I know, it's great huh?lowing wrote:
Clinton had a Repulican congress to battle. An Obama administration will go unchecked by a Democratic congress.
Maybe finally a Democrat can bring about some real change this time.
Maybe finally a Democrat can bring about some real change this time.
If Obama ran Newegg...
bf2s_dude...
works hard all summer... week after week... getting up at 7 am everyday to work all day...
at the end of the summer... he has saved up enough to buy the hottest new graphics card... So he goes to the Newegg site and finds the NVidATI Turbo ultra card(500 bucks)... and clicks add to shopping cart... a window pops up and says... thank you for choosing this card but...we are changing your card selection to a fx5200(that should be ok for you we hope?) We will send out 4 more fx5200(100 bucks a piece) cards to other people across the country that didn't work all summer... I hope this makes you feel patriotic and thank you for shopping Newbama egg...
bf2s_dude...
works hard all summer... week after week... getting up at 7 am everyday to work all day...
at the end of the summer... he has saved up enough to buy the hottest new graphics card... So he goes to the Newegg site and finds the NVidATI Turbo ultra card(500 bucks)... and clicks add to shopping cart... a window pops up and says... thank you for choosing this card but...we are changing your card selection to a fx5200(that should be ok for you we hope?) We will send out 4 more fx5200(100 bucks a piece) cards to other people across the country that didn't work all summer... I hope this makes you feel patriotic and thank you for shopping Newbama egg...
Love is the answer
Well, the small government people are so inconsistent. They say they don't trust the government to handle our healthcare, but they trust it with the lives of people like Iraqis.lowing wrote:
........and yet everyone on here thinks what we need is MORE govt. in our lives with MORE govt. programs taking over for private enterprise.Turquoise wrote:
...which is why much of the world fears and hates us.Kmarion wrote:
Our government creates more problems than it fixes. That is the bottom line.
If the Republicans really stood for smaller government, they'd be against war.
Lowing thinks the poverty line begins once you can't afford a decent gfx card.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
If Obama ran Newegg...
bf2s_dude...
works hard all summer... week after week... getting up at 7 am everyday to work all day...
at the end of the summer... he has saved up enough to buy the hottest new graphics card... So he goes to the Newegg site and finds the NVidATI Turbo ultra card(500 bucks)... and clicks add to shopping cart... a window pops up and says... thank you for choosing this card but...we are changing your card selection to a fx5200(that should be ok for you we hope?) We will send out 4 more fx5200(100 bucks a piece) cards to other people across the country that didn't work all summer... I hope this makes you feel patriotic and thank you for shopping Newbama egg...
Well I guess you either aren't very intelligent or are very naive. And also completely unfamiliar with collateralized debt obligations, debt securitization, leveraging, the practices of Standard&Poor and Moodys and the impact the financial crisis will have on personally responsible individuals.lowing wrote:
2. Funny how our economic system "worked" to the point where the entire world seems to be dependant on it. The only thing wrong with our system is people paying their bills. Money they promised to pay. In turns companies owed the money could pay its bills. It starts with the consumer. Everything starts with the consumer. People buying widgets for what they are worth at the time is what builds and destroys companies.
Why do you harp on about the international aspect? We're talking about America here, pure and simple. Shift the goalposts if you want but it just destroys any pointfulness in the discussion. When we get a 'global taxation' system perhaps we can talk...lowing wrote:
Ok now that we have settled the fact that you really did not give a shit what happened to me when I lost my job, I feel better not really giving a fuck about what happens to you during an Obama administration.
Family first and foremost. The needy to me are those doing there bit, working hard and trying to make ends and pay their dues. Any questions?lowing wrote:
As far as your "greedy little man comment". I gotta disagree with you, as I have stated many times before, I am all for taxes and all for helping those in need. We merely differ on who the needy are. Also you will forgive me if I take care of my family first.
