, it's just this "economic crisis" which has made me realise how much the world depends on the US, before it all just boiled down to foreign policy and how it matters who's in the White House for us, because we get dragged along fucking everywhere. But now I know that even the internal economic matters of the US affects us, so that's why I took a bigger interest in the election...

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2008-11-04 11:47:47

#10

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6595|Éire

CameronPoe wrote:
It's not wrong. Anybody can be interested in anything. And we live in a global world from a financial/capital perspective. If Obama gets into office the entire world will, at the very least temporarily, love the United States of America again. Now hopefully Obama, if he makes it into office, doesn't squander that goodwill, the same kind of goodwill that Bush destroyed so readily.

It's strange but it is true what you have said here; all the people I know outside of this forum that would be dismissed on here as "America haters" are watching this election with enthusiasm in the genuine hope that Obama will win... and they are really rooting for him. In the last two terms since 9/11 the US has, in my opinion, adopted a very Israeli style attitude - a siege mentality of "everyone's against us so fuck em all, we'll just do what we please to look out for ourselves" - and once you go too far down this road it can be very hard to come back in the eyes of the outside world. Obama, for many, represents a move back towards the Western nations talking to each other openly and on the same level again.

2008-11-04 11:47:56

#11

Minion: C:/DOS - C:/DOS/RUN - RUN/DOS/RUN; +54|6903|Newfoundland, Canada

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Infact, it's just this "economic crisis" which has made me realise how much the world depends on the US, before it all just boiled down to foreign policy and how it matters who's in the White House for us, because we get dragged along fucking everywhere. But now I know that even the internal economic matters of the US affects us, so that's why I took a bigger interest in the election...

That's the exact same thing that got me interested in the election.

If it was for a smaller country, or a country that really doesn't have an impact on the world or my own country, then I really wouldn't care who's elected in... But America is one of the most powerful countries in the world, and whatever happens in America does effect those who are in ties with them.

2008-11-04 11:49:28

#12

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

Braddock wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
It's not wrong. Anybody can be interested in anything. And we live in a global world from a financial/capital perspective. If Obama gets into office the entire world will, at the very least temporarily, love the United States of America again. Now hopefully Obama, if he makes it into office, doesn't squander that goodwill, the same kind of goodwill that Bush destroyed so readily.
It's strange but it is true what you have said here; all the people I know outside of this forum that would be dismissed on here as "America haters" are watching this election with enthusiasm in the genuine hope that Obama will win... and they are really rooting for him. In the last two terms since 9/11 the US has, in my opinion, adopted a very Israeli style attitude - a siege mentality of "everyone's against us so fuck em all, we'll just do what we please to look out for ourselves" - and once you go too far down this road it can be very hard to come back in the eyes of the outside world. Obama, for many, represents a move back towards the Western nations talking to each other openly and on the same level again.

There's only been one term since 9/11.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-04 11:51:38

#13

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6595|Éire

FEOS wrote:
Braddock wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
It's not wrong. Anybody can be interested in anything. And we live in a global world from a financial/capital perspective. If Obama gets into office the entire world will, at the very least temporarily, love the United States of America again. Now hopefully Obama, if he makes it into office, doesn't squander that goodwill, the same kind of goodwill that Bush destroyed so readily.
It's strange but it is true what you have said here; all the people I know outside of this forum that would be dismissed on here as "America haters" are watching this election with enthusiasm in the genuine hope that Obama will win... and they are really rooting for him. In the last two terms since 9/11 the US has, in my opinion, adopted a very Israeli style attitude - a siege mentality of "everyone's against us so fuck em all, we'll just do what we please to look out for ourselves" - and once you go too far down this road it can be very hard to come back in the eyes of the outside world. Obama, for many, represents a move back towards the Western nations talking to each other openly and on the same level again.
There's only been one term since 9/11.

The incumbent presidency during which 9/11 took place and the subsequent term is what I meant.

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2008-11-04 11:54:29

#14

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6873|Mountains of NC

eh do what you want ........... you can't vote so what does it matter

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2008-11-04 11:56:12

#15

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

Braddock wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Braddock wrote:
It's strange but it is true what you have said here; all the people I know outside of this forum that would be dismissed on here as "America haters" are watching this election with enthusiasm in the genuine hope that Obama will win... and they are really rooting for him. In the last two terms since 9/11 the US has, in my opinion, adopted a very Israeli style attitude - a siege mentality of "everyone's against us so fuck em all, we'll just do what we please to look out for ourselves" - and once you go too far down this road it can be very hard to come back in the eyes of the outside world. Obama, for many, represents a move back towards the Western nations talking to each other openly and on the same level again.
There's only been one term since 9/11.
The incumbent presidency during which 9/11 took place and the subsequent term is what I meant.

But that's not what you said.

nanner nanner nanner.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-04 11:58:32

#16

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7115|Nårvei

It's not wrong and neither is it silly just because you can't vote ... and what does it matter ? ... it matter because the outcome of this election is more important outside the US than you might think, so if non voters can help a voter to make up his mind who to vote for we actually have an impact on the US election however small that may be ...

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2008-11-04 12:06:39

#17

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6595|Éire

SEREMAKER wrote:
eh do what you want ........... you can't vote so what does it matter

Exactly.

For everyone outside of the US it is just an opinion... and anyone who wants to stop you from having an opinion can fuck right off!

2008-11-04 12:07:35

#18

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Infact, it's just this "economic crisis" which has made me realise how much the world depends on the US, before it all just boiled down to foreign policy and how it matters who's in the White House for us, because we get dragged along fucking everywhere. But now I know that even the internal economic matters of the US affects us, so that's why I took a bigger interest in the election...

