BF2S Forums Voter fraud; how it works and why.

imortal wrote:

So, what groups are well known for voter drives, especially drives in which homeless people and drug addicts (who hardly seem be people closely interested in political affairs) are registered to vote, and what party are they most commonly associated with?

topal63 wrote:

Please demonstrate your spurious statement with actual cases; numerous cases that is. And, while you're at demonstrate it is of epidemic proportions, that numerous thingy, that indicates a presidential election; this election; is actually being influenced.

WSJ wrote:

...Vote fraud is real and can affect elections. In 2001, the Palm Beach Post reported that more than 5,600 people who voted in Florida in the 2000 Presidential election had names and data that perfectly matched a statewide list of suspected felons who were barred from voting. Florida was decided by about 500 votes.

In 2003, the Indiana Supreme Court overturned the result of a mayor's race because of absentee ballot fraud -- a case that led to a stricter Indiana ID law recently upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. A 2005 Tennessee state Senate race was voided after evidence of voting by felons, nonresidents and the deceased. A Washington State Superior Court judge found that the state's 2004 gubernatorial race, which Democrat Christine Gregoire won by 133 votes, had included at least 1,678 illegal votes.

bloomberg wrote:

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is drawing intensifying fire in the final days of the presidential campaign. ACORN, as the group is known, is ostensibly involved in the commendable job of registering voters.

The problem is, it has been caught numerous times registering people who either don't exist or aren't eligible to vote. The misdeeds have been widespread. ACORN members in Colorado, Washington, Wisconsin and Missouri have been convicted of voter registration fraud, and investigations are open in Nevada, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana.

Many counties have reported that registration cards submitted by ACORN -- an organization that advocates for liberal causes such as higher minimum wages and unionizing efforts -- and its affiliates contain more errors than any other voter- registration group. Election officials in several states have said at least 20 percent of ACORN registration forms are faulty.

ACORN's defenders have said that the actions of overzealous ACORN workers to register Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck won't influence the election because ``Mickey'' will never vote. For example, Politico.com's Ben Smith earlier this month argued that ``the key distinction here is between voter fraud and voter registration fraud, one of which is truly dangerous, the other a petty crime.'' ...

...Investigators later found that 160 voters had been illegally registered during the election, and many of the illegitimate ballots were sent to the tavern. The bar owner was fined $7,000 for the offense, according to the Las Vegas Review Journal. ...

public record wrote:

More than one million residents of Ohio intend to vote in next week’s presidential election via absentee ballot, an unprecedented number that will likely result in historic voter turnout in the battleground state, according to Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.

Brunner said she expects more than six million Ohioans to vote on Nov. 4, about 80 percent, and absentee ballots are expected to represent one-third of total voter turnout. Thus far, absentee ballots represent about 22.5 percent of voters.

She said the campaign between Senators Barack Obama and John McCain is the first presidential election “where any voter can request an absentee ballot without a reason, a process commonly referred to as “no fault” absentee voting.”

Voting by absentee ballot is seen as a way of ensuring votes are counted, although there are numerous cases where absentee ballots have disappeared or were purged.

Yes! weekly wrote:

When Ethel Ellis Johnson, a 68-year-old resident of the Rankin School Place apartments, turned up at White Oak Grove Baptist Church to vote in the May 6 primary election, poll workers redirected her to the polling place at Rankin Elementary because she had moved in the summer of 2005. The last time Johnson, an Obama supporter, had voted was in 1992, when she cast her ballot for Democrat Bill Clinton, and she had not changed her voter information at the time of the 2008 primary.

Greensboro police Detective Tom Lippa recalled later that when Johnson presented herself at the Rankin Elementary polling place she was upset that poll workers wanted her to vote on a provisional paper ballot. Guilford County Deputy Election Director Charlie Collicutt said Johnson was entitled to cast her vote on an electronic voting machine, like all other registered voters who lived in that precinct. So Johnson voted on a machine, in which the ballots cast are not retrievable.

And then — if two Authorization To Vote, or ATV forms on file at the Guilford County Board of Elections are to be believed — Johnson voted a second time at the same polling place on the same day. The names and dates of birth on the two ATVs are exactly the same and Johnson’s signatures appear to be identical, but different poll workers initialed the forms and the two sequence numbers, 196 and 412, indicate that more than 200 voters passed through the line between Johnson’s two visits.

san4 wrote:

imortal wrote:

So, what groups are well known for voter drives, especially drives in which homeless people and drug addicts (who hardly seem be people closely interested in political affairs) are registered to vote, and what party are they most commonly associated with?

Encouraging homeless people and drug addicts to vote is obviously not fraud. This a revealing error in the OP.

imortal wrote:

By the way, do you actually practice being condensending, or is it a natural gift?

Pug wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Please demonstrate how ACORN, who is required by law to turn on all collected registrations, committed voter fraud. Known registration problems is not voter fraud. The low paying job (registering people) - has resulted in a easily to deal with problem. And ACORN has a system to deal with it: when people don't actually bother doing there job.

So, some sleazeball lowlife with no integrity goes to a phone book and copies it down and then turns it in to ACORN, they are by law forced to accept it, then they separate them into piles. Those completely conspicuous registrations - already flagged as suspicious by ACORN - will end up with no one actually voting and committing voter fraud. If you think the whole team of the Dallas Cowboy or Mickey Mouse is actually showing up at polling booth and committing fraud, well, then you are believing in a myth...

Ok, before we start getting into a full blown discussion here...

...does voter fraud exist on both sides?

Yes or no?

Will it happen in this election?

yes or no?

Will it impact the election results?

yes or no?

And based on these answers...wtf are you guys going to argue about?

san4 wrote:

imortal wrote:

san4 wrote:

Encouraging homeless people and drug addicts to vote is obviously not fraud. This a revealing error in the OP.

Not a revealing error, just a difference of assumptions.

When you see a policital action comittee scouring people who one would not assume to be too connected to the community, filling out voter registration forms for them, and taking them to be turned in, you see someone doing a noble and selfless act to help that person find a voice in the political system.  I see someone trolling for an additional vote to turn in for their candidate.

So you think it's wrong for groups to go out and try to get votes for their candidate?

imortal wrote:

san4 wrote:

imortal wrote:

Not a revealing error, just a difference of assumptions.

When you see a policital action comittee scouring people who one would not assume to be too connected to the community, filling out voter registration forms for them, and taking them to be turned in, you see someone doing a noble and selfless act to help that person find a voice in the political system.  I see someone trolling for an additional vote to turn in for their candidate.

So you think it's wrong for groups to go out and try to get votes for their candidate?

To go out and try to convince others to vote hor your candidate is good.  To take their voter registration card and information to cast their vote for them for your candidate is bad.