Not your personal politics...your nations as a whole...or your president and his politicians, you do know there is a finance crisis right now in the ENTIRE WORLD? You doo know that your wars effect the price of oil? I could go on...
It's like beating a dead horse here. Turquoise, if you are old enough to vote, I will bet the farm you are voting for the socialist.
Yes i do own iraq, owned it well as a matter of fact...
My finances are not in crisis, are yours?
Still at "war" and oil is going down...
Yes i do own iraq, owned it well as a matter of fact...
My finances are not in crisis, are yours?
Still at "war" and oil is going down...
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I guess we wondered a bit off topic here....sorry...
I still can´t see the evil in Obamas plan, it´s a good thing for what I understand. If you want your back covered, you need to cover other´s.
No my finances are fine soo far, but trust me, in time it will effect all of us.
It´s a small world, but bigger then the boundaries of USA.
I can´t beleive that words like "socialist" and "democrat" are bad words in america....theese "ugly" things has created the free world of today...and now adays it´s used as condescending words?
I still can´t see the evil in Obamas plan, it´s a good thing for what I understand. If you want your back covered, you need to cover other´s.
No my finances are fine soo far, but trust me, in time it will effect all of us.
It´s a small world, but bigger then the boundaries of USA.
I can´t beleive that words like "socialist" and "democrat" are bad words in america....theese "ugly" things has created the free world of today...and now adays it´s used as condescending words?
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I'm voting for Obama, but he's not a socialist. He's actually a moderate by European standards.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
It's like beating a dead horse here. Turquoise, if you are old enough to vote, I will bet the farm you are voting for the socialist.
Yes i do own iraq, owned it well as a matter of fact...
It may be true that Obama has a liberal voting record, but consider this... If the Democrats make the same mistakes they did in 1993 and 1994, then the Republicans will have another revolution in 2010.
So really, if Obama ends up being as bad as some of you assume, then he'll have to deal with a Republican Congress shortly afterwards.
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If you want your back covered, WORK HARD. Don't be a pile of dung and expect to get some of my tax money to rescue your worthless ass!
not you kadaffhi. Just saying how obamas plan works. I work my ass off and he spreads my wealth to some welfare case, or some ILLEGAL criminal.
not you kadaffhi. Just saying how obamas plan works. I work my ass off and he spreads my wealth to some welfare case, or some ILLEGAL criminal.
This ain't europe turquoise, their standards do not apply. He is a socialist, he wants to take from the largest tax base (the middle class) and spread that to the piles of shit that won't accept responsibility for their actions, and will wait until they get help from you bleeding heart liberals.
And yes it will happen as before, and it's not an assumption, it's track record. Vote for him, but accept the shit when it comes down.
And yes it will happen as before, and it's not an assumption, it's track record. Vote for him, but accept the shit when it comes down.
No offense taken karl.
Soo...when you have worked hard...and saved up alot at your bank, in stocks or whatever...and everything comes crashing down.
You loose your job because the stockmarket with it´s imaginary values of companies suddenly plumits to hell or you have somekind of accident that suddenly effects your possibilities to work, down to zero.
Who then will have your back? Here our taxes covers this, we have no need for personal inscurances or things like that, our system covers it, or most of it, I would be lying if I told you that our system had gotten better by the years, more the other way around.
But still the genreal idea is good, sometimes you can´t cover all possibilities or scenarios. This is when the wealhtfare should kick in, I understand that lots of people abuse the system, but this is why you need new reforms and hard rules for it to work.
Soo...when you have worked hard...and saved up alot at your bank, in stocks or whatever...and everything comes crashing down.
You loose your job because the stockmarket with it´s imaginary values of companies suddenly plumits to hell or you have somekind of accident that suddenly effects your possibilities to work, down to zero.
Who then will have your back? Here our taxes covers this, we have no need for personal inscurances or things like that, our system covers it, or most of it, I would be lying if I told you that our system had gotten better by the years, more the other way around.
But still the genreal idea is good, sometimes you can´t cover all possibilities or scenarios. This is when the wealhtfare should kick in, I understand that lots of people abuse the system, but this is why you need new reforms and hard rules for it to work.