You don't understand capitalism. Period. Read some books. The goal here is not to create reliance but an attempt to stave off a systemic collapse caused by a myriad of complex factors. Did America become 'reliant' as a consequence of the Great Depression. NOPE.lowing wrote:
It is a give this and take that scenario Cam, when you take more from the people who actually grow companies they are going to make cuts somewhere, and those cuts will start at the lowest levels. Then more people will be screaming for Obama to save them. The only way to stimulate an economy is t ostimulategrowth in that economy, and you can not do that by creating a wellfare rely on the govt. existence.
That's not communism lowing. That's a quote from a particular person on a single isolated issue. Please try again. And if Obama was following that ethos I'd imagine he'd governmentalise all income, no?lowing wrote:
4. Tell me again how "Spread the wealth" Obama does not essentially say the same thing as " from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" Karl Marx.?
Clinton had a Repulican congress to battle. An Obama administration will go unchecked by a Democratic congress.
The analogy works Cam, just put the waiter in the place of the homeless guy and the customer in place of the waiter, and the rich paying the waiter.
The analogy is null and void because the bum is doing nothing and paying no taxes and so will not benefit in a reduction in his taxes. QED
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CamPoe...
"Family first and foremost. The needy to me are those doing there bit, working hard and trying to make ends and pay their dues. Any questions?"
you are a conservative... thank god... i was beginning to wonder...
"Family first and foremost. The needy to me are those doing there bit, working hard and trying to make ends and pay their dues. Any questions?"
you are a conservative... thank god... i was beginning to wonder...
Love is the answer
Some conservatives don't really care about those who are genuinely trying their utmost and don't seem to care about misfortune punishing those undeserving of punishment when measures might be taken to mitigate such things, everyone pulling through together and mutually benefiting from such actions in the medium term. They also don't understand that too large a gap between rich and poor will ultimately destroy the system, a 'healthy' sustainable gap being more appropriate. Ultimately when the poor are a vast majority they will outvote and overthrow the oligarchy. Some conservatives also place far too much trust in people whom they can't even elect: the owners of business and capital, all too ready to export their jobs to India and to reduce people to mere subsistence living in the interests of 'competition'.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
CamPoe...
"Family first and foremost. The needy to me are those doing there bit, working hard and trying to make ends and pay their dues. Any questions?"
you are a conservative... thank god... i was beginning to wonder...
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Conservatism has been well and truly corrupted. Once a very noble thing, not so any more.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Don't confuse conservatism with the Republican Party. They are not one and the same right now.Spark wrote:
Conservatism has been well and truly corrupted. Once a very noble thing, not so any more.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Don't worry, we're not confused.FEOS wrote:
Don't confuse conservatism with the Republican Party.
Conservatism in the US died a long time ago.
Fuck Israel
1. Not talking to you.Dilbert_X wrote:
Don't worry, we're not confused.FEOS wrote:
Don't confuse conservatism with the Republican Party.
Conservatism in the US died a long time ago.
2. No, it hasn't. It was marginalized in the GOP about 10 years ago.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Against war? Ya mean war that ended slavery, opression, genocide, fascism, and the nazis? Oh also lets not forget it war war that gained Irleland independence that is so richly enjoyed by all those who so happen to now, oppose warring.Turquoise wrote:
Well, the small government people are so inconsistent. They say they don't trust the government to handle our healthcare, but they trust it with the lives of people like Iraqis.lowing wrote:
........and yet everyone on here thinks what we need is MORE govt. in our lives with MORE govt. programs taking over for private enterprise.Turquoise wrote:
...which is why much of the world fears and hates us.
If the Republicans really stood for smaller government, they'd be against war.
