BF2S Forums "I'm going to fire two employees if Obama wins"

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

It amazes me how many people here are rich or have super rich businesses. From what I've seen, only the rich are screwed over by Obamas policies. From what I know, most of America isn't rich.

It looks like most people here on bf2s are the rich kind of folk that would be better off under McCain than Obama.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Obama really doesn't care about those people.  In his eyes, they are all making too much money as it is and screwing "the less fortunate" over.

Pug wrote:

"I'm going to fire two employees if Obama wins.  I can't afford to have these people on staff if the tax increases.

steelie34 wrote:

Pug wrote:

"I'm going to fire two employees if Obama wins.  I can't afford to have these people on staff if the tax increases.

a doctor?  cant afford my ass... what he meant to say was he can't afford the gulfstream II, he'll have to settle for the gulfstream I instead, or that he can't give his son a french polynesian island for his birthday.  rich people's greed pisses me off.

oChaos.Haze wrote:

Then the doctors you play poker with are idiots.  Go to any hospital in the country and you will soon learn we already have nationalized health care.  You already pay for everyone who can't afford it, and have been doing so for years. 

Every person in the medical field that I know LOVES Obama.  Now maybe you play poker with private practice assdweebs who got into medicine for the money and the chicks, but out of the countless docs and nurses I know, every one of them is for Obama. 

And please tell me how the lower and middle classes would eventually be screwed over.  I'd love to see where in his plan he says, "Oh and let us not forget to tax the shit out of people who have no money."  This is such an irrational extrapolation.

I hope you at least take their money everytime you play, because they obviously aren't the brightest of the bunch, hence why they are in private practice in the first place.

CameronPoe wrote:

My heart bleeds for them....

Somebody has to pay the bill and those most capable of doing so should be the ones picking up the tab in a time of crisis - not those struggling to survive on the breadline. Tough but that´s the way it is. The problem at this current point in time is protecting those most in need - job creation is not on the books right now: we will see plummeting employment for quite some time and that will have not much to do with taxation and everything to do with the fucking mess on Wall Street. As such, spending on protecting those that lose their jobs until the market sorts itself out is priority number one imo.

Roc18 wrote:

Its just a bunch of rich guys whining. I doubt that doctor really cares about those 2 employees hes gonna fire, he just wants to protect his profits.

Last edited by Pug (2008-10-17 11:20:14)

OBAMA wrote:

Well, let's break down what she really means by a mandate. What's meant by a mandate is the government is forcing people to buy health insurance (via taxes). And so she's (Hillary) suggesting a parent is not going to buy health insurance for themselves if they can afford it.

Now my belief is that most parents will choose to get health care for themselves and we make it affordable. Here's the concern. If you haven't made it affordable, how are you going to enforce a mandate? I mean if a mandate was a solution, we could try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody buy a house.

The reason they don't buy a house is they don't have the money. And so our focus has been on reducing costs, making it available. I am confident that if people have a chance to buy high quality health care that is affordable, they will do so. And that's what our plan does. And nobody disputes that.

Parker wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

Parker wrote:

lol
how many doctors do you know that buy jets and islands?
i think you *might* be exaggerating a little bit....

Its from southpark dude.

Its just a bunch of rich guys whining. I doubt that doctor really cares about those 2 employees hes gonna fire, he just wants to protect his profits.

fucking right he wants to protect his profits!

he doesnt owe them shit except the paycheck for their work.

if they want more money they can go get an education or start their own business.

Pug wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

My heart bleeds for them....

Somebody has to pay the bill and those most capable of doing so should be the ones picking up the tab in a time of crisis - not those struggling to survive on the breadline. Tough but that´s the way it is. The problem at this current point in time is protecting those most in need - job creation is not on the books right now: we will see plummeting employment for quite some time and that will have not much to do with taxation and everything to do with the fucking mess on Wall Street. As such, spending on protecting those that lose their jobs until the market sorts itself out is priority number one imo.

Roc18 wrote:

Its just a bunch of rich guys whining. I doubt that doctor really cares about those 2 employees hes gonna fire, he just wants to protect his profits.

If you set up a system where people can make money based on a business decision, isn't that protecting your profits?  And unfortunately that's UnAmerican to do so?  That's backasswards.

I've provided an example on how the new economic policy will encourage businesses to increase unemployment in the short term.

For example:
Doctor pays $85k in taxes, his eight employees pay $15k each or $120k total.  Total collected = $205k.

Doctor fires two people.
Doctor pays $70k in taxes by reducing his income level, his six employees pay $12.5k each under lower taxes or $75k total.  Total collected = $145k.

There is no incentive for the doctor to grow his business as the take home will be less.

I am watching how Obama is addressing this issue, I haven't seen how it makes economic sense to do anything different unless we eliminate tax brackets and go with a different system altogether...which is a whole other can of worms.

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chittydog wrote:

That example makes no sense. You can't make a point by only showing a portion of the data. What's his initial income? By how much does he lower his income to pay $15K less in taxes. Why aren't you including the money he's saving from not paying two additional salaries to the staff that was fired?

This example is almost as bad as me saying I'm going to save a lot of money by selling my car. Hurray, no more gas charges, insurance, registration fees or car payments. Don't mention how there's almost no public transportation here in Texas and I'll have to walk 15 miles to work.