A certain level of welfare is needed to prevent crime. That requires a certain amount of taxation. Shifting more of the tax burden on the ultra rich isn't a problem in my book.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
If you want your back covered, WORK HARD. Don't be a pile of dung and expect to get some of my tax money to rescue your worthless ass!
not you kadaffhi. Just saying how obamas plan works. I work my ass off and he spreads my wealth to some welfare case, or some ILLEGAL criminal.
And before you mention the supply side economics bit, consider the fact that we currently have some of the lowest income taxes on the rich in the First World. Lowering or raising income taxes on the ultra rich by 5% from our current levels has very little effect on the business cycle compared to what effects it would have in other countries with higher taxes due to the principle of diminishing returns.
By contrast, lowering taxation on the middle class would have a much greater effect on consumption habits, which would help lessen the economic downturn we're currently facing.
In short, most of the rebuttals of Obama's economics involve rich people bitching while they continue to have lower income taxes than basically all of the rest of the First World.
...and if you don't help them, they will rob you.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
This ain't europe turquoise, their standards do not apply. He is a socialist, he wants to take from the largest tax base (the middle class) and spread that to the piles of shit that won't accept responsibility for their actions, and will wait until they get help from you bleeding heart liberals.
And yes it will happen as before, and it's not an assumption, it's track record. Vote for him, but accept the shit when it comes down.
Look, I don't like deadbeats anymore than you, but I do like maintaining a certain amount of order. You have to help the poor a certain amount or they will take desperate measures.
May I add that the middle class in USA are in most nations considered as the upper class comparing to their values?
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Yes and no... If you're looking at straight disposable income, you are correct.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
May I add that the middle class in USA are in most nations considered as the upper class comparing to their values?
If you're figuring in the differences between what our system covers and what yours does, then our measurements are actually parallel in the divisions between our classes.
Our social programs are far less comprehensive than those of most of Western Europe. For example, we don't have a socialized healthcare system (yet anyway). So, in order to accurately compare our class divisions, we must deduct private medical expenses from our disposable income to match the taxation Europeans pay for it.
What an ignorant post. I'll talk and post about whatever the fuck I feel like talking and posting and you can shove it up your ass for all I care. Perhaps when your country turns into an isolationist inward looking nation that doesn't do things like invading other countries for oil perhaps I'll stop paying attention to it. Not really au fait with the fact that the global economy is exactly that: global and interdependent? Go back to sleep. Frankly I don't actually care about US domestic policy - I've mostly been having a generalised discussion about economics and taxation.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
He is not president yet, so it is a PROPOSED tax cut. And yea a tax cut benefits only the taxed, BUT, he is a democrap, so the taxes he will impose upon the working class will benefit the pieces of shit that the democraps love to help. Again my point; WHY DO THOSE OF YOU THAT DO NOT LIVE HERE, INSIST UPON TRYING TO INVOLVE YOURSELVES IN OUR POLITICS? Take care of your own ass first before trying to wipe ours. Once you have a utopia, then your opinion might matter.
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I'll be honest - I'm not familiar with the details of Obama's actual manifesto. And I take your point that politicians do not always do what they promise.imortal wrote:
Careful about assumptions... American politicians love to use familiar terms in new ways. His 'tax credit' ideas were very far from tax credits of past years. His ideas of 'tax credits' were bonuses of money given to college students or fathers of unwed children. Tax credits are creally supposed to be just that: credits. They were assessed against the tax debt owed by a family, but only until balance. They were never supposed to convert to real money or some form of refund. But 'tax credit' sounds better. Oh, and Obama is not giving anything. He is promising. He would not be the first candidate to promise anything he has to in order to win, and he would not be the first to break those promises once he gets there.
What I would perceive him as proposing is a period of trickle up economics as opposed to trickle down economics in order to try and kickstart the economy. As the disposable income of the masses dwindles those with all the capital are not going to be able to multiply their capital. His proposal may stimulate demand for produce, the money spent on which goes straight back into the hands of those he is supposedly penalising. I think it might be worth a try because the status quo certainly isn't working.imortal wrote:
Also, my post was to address the entire system of entitlement spending here in the US. It is just that Obama sounds (to me) like he not only wants to continue it, but to actually increase it. Besides, I am right in the middle of the money bracket Obama says he wants to help. I am more concerned about what will happen on the other side of the ledger.
