HeimdalX wrote:
DawidBuchwald wrote:
This is fun! Could you continue?
As for spawn-camping - yes it's not forbidden, but tell me: what is the game about? Fun or points? Spawn-camping is no fun. For both sides. I've done it once, and fuck me, I wasn't proud of myself. It was like shooting ducks. No challenge.
Give me one reason for two M1A2s to stand 50m away from the last flag, not capturing it, for ten minutes? If it's not stats-padding (forbidden by ROE), than, fuck, what is?
Maybe you should state in your server's message: "This is the official server of clan XYZ, the best asskickers on the planet. If you come in here, be prepared - we are simple retarded goats that will do anything to pad our stats!!!"? This would simplify things...
We don't camp uncappable spawns. Its a 24/7 karkand server... have you ever played karkand? What do people do on it? Spawn at the Hotel and try to get kills. Both sides do this. People camping cappable bases because the other team repeatedly spawns there is fine with me, hell spawn at square as AT or spec ops and kill the armor. Really isn't that hard to kill spawn camping armor, they're so busy camping people that spawn anyway. It only takes 1 jihad jeep and a couple of mines/at guys to prevent it in the future. On karkand only servers the gameplay is a lot different, I don't really like it as much as a regular karkand in a big map cycle type server... but hey theres a lot of servers that do it. Killing people so that your teammates can cap the flag is different, which spawn camping is alright... but on 24/7 karkand servers the type of people that join them try to get kills only, not flag caps. I think it's actually kind of sad that the USMC team can win on karkand without capping a single flag, based on kills alone. But other times if the USMC had capped a single flag and held it for 2 minutes the MEC would lose.
Same goes for a bunch of maps, ie sharqi, wake, etc. We can't tell people not to spawn camp cappable flags because it helps drop tickets and its an essential part of the game. It would be hard to moderate spawn camping on a 64 player karkand server, how would we kick every single person that did it in the first place? People would disconnect, and talk more shit than the guys we booted for forcing tk's, punishing accidentals, complaining about how we DON'T allow spawn camping, and breaking every other rule we have. The only thing that we state on our server that is spawn camping is allowed and if you don't like it do something about it(like spawning back further and taking out the armor). People absolutely refuse to do this and complain about it. What are these people spawning at hotel for? To get kills. Thats why everyone plays karkand, its a sad fact but its true. If you haven't ever played a 64 player 24/7 karkand server I suggest you try it and see what I'm talking about. I try to cap flags personally, but good luck getting more than 3 people to spawn on a flag you just capped even if its the MEC's factory, even then they usually just spawn there to get the armor... so then its like 10 vs 1(unless you have a full squad) trying to hold that flag and you'll soon lose it.
So how does this happen? 90% of a 64 player server simply trying to get kills and points... I don't like it but its a fact of the game. Thats why people play. Both sides of karkand do it, all the mec armor camping the hill from the east street by hotel and the usmc from the west street. How do you discern spawn camping in the first place? Medic whores reviving people in front of the enemy, enemy getting 2-3 kills because of it. Who's fault is that? The guy killing them or the guy reviving them so he could get 2 points per revive? Is that any worse than spawn killing? It is in my opinion.
And how did we gloat about we're the best clan ever in your statement? Because our rules are simply Don't tk. Don't force a tk. Don't cuss excessively. I actually believe one of our rules is no gloating, so that means no talking shit when you kill someone and be like HAHA YOU SUCK I KILLED YOU WITH A GRENADE I PWN BLAH BLAH. We kick people that repeatedly punish accidental tk's, we have a plugin that shows how many punishes/forgives people have... if they have 9 punishes and 0 forgives you know something is wrong there. Everyone hates people that do that and so do we, so we kick people like that, not for one punish like the guy is trying to make it sound like. Those rules are real nazi like huh. I'll bet you money you will not find a popular server that disallows spawn camping of any kind that is not absolutely geared towards the people that own it getting high scores, ie a clan booting people that kill them saying its spawn camping... that happens a lot and we don't do this but according to your statement we should.
Maybe I'm alone here, but when I'm in armor and I see enemy armor I shoot it, regardless. Other people run away from it so they can camp more, and I'm not limiting that statement to just spawn camping. The first job of armor is to take out enemy armor so your own team isn't raped by it.