deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6798|Connecticut

New York Times wrote:

PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 13 — William J. Barnes shot and partly paralyzed a Philadelphia police officer in 1966, and he served 20 years for it and related offenses.But last month, 41 years after the shooting, the district attorney filed new charges of murder after the officer, Walter T. Barclay Jr., died of an infection she says stems from the shooting. Mr. Barnes, now 71, was sent back to prison.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us/19 … lphia.html

How do we even know that the officer died because of the shooting? There seems to be a lot of speculation here on the cause of his death and it just seems to me if the courts thought he was rehabilitated enough to be released then he has paid for his crime. The guy is 71 now ffs.

This may have been discussed, I searched but didn't find anything.

Your Thoughts?
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CameronPoe
Member
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How on earth can someone die of an infection related to an injury sustained 42 years ago???
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6798|Connecticut

CameronPoe wrote:

How on earth can someone die of an infection related to an injury sustained 42 years ago???
Thats what I'm saying. Read further though, I guess the officer was in several car accidents as well over the years that contributed to his deteriorating health.
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oug
Calmer than you are.
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Tricky... It sounds kind of far fetched to blame the guy, but then again, we're in no position to judge this... The thing is, if the cop had died on the spot, would he have served more than 20 years?
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ATG
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+5,233|6834|Global Command
Cops have different levels of importance than us little people, in their own eyes.
God Save the Queen
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dude did his time.  thats bullshit.
AussieReaper
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You'd think that t double jeopardy laws would cover this, but he was convicted of attempted murder, and now will face the separate charge of murder.

I think he has served his time. A urinary tract infection four decades after the shooting is a bit much to pin on the guy imo.
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SealXo
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cops do what they want when they want.
Doctor Strangelove
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+1,758|6774
Sending a 71 year old man to prison for a crime he committed 42 years ago which he already served sentence for?

Jesus.
462nd NSP653
Devout Moderate, Empty Head.
+57|6989

TheAussieReaper wrote:

You'd think that t double jeopardy laws would cover this, but he was convicted of attempted murder, and now will face the separate charge of murder.

I think he has served his time. A urinary tract infection four decades after the shooting is a bit much to pin on the guy imo.
You're exactly right...they're not charging him with the same crime...that's what the double jeopardy law covers.

I also agree with oug...the article doesn't present all the facts that the prosecutor (and now judge and jury) will see.  However, at face value I think this guy got a raw deal.

Sorry ATG, not all cops think they are more important than the rest of us...I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt first and let them (on an individual basis) prove me wrong.  Many I know do the job the right way.
ATG
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462nd NSP653 wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

You'd think that t double jeopardy laws would cover this, but he was convicted of attempted murder, and now will face the separate charge of murder.

I think he has served his time. A urinary tract infection four decades after the shooting is a bit much to pin on the guy imo.
You're exactly right...they're not charging him with the same crime...that's what the double jeopardy law covers.

I also agree with oug...the article doesn't present all the facts that the prosecutor (and now judge and jury) will see.  However, at face value I think this guy got a raw deal.

Sorry ATG, not all cops think they are more important than the rest of us...I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt first and let them (on an individual basis) prove me wrong.  Many I know do the job the right way.
mmmkay.

i.e.

Cops serving a warrant go to the wrong house and murder  a grandmother, they are immune from liability via federal and state law.

Guy gets convicted of attempted murder of a cop 40 years ago. The cop dies and there is a slender thread of a chance the two issues are related and the grandfather goes to jail.


Cops in California get special non-tracable license plates and they use these to escape Toll Road fees.
I could go on, but why?

It's obvious that these guys are above the law and serve their own interests first and the public second.


Where were  the local police when New Orleans was flooding?
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6952
So he's been out of prison for 21 years and now he's going back?

I don't have much sympathy for attempted murderers but thats messed up. Sounds an awful lot like when you have bump into someone on the road and they try to blame you for every scratch on their car.
462nd NSP653
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+57|6989

ATG wrote:

462nd NSP653 wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

You'd think that t double jeopardy laws would cover this, but he was convicted of attempted murder, and now will face the separate charge of murder.