Well, everyone is screaming about how broke they are, yet shit like that is flying off of the shelves.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Lowing thinks the poverty line begins once you can't afford a decent gfx card.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
If Obama ran Newegg...
bf2s_dude...
works hard all summer... week after week... getting up at 7 am everyday to work all day...
at the end of the summer... he has saved up enough to buy the hottest new graphics card... So he goes to the Newegg site and finds the NVidATI Turbo ultra card(500 bucks)... and clicks add to shopping cart... a window pops up and says... thank you for choosing this card but...we are changing your card selection to a fx5200(that should be ok for you we hope?) We will send out 4 more fx5200(100 bucks a piece) cards to other people across the country that didn't work all summer... I hope this makes you feel patriotic and thank you for shopping Newbama egg...
2. this "financial crisis" started in the housing market, where people bought shit they could not afford. Period.CameronPoe wrote:
Well I guess you either aren't very intelligent or are very naive. And also completely unfamiliar with collateralized debt obligations, debt securitization, leveraging, the practices of Standard&Poor and Moodys and the impact the financial crisis will have on personally responsible individuals.lowing wrote:
2. Funny how our economic system "worked" to the point where the entire world seems to be dependant on it. The only thing wrong with our system is people paying their bills. Money they promised to pay. In turns companies owed the money could pay its bills. It starts with the consumer. Everything starts with the consumer. People buying widgets for what they are worth at the time is what builds and destroys companies.Why do you harp on about the international aspect? We're talking about America here, pure and simple. Shift the goalposts if you want but it just destroys any pointfulness in the discussion. When we get a 'global taxation' system perhaps we can talk...lowing wrote:
Ok now that we have settled the fact that you really did not give a shit what happened to me when I lost my job, I feel better not really giving a fuck about what happens to you during an Obama administration.Family first and foremost. The needy to me are those doing there bit, working hard and trying to make ends and pay their dues. Any questions?lowing wrote:
As far as your "greedy little man comment". I gotta disagree with you, as I have stated many times before, I am all for taxes and all for helping those in need. We merely differ on who the needy are. Also you will forgive me if I take care of my family first.You don't understand capitalism. Period. Read some books. The goal here is not to create reliance but an attempt to stave off a systemic collapse caused by a myriad of complex factors. Did America become 'reliant' as a consequence of the Great Depression. NOPE.lowing wrote:
It is a give this and take that scenario Cam, when you take more from the people who actually grow companies they are going to make cuts somewhere, and those cuts will start at the lowest levels. Then more people will be screaming for Obama to save them. The only way to stimulate an economy is t ostimulategrowth in that economy, and you can not do that by creating a wellfare rely on the govt. existence.That's not communism lowing. That's a quote from a particular person on a single isolated issue. Please try again. And if Obama was following that ethos I'd imagine he'd governmentalise all income, no?lowing wrote:
4. Tell me again how "Spread the wealth" Obama does not essentially say the same thing as " from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" Karl Marx.?
Clinton had a Repulican congress to battle. An Obama administration will go unchecked by a Democratic congress.
The analogy works Cam, just put the waiter in the place of the homeless guy and the customer in place of the waiter, and the rich paying the waiter.
The analogy is null and void because the bum is doing nothing and paying no taxes and so will not benefit in a reduction in his taxes. QED
3. I do not harp on the "international aspect" remember I am the one who he did not give a fuck about the world economics and that my concern was what Obama was going to do to our country. You and other were the ones so upset and could not believe that I would say such things and used it as proof that I was greedy, and unfeeling toward people in general. get it right.
4. You are generalizing Cam, A no no, your idea that the poor are all just victims of "the man" and have nothing to do with their own situations is naive and lack intelligence. Any questions?
5. Nope, your ass is really trying to tell me that in a healthy economy, Obama WOULD NOT be trying to "spread the wealth". You are trying to tell me that this is his temporary fix for a temporary problem and that when it is resolved, everyone gets back what they earn and he will no longer want to implement a page from Karl Marx's "manifesto". Naive and lacks intelligence. The liberal agenda in America IS to create EXACTLY a reliance on govt. over self reliance. Govt. dependency is what liberals want. The more they have you under control the more power they extract.
haha, lollowing wrote:
Well, everyone is screaming about how broke they are, yet shit like that is flying off of the shelves.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Lowing thinks the poverty line begins once you can't afford a decent gfx card.
