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ATG wrote:

And, finally, he has made such a disaster of the republican party that Obama will be catapulted into office in a Reaganesqe landslide

lowing wrote:

our economy is failing because people took on debt they can not, or probably had no intention on, paying back in the first place.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

our economy is failing because people took on debt they can not, or probably had no intention on, paying back in the first place.

You don't think the Banks are at fault also, they approved these loans. Isn't it their job to stop those people from doing something like that?

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Time to get real, our economy isn't failing because of Bush ( also he had nothing to do with that Katrina thing either) our economy is failing because people took on debt they can not, or probably had no intention on, paying back in the first place.

Or is it failing because banks irresponsibly allowed people to take on said debts and then took said debts, split them all up, repackaged them, and sold them on (which, correct me if I'm wrong, Bush had a hand in allowing to happen)?

FEOS wrote:

ATG wrote:

And, finally, he has made such a disaster of the republican party that Obama will be catapulted into office in a Reaganesqe landslide

Someone can't read polls and/or maps.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/nati … ?year=1980

lowing wrote:

ATG wrote:

gg Bush.

See? This is how those bastards tag team us.


Bush, pretending to be a fiscal conservative lead us into a socialist state of our financial affairs. He gave the presidency massive new powers after 9-11. Those do not expire when he leaves office.

And, finally, he has made such a disaster of the republican party that Obama will be catapulted into office in a Reaganesqe landslide and moreso;
he will have a mandate

The backlash against the republicans will also cost them seats in the house and senate and give Obama as many as 3-4 supreme court judges.



I go on record here; Obama the "uber-liberal" will use the " bush recession " to usher in a new and as yet unimagined police state and world events will make him the war time president of war time presidents.

pin-yin:shi shi zao ying xiong

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Time to get real, our economy isn't failing because of Bush ( also he had nothing to do with that Katrina thing either) our economy is failing because people took on debt they can not, or probably had no intention on, paying back in the first place.

lowing wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

our economy is failing because people took on debt they can not, or probably had no intention on, paying back in the first place.

You don't think the Banks are at fault also, they approved these loans. Isn't it their job to stop those people from doing something like that?

Nope, not primarily, besides it isn't just houses, people are in debt for the fucking shoes on their feet. In fact people are still paying off shoes that were worn out years ago. I blame people for taking on debt they can not afford.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

I will also add, who is to blame for applying for all of those 0% interest credit cards ( for 3 months) the people who sent them or the people who applied and used them?

IMO, both the people that sent them and the people that applied for them.

I thought you were all for responsibility, lowing? Or does responsibility not apply to corporations?


Anyhoo, re: CRA - it just so happens I've just read 'marines thread... hmm... interesting... and murky...

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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

IMO, both the people that sent them and the people that applied for them.

I thought you were all for responsibility, lowing? Or does responsibility not apply to corporations?


Anyhoo, re: CRA - it just so happens I've just read 'marines thread... hmm... interesting... and murky...

Who are you going to blame for the sale and debt of a car that someone does not need or ca nreally afford? The car salesmen or the person who bought the damn thing?

Again, both.

Yes, we are all individually responsible for the choices we make.

But, in the real world, some people are just idiots, or greedy, or not right in the head.


If a barman knows that a customer is planning to drive home, but keeps serving them alcohol, do they (the barman) share any responsibility if the customer then goes on to cause a death by DUI?

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Who are you going to blame for the sale and debt of a car that someone does not need or ca nreally afford? The car salesmen or the person who bought the damn thing?

Again, both.

Yes, we are all individually responsible for the choices we make.

But, in the real world, some people are just idiots, or greedy, or not right in the head.


If a barman knows that a customer is planning to drive home, but keeps serving them alcohol, do they (the barman) share any responsibility if the customer then goes on to cause a death by DUI?

I edited so read up:

To answer your question yes he assumes responsibility, he knows that when he opens a bar.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Again, both.

Yes, we are all individually responsible for the choices we make.

But, in the real world, some people are just idiots, or greedy, or not right in the head.


If a barman knows that a customer is planning to drive home, but keeps serving them alcohol, do they (the barman) share any responsibility if the customer then goes on to cause a death by DUI?

I edited so read up:

To answer your question yes he assumes responsibility, he knows that when he opens a bar.

I read up, it still doesn't change my position.

I don't know how it works in the states, but over here banks have a legal responsibility to not accept applications for debt that the customer can not afford.

But they still did (and, once the 'crisis' is over, will almost certainly continue to, do) so.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I read up, it still doesn't change my position.

I don't know how it works in the states, but over here banks have a legal responsibility to not accept applications for debt that the customer can not afford.

But they still did (and, once the 'crisis' is over, will almost certainly continue to, do) so.

Perhaps, but maybe the solution can be found in people not putting themselves in debt? Again who is responsible for a car sale, the salesmen or the consumer? If it gets repoed wh oare ys gunna blame the car salesmen or the consumer?

Obviously it depends on the specifics of individual cases, but, as a general rule, again, I say both parties share the responsibility.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Obviously it depends on the specifics of individual cases, but, as a general rule, again, I say both parties share the responsibility.

Then both parties should figure it themselves and leave me ( my tax dollars) out of it. The thing is and you are not wrong here, until people take blame for their own actions and stop pointing fingers at those that let them be stupid, this sort of thing will continue.

But, in the context of the discussion in hand, one of the responsible parties is the Government (for it is they that define the rules by which the banks operate), and the Government doesn't have any money of its own, it only has your tax-dollars, and no matter how much you wish it will, that ain't never going to change.