I think he has served his time. A urinary tract infection four decades after the shooting is a bit much to pin on the guy imo.
You're exactly right...they're not charging him with the same crime...that's what the double jeopardy law covers.

I also agree with oug...the article doesn't present all the facts that the prosecutor (and now judge and jury) will see.  However, at face value I think this guy got a raw deal.

Sorry ATG, not all cops think they are more important than the rest of us...I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt first and let them (on an individual basis) prove me wrong.  Many I know do the job the right way.
mmmkay.

i.e.

Cops serving a warrant go to the wrong house and murder  a grandmother, they are immune from liability via federal and state law.

Guy gets convicted of attempted murder of a cop 40 years ago. The cop dies and there is a slender thread of a chance the two issues are related and the grandfather goes to jail.


Cops in California get special non-tracable license plates and they use these to escape Toll Road fees.
I could go on, but why?

It's obvious that these guys are above the law and serve their own interests first and the public second.


Where were  the local police when New Orleans was flooding?
Individual incidents...much like 19 year olds killing innocent non-combatants.  I don't judge those whose place I'm not in but once the facts have been sorted out and presented...I do hold them accountable. 

And so as to not have to counter every 'bad' story with a 'good'...http://www.behindthebadge.net/truelife/index.html

I just think your generalization is unfair.  You may not agree but being a 'vicitim' of one of those 'rogue' cops prejudiced me for YEARS.  But events unfolded later in my life that made me realize that I couldn't judge all these people by the actions of those idiots earlier.

Your opinion and your entitled to it...I just don't share it.

Last edited by 462nd NSP653 (2008-09-28 10:14:14)

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+133|6602|Bloomington Indiana

CameronPoe wrote:

How on earth can someone die of an infection related to an injury sustained 42 years ago???
happened to guys from the american civil war all the time......
granted health practices were QUITE different.


but yeah, this decision is utter crap.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6300|Truthistan
This is from September 2007????
What happened in the case, did the DA get disbarred? she really didn't know her ass from a hole in the ground if she thought that it wasn't double jeopardy. its te same set of facts and circumstances that lead to a conviction, can't be tried twice for the same crime. otherwise a DA could plea bargain a lower charge and then turn around an try you again for the more serious charge. ROFL DA is incompetent and had an old man put in jail = disbarred.
Locoloki
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+216|6945|Your moms bedroom
I thought you couldnt be tried for the same crime twice.. double jeapordy? True the first crime was probably assault with deadly intent, but god damn, the dude didnt die in a coma caused by the shooting.

I hope someone loses their bar for this shit, fucking crazy. I read the article and he died from a UTI infection, but since his release from the hospital he has been in not one, but two car accidents. Lets charge the driver of the accident or the dumbshit that let him fall out of his wheelchair for the murder and see how those DA know it all pricks react.

Last edited by Locoloki (2008-09-28 14:07:51)

zeidmaan
Member
+234|6720|Vienna

maybe the bullet was never removed from his body (sometimes is more dangerous to remove the bullet than leave it) and it eventually caused an infection?
ps. I didnt read the article tbh....
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6596|Éire
In Ireland I believe we have (or had possibly, it may been since abolished) a statute of limitations of 101 days in relation to murder. If memory serves me there was a case where a man was assaulted and went into a coma only to eventually die almost a year later. The death took place outside of the 101 days and so the attacker could only be charged for assault. I can't find a link to the case online but I remember it from when it was in the news (although it may been English news, not sure!).
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6798|Connecticut

Braddock wrote:

In Ireland I believe we have (or had possibly, it may been since abolished) a statute of limitations of 101 days in relation to murder. If memory serves me there was a case where a man was assaulted and went into a coma only to eventually die almost a year later. The death took place outside of the 101 days and so the attacker could only be charged for assault. I can't find a link to the case online but I remember it from when it was in the news (although it may been English news, not sure!).
It's called "A year and a day" over here. 366 Days, but not all states adhere to it. PA is is one of the states that doesn't follow it.
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oug
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ATG wrote:

Cops have different levels of importance than us little people, in their own eyes.

SealXo wrote:

cops do what they want when they want.
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