Do you know why? Because much of the world publicly scolds and ridicules the US and their economic policies while secretly and willfully tying themselves to the same policies they claim to despise. .. shit, they do it with their foreign policy as well. Maybe they should be paying more attention to what their own public representatives are doing, who they are mingling with, and what they are committing to. Then they won't have to worry about who their next elected puppet is.

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2008-11-04 12:12:31

#19

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

Varegg wrote:
It's not wrong and neither is it silly just because you can't vote ... and what does it matter ? ... it matter because the outcome of this election is more important outside the US than you might think, so if non voters can help a voter to make up his mind who to vote for we actually have an impact on the US election however small that may be ...

Which is exactly the opposite of what the Founders wanted. Hence the requirement to be a natural-born citizen.

How would you feel if foreign populations started influencing the outcome of your elections to meet their own agendas? Many of your Euro brethren decry that very thing in multiple threads here. But I guess it's only wrong if the US is doing it, right?

Double standards ftl yet again.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-04 12:14:33

#20

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6926|London, England

There's no chance we're going to get the realistic chance of electing someone with some actual balls. The thing is, the Labour party are a left wing socialist/liberal party. Nobody fucking expected them to be such failures both economically and in terms of foreign policy (who would have thought they'd be such strong allies to a bunch of crazy American neo cons, I blame Tony Blair, he said he was a religious man, that was the connection, what a cunt he is)

I can't speak for other countries, but for the UK, we do have to worry about who is going to be the US president. Like I said, it'll be like that for a long time to come by the looks of it

2008-11-04 12:35:44

#21

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7115|Nårvei

FEOS wrote:
Varegg wrote:
It's not wrong and neither is it silly just because you can't vote ... and what does it matter ? ... it matter because the outcome of this election is more important outside the US than you might think, so if non voters can help a voter to make up his mind who to vote for we actually have an impact on the US election however small that may be ...
Which is exactly the opposite of what the Founders wanted. Hence the requirement to be a natural-born citizen.

How would you feel if foreign populations started influencing the outcome of your elections to meet their own agendas? Many of your Euro brethren decry that very thing in multiple threads here. But I guess it's only wrong if the US is doing it, right?

Double standards ftl yet again.

And who has the history of interfeering in elections again, please remind me and yourself FEOS ...

You are more than welcome to have your opinion about the Norwegian elections on this or any other forum September 2009 FEOS, where have i ever stated otherwise ?

Think you just shot your foot with that statement tbh

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2008-11-04 12:41:37

#22

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

Varegg wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Varegg wrote:
It's not wrong and neither is it silly just because you can't vote ... and what does it matter ? ... it matter because the outcome of this election is more important outside the US than you might think, so if non voters can help a voter to make up his mind who to vote for we actually have an impact on the US election however small that may be ...
Which is exactly the opposite of what the Founders wanted. Hence the requirement to be a natural-born citizen.

How would you feel if foreign populations started influencing the outcome of your elections to meet their own agendas? Many of your Euro brethren decry that very thing in multiple threads here. But I guess it's only wrong if the US is doing it, right?

Double standards ftl yet again.
And who has the history of interfeering in elections again, please remind me and yourself FEOS ...

You are more than welcome to have your opinion about the Norwegian elections on this or any other forum September 2009 FEOS, where have i ever stated otherwise ?

Think you just shot your foot with that statement tbh

No, I didn't. You (and others) decry US meddling in other countries, yet feel completely OK with yourselves meddling in our electoral process (see highlighted section of your original post). It's a double standard...and it's not at all surprising, unfortunately.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-04 12:50:26

#23

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7115|Nårvei

FEOS wrote:
Varegg wrote:
FEOS wrote:

Which is exactly the opposite of what the Founders wanted. Hence the requirement to be a natural-born citizen.

How would you feel if foreign populations started influencing the outcome of your elections to meet their own agendas? Many of your Euro brethren decry that very thing in multiple threads here. But I guess it's only wrong if the US is doing it, right?

Double standards ftl yet again.
And who has the history of interfeering in elections again, please remind me and yourself FEOS ...

You are more than welcome to have your opinion about the Norwegian elections on this or any other forum September 2009 FEOS, where have i ever stated otherwise ?

Think you just shot your foot with that statement tbh
No, I didn't. You (and others) decry US meddling in other countries, yet feel completely OK with yourselves meddling in our electoral process (see highlighted section of your original post). It's a double standard...and it's not at all surprising, unfortunately.

So seeing as we have an opinion on who to vote for you justify military intervention ?

So actually yes you did FEOS, don't you see there is a pretty big leap from what i and the likes of me does and what the US does ?

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2008-11-04 13:00:57

#24

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

Varegg wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Varegg wrote:

And who has the history of interfeering in elections again, please remind me and yourself FEOS ...

You are more than welcome to have your opinion about the Norwegian elections on this or any other forum September 2009 FEOS, where have i ever stated otherwise ?

Think you just shot your foot with that statement tbh
No, I didn't. You (and others) decry US meddling in other countries, yet feel completely OK with yourselves meddling in our electoral process (see highlighted section of your original post). It's a double standard...and it's not at all surprising, unfortunately.
So seeing as we have an opinion on who to vote for you justify military intervention ?

So actually yes you did FEOS, don't you see there is a pretty big leap from what i and the likes of me does and what the US does ?

Who said anything about military intervention? I was talking about meddling in other countries. That takes more forms than just military.

The intent is identical, so I see no difference. It's a double standard and you just don't like being called on it.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-04 13:04:55

#25

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7115|Nårvei

How is speaking my opinion on this forum meddling exactly ? ... and how is it a double standard ?

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