You say taxation is not all burden and no gain. But Obama promises that the low income masses will do nothing but gain, and the few rich (who you should hate ad despise for taking your money anyway) will foot the bill. It is a base appeal to buy votes without regard to the possible affects.
So I guess you would have been happy to starve to death during the depression where the chances of you finding gainful employment for some 5 years or more would have been miniscule? In the bad times your fellow Americans should just starve to death? For a nation with the term 'United' in it you certainly don't seem that way inclined...imortal wrote:
It is my responsibility to make myself as employable as possible. To make employers want me. It is my responsibility to my family to provide the very best living I can for them. If my job is lost through no fault of my own, I better have additional skills to make sure I can find a job in another field, or with another employer.
True Turquoise....
But your middle class can afford a much higher quallity of life in general even with thoose things in mind, well...depending on what you truly value in life I guess, atleast if we are talking about material things.
Let us just take a look at the gasprices....you pay...let´s say....3-4 dollars a gallon....which is aprox. 4 litres....here in Sweden one litre of gas is aprox. 1,5 - 2 dollars....which would make the price 8 dollars a gallon....and not to speak of the prices of cars...
And you are right, we do have a socialized healthcare system, but there are still some small fee´s that has to be payed for everything, the system only kicks in with 100% effect when the costs get higher, this is common in any kind of system designed in Sweden.
Middle class here can only afford one car...a smaller house with no swimmingpool and soo on...hehe
And aloha Cam....
Damn I wish I had payed more attention in the englishclasses....I feel I really can´t express myself good enough for a fine debate.
But your middle class can afford a much higher quallity of life in general even with thoose things in mind, well...depending on what you truly value in life I guess, atleast if we are talking about material things.
Let us just take a look at the gasprices....you pay...let´s say....3-4 dollars a gallon....which is aprox. 4 litres....here in Sweden one litre of gas is aprox. 1,5 - 2 dollars....which would make the price 8 dollars a gallon....and not to speak of the prices of cars...
And you are right, we do have a socialized healthcare system, but there are still some small fee´s that has to be payed for everything, the system only kicks in with 100% effect when the costs get higher, this is common in any kind of system designed in Sweden.
Middle class here can only afford one car...a smaller house with no swimmingpool and soo on...hehe
And aloha Cam....
Damn I wish I had payed more attention in the englishclasses....I feel I really can´t express myself good enough for a fine debate.
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Well, I'll put it this way... After having lived here for 29 years, I think materialism is vastly overrated. There are definitely perks to it which I still enjoy, but public amenities are more important in the long run.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
True Turquoise....
But your middle class can afford a much higher quallity of life in general even with thoose things in mind, well...depending on what you truly value in life I guess, atleast if we are talking about material things.
Let us just take a look at the gasprices....you pay...let´s say....3-4 dollars a gallon....which is aprox. 4 litres....here in Sweden one litre of gas is aprox. 1,5 - 2 dollars....which would make the price 8 dollars a gallon....and not to speak of the prices of cars...
And you are right, we do have a socialized healthcare system, but there are still some small fee´s that has to be payed for everything, the system only kicks in with 100% effect when the costs get higher, this is common in any kind of system designed in Sweden.
Middle class here can only afford one car...a smaller house with no swimmingpool and soo on...hehe
And aloha Cam....
Damn I wish I had payed more attention in the englishclasses....I feel I really can´t express myself good enough for a fine debate.
By the way, your English is fine... it's way better than my Swedish... lol
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I´m totaly with you... materialsm is very overrated, but all in all USA is the nation of luxury and abundance and most important of all, bad taste. ))))
Thank you, but I still wish it could have been good enough for really explaning my thoughts perfectly hehe....well perhaps that´s not possible after all.....(I blame drugs kids)
That´s what you get for beeing a modernday hippie, bad memory, strange haircuts and prisontime....=P
Thank you, but I still wish it could have been good enough for really explaning my thoughts perfectly hehe....well perhaps that´s not possible after all.....(I blame drugs kids)
That´s what you get for beeing a modernday hippie, bad memory, strange haircuts and prisontime....=P
1. Funny, how I work hard and pay my bills, and my mortgage, and I seem to be doing fine, regardless as to what the banks do. They next to me is in debt out of his ears, he no longer can afford his adjustable rate mortgage and all of a sudden he is not responsibile for it, it is "the mans" fault.CameronPoe wrote:
Fed lowers interest rates making money cheaper than it should be in order to maintain a sustainable level of economic growth. Complex financial instruments are created that hid debt - the ultimate impact of this is unnoticed by regulators ensuring that when the shit hits the fan it hits the fan about a million times harder than it might have done. Banks trade these instruments that all have a AAA rating stamped on them by incompetent companies like Standard & Poor. The cumulative effect of all these fuckups is that the inevitable financial crisis puts thousands of people out of business, hundreds of thousands of people out of paid employment and consequently unable to pay debts and mortgages they were ordinarily more than capable of paying off. All because of shit that happened on Wall St. and stupid government policy that incentivised lending to people that would not be able to pay their debts.lowing wrote:
1. Oh I see, so enlighten me then, tell me how the debt laiden American citizen wh owill not pay their bills has nothing to do with what has happened.I was disgusted you didn't give a shit about your fellow hard working countrymen. I didn't care about whether you cared for people in other countries. Hence the irrelevance of your comments.lowing wrote:
2. No Cam, I did not, I was proving a point when you were so disgusted that I said I did not give a shit about anyone else and their problems outside of my family I simply asked how much you cared yourself about my problems and you did not care. This is the end of portion of the discussion.Just not people who have lost their jobs because of Wall St. shit that will persist for at least 3 years and by most estimates 5 to 10 years.lowing wrote:
3. Nope not one bit. However you seem to think that I do not think govt. should help out anyone at all, eve nthough I have continuously stated my support for helpin those that can not help themselves, handicapped, children etc....I'm pretty sure 51% of America doesn't have dark skin or live in ghettos... The kind of people you claim to be complaining about amount to a maximum of about 4.4% (the level of unemployment in USA). In fact, seen as you have to bring your racism into it again, I can tell you that the level of unemployment among African-Americans is 9.2%. So a tenth of a minority grouping within the US is the basis for much of your ire. What a petty man.lowing wrote:
4. D oyoufind it difficult to imagine that Obama will be elected because he is black, and not because of the issues? Do you find it difficult to beleive that those that for him are doing so because they think a brother in the white house will save them and shower them with their s orichly deserved entitlement? It is not a delusion, what is at play is denial.
Are you scared you might lose your job because Obama won't bother invading any new countries or something? No goverment contracts makes lowing a sad boy?
By this I assume it is also "the mans" doing that I learned a trade and have carried a great job most of my career, perhaps I can also blame "the man" for my shitty decisions in life as well. Seems to work out best for liberals.
3. What do you mean? Do we not have unemployment benefits in this country anymore? When did we loose that? Oh I see, you mean help out to the point where we all have the same and not 1 person has any more or less than another. There has got to be a word for such an ideology.
4. I get it, I am racist for stating the fact that the black community is turning out in record numbers for 1 reason, t ovote for the black candidate. How very typical of you Cam, I expected nothing more than that.
For you to talk your line of bullshit Cam, your company better not have a single thing to do with, or get subsidized by your govt. This would make you a hypocrite.
First, I do not wear suits.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Soo when we all are well educated and have started buisnesses and makes a load of cash......who then will pick the cotton for your brand new suite Lowing??
Give US Your Poor...bla bla bla bla soo they can earn us moore money....
Second, throught out history there have always been people wh odid not care enough or were responsibile enough to do anything more than "just pick cotton" so I am not worried that the worlds population is all of a sudden giving birth to future astronauts.
So, you're saying that those people you depend on for your goods should live at the poverty line because they aren't educated or didn't have the same privileges you might have had?lowing wrote:
First, I do not wear suits.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Soo when we all are well educated and have started buisnesses and makes a load of cash......who then will pick the cotton for your brand new suite Lowing??
Give US Your Poor...bla bla bla bla soo they can earn us moore money....
Second, throught out history there have always been people wh odid not care enough or were responsibile enough to do anything more than "just pick cotton" so I am not worried that the worlds population is all of a sudden giving birth to future astronauts.
Lowing, a large part of why your thinking is flawed is that you seem to have a great amount of disdain for anyone who is poor. Not everyone is poor by choice. Life isn't as simple as "if you work hard, you succeed." Granted, working hard usually helps your chances of improving your life, but it's far from a guarantee.
As long as we have a system that depends on unskilled labor, the system should do what it can to help the poor. It doesn't mean letting them live completely off of the system, but a certain amount of aid should be given.
Not everyone picking cotton is doing it by the choice of their own. Everyone does not get the same opportunities or chances. And I bet most of them would like something else then that kind of living, people are not that lazy if possible they would rise from their knees. But for some to be rich as hell, others need to be poor as hell.....
Ignorant is telling me to shove it up my ass, son. Must have hit a nerve, I WIN! So cameronslow, where is the oil we invaded for? And if you don't care, quit talking about it, and generalized needs to be in a topic called economics, and taxation, for example, not a topic about a politician in OUR country. You have ALWAYS talked shit about the US and it's politics, so don't try to act innocent.CameronPoe wrote:
What an ignorant post. I'll talk and post about whatever the fuck I feel like talking and posting and you can shove it up your ass for all I care. Perhaps when your country turns into an isolationist inward looking nation that doesn't do things like invading other countries for oil perhaps I'll stop paying attention to it. Not really au fait with the fact that the global economy is exactly that: global and interdependent? Go back to sleep. Frankly I don't actually care about US domestic policy - I've mostly been having a generalised discussion about economics and taxation.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
He is not president yet, so it is a PROPOSED tax cut. And yea a tax cut benefits only the taxed, BUT, he is a democrap, so the taxes he will impose upon the working class will benefit the pieces of shit that the democraps love to help. Again my point; WHY DO THOSE OF YOU THAT DO NOT LIVE HERE, INSIST UPON TRYING TO INVOLVE YOURSELVES IN OUR POLITICS? Take care of your own ass first before trying to wipe ours. Once you have a utopia, then your opinion might matter.
I would love to see how you would have fared during the Great Depression. You probably would have killed yourself. It's all very well competing against a handful of people for a job but 30% of your nation? lollowing wrote:
1. Funny, how I work hard and pay my bills, and my mortgage, and I seem to be doing fine, regardless as to what the banks do. They next to me is in debt out of his ears, he no longer can afford his adjustable rate mortgage and all of a sudden he is not responsibile for it, it is "the mans" fault.
By this I assume it is also "the mans" doing that I learned a trade and have carried a great job most of my career, perhaps I can also blame "the man" for my shitty decisions in life as well. Seems to work out best for liberals.
Old, very old. You're ridiculous. Why must you make yourself look so ridiculous again and again and a-fucking-gain? "You mean ... [insert completely off-the-wall incorrect bullshit statement]". What is the fucking point in talking to you....lowing wrote:
3. What do you mean? Do we not have unemployment benefits in this country anymore? When did we loose that? Oh I see, you mean help out to the point where we all have the same and not 1 person has any more or less than another. There has got to be a word for such an ideology.
/facepalm
No it doesn't make me a hypocrite. It would be hypocritical if I worked for the government and held your views. I'm sure that at this stage you realise our views differ somewhat...lowing wrote:
4. I get it, I am racist for stating the fact that the black community is turning out in record numbers for 1 reason, t ovote for the black candidate. How very typical of you Cam, I expected nothing more than that.
For you to talk your line of bullshit Cam, your company better not have a single thing to do with, or get subsidized by your govt. This would make you a hypocrite.
As for your racism - catch all statements about all black people residing in America voting for Obama because they 'want handouts' is about as racist as it gets. No ifs no buts.
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Ignorant is telling people what they can or should be talking about. So I repeat - shove it up your ass.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
Ignorant is telling me to shove it up my ass, son. Must have hit a nerve, I WIN! So cameronslow, where is the oil we invaded for? And if you don't care, quit talking about it, and generalized needs to be in a topic called economics, and taxation, for example, not a topic about a politician in OUR country. You have ALWAYS talked shit about the US and it's politics, so don't try to act innocent.
The oil you invaded for is sitting under the bedrock of Iraq. Near Kirkuk, Mosul and Basra. It used to be nationalised but now it's a free for all. Perhaps you might get a clue about how DEBATES EVOLVE INTO WIDER DISCUSSIONS.
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Yeah yeah yeah, another "what if" post. Don't answer it because when you do there will be another "what if" right behind it and when you get "what if'ed" so tragically, he will be there saying, see I told ya so you NEED socialism and big govt. to run your life.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
No offense taken karl.
Soo...when you have worked hard...and saved up alot at your bank, in stocks or whatever...and everything comes crashing down.
You loose your job because the stockmarket with it´s imaginary values of companies suddenly plumits to hell or you have somekind of accident that suddenly effects your possibilities to work, down to zero.
Who then will have your back? Here our taxes covers this, we have no need for personal inscurances or things like that, our system covers it, or most of it, I would be lying if I told you that our system had gotten better by the years, more the other way around.
But still the genreal idea is good, sometimes you can´t cover all possibilities or scenarios. This is when the wealhtfare should kick in, I understand that lots of people abuse the system, but this is why you need new reforms and hard rules for it to work.
1. I dunno Cam, and I really do not care, I live in the here and now, I do not live in the 30's. You did hit a key phrase Cam, compitition! It is compititon that keeps quality people employed to do quality work, it is also compitition that keeps prices down. But I guess in your world of entitlement no one needs to compete, we would all fair equally as well, regardless.CameronPoe wrote:
I would love to see how you would have fared during the Great Depression. You probably would have killed yourself. It's all very well competing against a handful of people for a job but 30% of your nation? lollowing wrote:
1. Funny, how I work hard and pay my bills, and my mortgage, and I seem to be doing fine, regardless as to what the banks do. They next to me is in debt out of his ears, he no longer can afford his adjustable rate mortgage and all of a sudden he is not responsibile for it, it is "the mans" fault.
By this I assume it is also "the mans" doing that I learned a trade and have carried a great job most of my career, perhaps I can also blame "the man" for my shitty decisions in life as well. Seems to work out best for liberals.Old, very old. You're ridiculous. Why must you make yourself look so ridiculous again and again and a-fucking-gain? "You mean ... [insert completely off-the-wall incorrect bullshit statement]". What is the fucking point in talking to you....lowing wrote:
3. What do you mean? Do we not have unemployment benefits in this country anymore? When did we loose that? Oh I see, you mean help out to the point where we all have the same and not 1 person has any more or less than another. There has got to be a word for such an ideology.
/facepalmNo it doesn't make me a hypocrite. It would be hypocritical if I worked for the government and held your views. I'm sure that at this stage you realise our views differ somewhat...lowing wrote:
4. I get it, I am racist for stating the fact that the black community is turning out in record numbers for 1 reason, t ovote for the black candidate. How very typical of you Cam, I expected nothing more than that.
For you to talk your line of bullshit Cam, your company better not have a single thing to do with, or get subsidized by your govt. This would make you a hypocrite.
As for your racism - catch all statements about all black people residing in America voting for Obama because they 'want handouts' is about as racist as it gets. No ifs no buts.
3. rediculous hell, Obama has stated as much, "SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND". You know what a pain in the ass is? Your denial that everything you do not agree with is either, ignorant, or simply does not exist. You are one arrogant little Irishmen Cam.
4. I see, you basically you are saying that your company holds govt. contracts, Ooops. I am not a hypocrite Cam, my views have always supported our troops and their efforts in this war. Our view do differ somewhat Cam, I accept responsibility for my self and my actions, I expect to do this without govt. interference.
Ummmmmmmm Cam, I did not say that "all black people residing in America voting for Obama because they 'want handouts'" . I said the black community is turning out in record numbers to vote for the black candidate. Not because of issues but because he is black.
Remember your little lecture about exaggerations or "inserting something completely off the wall". Well, you are doing it you arrogant ass little cuss.