Well just, like leave? Everyone knows its just an ongoing drag, so just gtfo there?
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Facts are inconvenient. You must stop using them.usmarine wrote:
A) How do you prepare for the aftermath? Do you think you can stop suicide bombers? Not without a soldier every 5 feet. You would need like 100 billion soldiers.Snake wrote:
That's funny, last time I checked, the invading countries created the problem in the first place by not preparing for the aftermath of the invasion. So yes, it is our problem, and yes, it is our responsibility.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
I bet some of them would like it if the US pulled out (just as some would not like it). Thing is, its their country, their problem. Not the problem of the US.
Our Governments are taking responsibility for our their actions, whether we like it or not.
B) Something people forget.......the US DID consult with iraqis about the aftermath. Less you forget there are tons living in the US and other countries since the first gulf war.
C) We tried to rebuild things in a timely matter, but other arabs (mostly not iraqi) keep blowing shit up. Who's fault is that again?
A) By thinking through as many eventual outcomes as possible and planning remedial actions for each potential eventuality. The US evidently believed the 'grateful' Iraqis would run lovingly into the arms of the invading troops. Someone should perhaps have explored eventualities other than the rose-tinted one.usmarine wrote:
A) How do you prepare for the aftermath? Do you think you can stop suicide bombers? Not without a soldier every 5 feet. You would need like 100 billion soldiers.
B) Something people forget.......the US DID consult with iraqis about the aftermath. Less you forget there are tons living in the US and other countries since the first gulf war.
C) We tried to rebuild things in a timely matter, but other arabs (mostly not iraqi) keep blowing shit up. Who's fault is that again?
You forced them to liberalise their oil market only allowing them exclusive rights to a certain number of oil fields. A veiled securing of their oil wealth...Turquoise wrote:
I still wonder why we haven't secured some of the oil wealth for ourselves. We really should.
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Good point... Well, I guess we know who really profits from this war.CameronPoe wrote:
You forced them to liberalise their oil market only allowing them exclusive rights to a certain number of oil fields. A veiled securing of their oil wealth...Turquoise wrote:
I still wonder why we haven't secured some of the oil wealth for ourselves. We really should.
The Iraqis have exclusive rights to each and every oil field in their country.CameronPoe wrote:
You forced them to liberalise their oil market only allowing them exclusive rights to a certain number of oil fields. A veiled securing of their oil wealth...Turquoise wrote:
I still wonder why we haven't secured some of the oil wealth for ourselves. We really should.
A) ya, thats what we beleived. shut the hell up. i was there for the invasion, i know what we were told. good god put down the bbc and stop spreading your filth.CameronPoe wrote:
A) By thinking through as many eventual outcomes as possible and planning remedial actions for each potential eventuality. The US evidently believed the 'grateful' Iraqis would run lovingly into the arms of the invading troops. Someone should perhaps have explored eventualities other than the rose-tinted one.usmarine wrote:
A) How do you prepare for the aftermath? Do you think you can stop suicide bombers? Not without a soldier every 5 feet. You would need like 100 billion soldiers.
B) Something people forget.......the US DID consult with iraqis about the aftermath. Less you forget there are tons living in the US and other countries since the first gulf war.
C) We tried to rebuild things in a timely matter, but other arabs (mostly not iraqi) keep blowing shit up. Who's fault is that again?
B) Ah, because Iraqis living in the US would be directly impacted by the US invasion and didn't have any ulterior motives.... People like Ahmed Chalabi....
C) Oh so I geuss the Mehdi Army and disaffected Ba'athists are from the Czech Republic... Where is your statistical justification for the 'mostly not iraqi' claim?
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It must be exhausting to spend so much effort defending a failed policy authored by thieves and charlatans.usmarine wrote:
A) ya, thats what we beleived. shut the hell up. i was there for the invasion, i know what we were told. good god put down the bbc and stop spreading your filth.CameronPoe wrote:
A) By thinking through as many eventual outcomes as possible and planning remedial actions for each potential eventuality. The US evidently believed the 'grateful' Iraqis would run lovingly into the arms of the invading troops. Someone should perhaps have explored eventualities other than the rose-tinted one.usmarine wrote:
A) How do you prepare for the aftermath? Do you think you can stop suicide bombers? Not without a soldier every 5 feet. You would need like 100 billion soldiers.
B) Something people forget.......the US DID consult with iraqis about the aftermath. Less you forget there are tons living in the US and other countries since the first gulf war.
C) We tried to rebuild things in a timely matter, but other arabs (mostly not iraqi) keep blowing shit up. Who's fault is that again?
B) Ah, because Iraqis living in the US would be directly impacted by the US invasion and didn't have any ulterior motives.... People like Ahmed Chalabi....
C) Oh so I geuss the Mehdi Army and disaffected Ba'athists are from the Czech Republic... Where is your statistical justification for the 'mostly not iraqi' claim?
C) where have you been. fucking search because it has been shown many times.
go take pictures of something with your hardass pose or something.
erm...what?ATG wrote:
It must be exhausting to spend so much effort defending a failed policy authored by thieves and charlatans.
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are you awake?PureFodder wrote:
It's their country. Have a national vote in Iraq and let them decide when we leave. Give them some of that democracy thing we promised them.
No we aren't.usmarine wrote:
are you awake?PureFodder wrote:
It's their country. Have a national vote in Iraq and let them decide when we leave. Give them some of that democracy thing we promised them.
we are doing that.
That's not the way representative government works. The Iraqi government is working out the details of the SOFA. It's up to them, not us.PureFodder wrote:
No we aren't.usmarine wrote:
are you awake?PureFodder wrote:
It's their country. Have a national vote in Iraq and let them decide when we leave. Give them some of that democracy thing we promised them.
we are doing that.
There hasn't been a referendum to allow the Iraqi people to directly decide directly when we leave which we will be forced to go along with.
That's the right way to move forwards. Currently we're offering them various proposals which they keep on rejecting as they aren't what they want.
why should they have to fix what the americans did? that makes no sense man. americans fucked it all up for the iraqis. 655,000 more iraqis have died than wouldve if it was just saddam.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
I didn't mean nobody cares about the Armed Forces, I meant nobody cares about Iraq. Fuck 'em, let them fix themselves.(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
Dead Wrong. There are over 150,000 US Armed Forces members that I would love to see you say that to their face. We do care, you obviously dont so STFU. Fucking bitches.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Pack things up and leave. Let them to fuck themselves, nobody cares.
OP: The Iraqis will be asking us to pick up and leave the major security to their forces. Only a few places where we are actually the main force. Patience really is a virtue. Pray for patience, I dare you.
I don't know what you're smoking, but it's potent as hell.destruktion_6143 wrote:
655,000 more iraqis have died than wouldve if it was just saddam.
Its their country, let them defend it for themselves.PureFodder wrote:
It's their country. Have a national vote in Iraq and let them decide when we leave. Give them some of that democracy thing we promised them.
Only with a small number of Iraqis sympathetic to the idea of being US puppets, since rejected by the Iraqi people.B) Something people forget.......the US DID consult with iraqis about the aftermath. Less you forget there are tons living in the US and other countries since the first gulf war.
A) You were there in 2003? I thought you served in Gulf War I? 'Spreading my filth'? I made a simple statement of military planning fact. The kind of planning Sun Tzu had put into text some 2000+ years ago. I don't need any BBC to give me a grasp of logic and military forethought.usmarine wrote:
A) ya, thats what we beleived. shut the hell up. i was there for the invasion, i know what we were told. good god put down the bbc and stop spreading your filth.CameronPoe wrote:
A) By thinking through as many eventual outcomes as possible and planning remedial actions for each potential eventuality. The US evidently believed the 'grateful' Iraqis would run lovingly into the arms of the invading troops. Someone should perhaps have explored eventualities other than the rose-tinted one.usmarine wrote:
A) How do you prepare for the aftermath? Do you think you can stop suicide bombers? Not without a soldier every 5 feet. You would need like 100 billion soldiers.
B) Something people forget.......the US DID consult with iraqis about the aftermath. Less you forget there are tons living in the US and other countries since the first gulf war.
C) We tried to rebuild things in a timely matter, but other arabs (mostly not iraqi) keep blowing shit up. Who's fault is that again?
B) Ah, because Iraqis living in the US would be directly impacted by the US invasion and didn't have any ulterior motives.... People like Ahmed Chalabi....
C) Oh so I geuss the Mehdi Army and disaffected Ba'athists are from the Czech Republic... Where is your statistical justification for the 'mostly not iraqi' claim?
C) where have you been. fucking search because it has been shown many times.
go take pictures of something with your hardass pose or something.
lewlusmarine wrote:
A) What?
C) I don't care what you think.
The classic usmarine arguement.usmarine wrote:
A) What?
C) I don't care what you think.
no. THIS HAS BEEN COVERED WAY TOO MANY TIMES. So go back to JD little man.Mint Sauce wrote:
The classic usmarine arguement.usmarine wrote:
A) What?
C) I don't care what you think.