I know. Well not about a good card cause I donate my old ones, I don't understand how the poor could still need more... However, I am getting printed and photoed -then paying for a silencer tomorrow! Why? It's just a silencer. I digress, the point is though they are out of stock. USA Gun Rights FTW! 90 day wait FTL. If you have to wait 90 days to make your gun less annoyingly loud then that just tells me there's too much bureaucracy in government.TheAussieReaper wrote:
haha, lollowing wrote:
Well, everyone is screaming about how broke they are, yet shit like that is flying off of the shelves.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Lowing thinks the poverty line begins once you can't afford a decent gfx card.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Really it started when banks sold high risk/high stupidity loans and these were repackaged and sold-on to other banks as safe loans backed by the govt.2. this "financial crisis" started in the housing market, where people bought shit they could not afford. Period.
Banks need to be regulated, or their CEOs will find ever riskier ways of earning ever bigger bonuses.
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Fuck Israel
The banks approved the loans. The banks sold the high risk loans to other banks, and then financial institutions. The loans, collapse, who loses? The ones the banks sold to, and approved.
Who gets bailed out? The banks.
If you think it was the everyday home owner who made these stupid loans is at fault, your kidding yourself. The banks knew they would default, and then passed on that risk to cover their own asses.
Who gets bailed out? The banks.
If you think it was the everyday home owner who made these stupid loans is at fault, your kidding yourself. The banks knew they would default, and then passed on that risk to cover their own asses.
Was a brilliant idea for a scam tbh.TheAussieReaper wrote:
The banks approved the loans. The banks sold the high risk loans to other banks, and then financial institutions. The loans, collapse, who loses? The ones the banks sold to, and approved.
Who gets bailed out? The banks.
If you think it was the everyday home owner who made these stupid loans is at fault, your kidding yourself. The banks knew they would default, and then passed on that risk to cover their own asses.
Pity everybody jumped on board.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
I wonder if Obama will spread his campaign's wealth around, since he's got more money than he can spend between now and election day.
Somehow, I doubt it.
Somehow, I doubt it.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Spread it to the McCain camp so they can put out more negative ads?FEOS wrote:
I wonder if Obama will spread his campaign's wealth around, since he's got more money than he can spend between now and election day.
Somehow, I doubt it.
lol
Nope, it started when people BOUGHT "high risk/high stupidity loans" and then defaulted.Dilbert_X wrote:
Really it started when banks sold high risk/high stupidity loans and these were repackaged and sold-on to other banks as safe loans backed by the govt.2. this "financial crisis" started in the housing market, where people bought shit they could not afford. Period.
Banks need to be regulated, or their CEOs will find ever riskier ways of earning ever bigger bonuses.
Heh.CameronPoe wrote:
Did America become 'reliant' as a consequence of the Great Depression. NOPE.
Heh heh.
Ha ha ha.
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me being european I'd probably be having a huge bias on the american elections, but 'spreading the wealth' doesn't seem like such a bad idea as it's been going pretty ok over here.
not that Obama is all that nice, he promises way too much, undoubtfully atleast 70% of what he says won't be happening in his first term.
Not that I like McCain, on the contrary (but again, I'm biased)
this whole crisis started with the banks proposing redicoules loans and stupid people accepting them.
not that Obama is all that nice, he promises way too much, undoubtfully atleast 70% of what he says won't be happening in his first term.
Not that I like McCain, on the contrary (but again, I'm biased)
this whole crisis started with the banks proposing redicoules loans and stupid people accepting them.
inane little opines
See a lot of American Presidential ads in Australia, do you?TheAussieReaper wrote:
Spread it to the McCain camp so they can put out more negative ads?FEOS wrote:
I wonder if Obama will spread his campaign's wealth around, since he's got more money than he can spend between now and election day.
Somehow, I doubt it.
lol
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular