Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Rolling blackouts in Venezuela
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Despite having some of the world’s largest energy reserves, Venezuela is increasingly struggling to maintain basic electrical service, a growing challenge for leftist President Hugo Chavez.

    The OPEC nation has suffered three nationwide blackouts this year, and chronic power shortages have sparked protests from the western Andean highlands to San Felix, a city of mostly poor industrial workers in the sweltering south.

    Shoddy electrical service is now one of Venezuelans’ top concerns, according to a recent poll, and may be a factor in elections next month for governors and mayors in which Chavez allies are expected to lose key posts, in part on complaints of poor services.

    The problem suggests that Chavez, with his ambitious international alliances and promises to end capitalism, risks alienating supporters by failing to focus on basic issues like electricity, trash collection and law enforcement.
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Venezuela is a net energy exporter — or at least it was before Chavez nationalized its oil and electrical production and spent most of his attention on FARC and opposing the US on the international stage.  The electrical grid has fallen into disrepair and Chavez’ oil-burning electrical plants don’t generate enough to keep it stable.  Venezuelans now have to contend with third-world electrical production as well as Chavez’ aspirations to be a cut-rate Fidel Castro.

In fact, Chavez has taken a page from Castro in response to the electrical crisis.  Instead of spending the billions of dollars necessary to upgrade the grid and generate enough electricity for the entire nation, Chavez has built tiny microstations to provide service to small sectors of homes and businesses.  Castro did the same thing in Cuba, and Hugo has proved just as effective.  They generate too little electricity for too many consumers, which means they only ease the severity of the shortfall without doing anything to solve the underlying problem.

Chavez has something Castro does not — a fortune in oil revenues.  What happened to all the money?  Where has he put Venezuela’s money?  It certainly hasn’t gone to infrastructure.  It’s likely to be going straight into Chavez’ pocket, or perhaps to his friends in FARC, or to curry favor with Iran and Russia.

So far, Chavez seems intent on proving the failure of socialism.  He’s well on his way, but since the 20th century had been devoted to that particular lesson, it seems that the lights aren’t on in more than one sense in Venezuela regardless.
How is this possible? Why aren't they reinvesting their revenues into improving their grid?
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6926|London, England
Because they're idiots.

Shoddy electrical service is now one of Venezuelans’ top concerns, according to a recent poll, and may be a factor in elections next month for governors and mayors in which Chavez allies are expected to lose key posts, in part on complaints of poor services.
Idiots who should most likely be voted out if they're doing a bad enough job
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Idiots who should most likely be voted out if they're doing a bad enough job
I know the feeling..
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SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
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Chavez will just whip up something and blame the US for this.

@Mek: He will never be voted out, they have the elections rigged to holy hell.
CameronPoe
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I can tell you why. It takes 7 to 10 years to build transmission lines between optimisation planning, cost benefit analysis, public opposition, planning applications, appeals, legal battles, land access, environmental impact studies, human resources, scarce technical expertise, manufacturing lead times, tower erection, conductor stringing, etc. Most of the world - including both Ireland and the United States - are finding their transmission capacities increasingly squeezed year after year of continued load growth. In South Africa they have rolling blackouts around the peak demand period between 5 and 8pm everyday when necessary. The reason is not generation capacity - they have nuclear, coal and all manner of generation available - the reason is that the capacity of the lines has been bled to death. I would imagine Venezuela is suffering the exact same problem South Africa is having now and that Ireland, the US and everywhere else where it's impossible to build a fucking line will have in the very near future if we're unlucky.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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I thought that was one of the reasons they nationalized. Do you really think it's legal battles, planning apps, cost benefits analysis, etc.. in Venezuela? I'm sorry Cam but I find that funny. The lights are out and the populace is pissed. I spent a summer in Venezuela before they were nationalized. I can't remember any of those problems.

From the article.
Experts say Venezuela for years has skimped billions of dollars in electrical investments, leaving generation 20 percent below the level necessary for a stable power grid and increasing the risk of national outages. Officially Venezuela has a capacity of 22,500 megawatts for a population of 28 million people, but a sizeable proportion is not working, analysts say.
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CameronPoe
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Kmarion wrote:

I thought that was one of the reasons they nationalized. Do you really think it's legal battles, planning apps, cost benefits analysis, etc.. in Venezuela? I'm sorry Cam but I find that funny. The lights are out and the populace is pissed. I spent a summer in Venezuela before they were nationalized. I can't remember any of those problems.

From the article.
Experts say Venezuela for years has skimped billions of dollars in electrical investments, leaving generation 20 percent below the level necessary for a stable power grid and increasing the risk of national outages. Officially Venezuela has a capacity of 22,500 megawatts for a population of 28 million people, but a sizeable proportion is not working, analysts say.
It takes decades to build up a generation and transmission infrastructure that may well have been neglected for ages. I can't say for definite what the story is here but even if Hugo started spending on the transmission infrastructure the minute he entered office the chances are their network is still behind. I would love to know what kind of situation he inherited, in order to make a proper judgement.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-10-23 10:10:30)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I thought that was one of the reasons they nationalized. Do you really think it's legal battles, planning apps, cost benefits analysis, etc.. in Venezuela? I'm sorry Cam but I find that funny. The lights are out and the populace is pissed. I spent a summer in Venezuela before they were nationalized. I can't remember any of those problems.

From the article.
Experts say Venezuela for years has skimped billions of dollars in electrical investments, leaving generation 20 percent below the level necessary for a stable power grid and increasing the risk of national outages. Officially Venezuela has a capacity of 22,500 megawatts for a population of 28 million people, but a sizeable proportion is not working, analysts say.
It takes decades to build up a generation and transmission infrastructure that may well have been neglected for ages. I can't say for definite what the story is here but even if Hugo started spending on the transmission infrastructure the minute he entered office the chances are their network is still behind.
Perhaps. But it appears if he had invested properly the country would be in much better shape. It looks like the government is claiming that the latest wave of blackouts were a result of sabotage.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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CameronPoe wrote:

I can tell you why. It takes 7 to 10 years to build transmission lines between optimisation planning, cost benefit analysis, public opposition, planning applications, appeals, legal battles, land access, environmental impact studies, human resources, scarce technical expertise, manufacturing lead times, tower erection, conductor stringing, etc. Most of the world - including both Ireland and the United States - are finding their transmission capacities increasingly squeezed year after year of continued load growth. In South Africa they have rolling blackouts around the peak demand period between 5 and 8pm everyday when necessary. The reason is not generation capacity - they have nuclear, coal and all manner of generation available - the reason is that the capacity of the lines has been bled to death. I would imagine Venezuela is suffering the exact same problem South Africa is having now and that Ireland, the US and everywhere else where it's impossible to build a fucking line will have in the very near future if we're unlucky.
You're wrong. It's really easy and fast. I read that in a textbook in college.
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SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
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CameronPoe wrote:

I can tell you why. It takes 7 to 10 years to build transmission lines between optimisation planning, cost benefit analysis, public opposition, planning applications, appeals, legal battles, land access, environmental impact studies, human resources, scarce technical expertise, manufacturing lead times, tower erection, conductor stringing, etc. Most of the world - including both Ireland and the United States - are finding their transmission capacities increasingly squeezed year after year of continued load growth. In South Africa they have rolling blackouts around the peak demand period between 5 and 8pm everyday when necessary. The reason is not generation capacity - they have nuclear, coal and all manner of generation available - the reason is that the capacity of the lines has been bled to death. I would imagine Venezuela is suffering the exact same problem South Africa is having now and that Ireland, the US and everywhere else where it's impossible to build a fucking line will have in the very near future if we're unlucky.
But they didn't have these problems until they Nationalized. It is sounding like the typical communist folly of putting people in charge of a area they have no experience in that field and they take the proverbial fat cash.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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It's really hard to do when you don't invest capital.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
bad-man
now say you sorry
+34|6153|one windy city
"The devil came here yesterday and destroyed our power grid i can still smell the sulfur today."
God Save the Queen
Banned
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Chavez's rule will end up being a dark spot in venezuelan history.  He would rather spend money on guns from russia than improve his own nations infrastructure. This isnt isolated.  Venezuela is getting dilapidated.

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