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lowing wrote:

You forgeot to tack on all of the Bush bashing threads that are still open Braddock.

Never realised bashing Bush for his OWN actions was the same as generalising an entire religion/race based on the actions of a few.

ATG wrote:

Vilham wrote:

ATG wrote:

Seems like half those thread listed in the OP are from perma banned authors.

I'd rather have my threads closed and me not banned, tbh.

Two of them are banned, and that doesn't answer the OP's point that there IS heavy bias and racism on this site.

Oh c'mon.
The bias is against childish behavior. Cams thread that got closed was rubbish in that it would have made a good post in a thread about Sarah Palin, but had little merit as a thread.

O comon, no its not. Or is massive generalisation of a religion or race not childish enough?

FEOS wrote:

No, they just have telethons to raise money for them.

And before you use the "you elected him (twice!)" argument...check the vote counts. It's not like he's been the most popular guy...he was just the lesser of two evils...twice.

Okay they have telethons, but I don't see how that is comparable to an election. You can not not give them money and they care. there is no second choice.

Yes, the you elected him argument is still valid. It's what you did. I know that only about a quarter of the american population that is allowed to vote voted for bush, but saying I didn't vote is no excuse. the only people who are excused are those who voted for other candidates.

If you've seen bush as the lesser evil after his first 4 years, I feel sorry for you (even though I have to admit that Kerry wasn't the best candidate either). That changes nothing on the fact that Bush is representing the American people. After all it's a representative democracy. It's even in the name.

I love how you bring up some totally different point that isn't related to the fact that the bashing of one person for his own actions whether congress approved or not is not the same as generalising an entire religion or race.

FEOS wrote:

mr.hrundi wrote:

FEOS wrote:

No, they just have telethons to raise money for them.

And before you use the "you elected him (twice!)" argument...check the vote counts. It's not like he's been the most popular guy...he was just the lesser of two evils...twice.

Okay they have telethons, but I don't see how that is comparable to an election. You can not not give them money and they care. there is no second choice.

Yes, the you elected him argument is still valid. It's what you did. I know that only about a quarter of the american population that is allowed to vote voted for bush, but saying I didn't vote is no excuse. the only people who are excused are those who voted for other candidates.

If you've seen bush as the lesser evil after his first 4 years, I feel sorry for you (even though I have to admit that Kerry wasn't the best candidate either). That changes nothing on the fact that Bush is representing the American people. After all it's a representative democracy. It's even in the name.

I guess I'll care about your opinion of the US President when I start to give a shit about your country's politics.

And if you knew nearly as much as you think you know about the US presidential races in 2000 and 2004...you would understand that Kerry was a far worse choice on nearly every issue of importance to the American public. See, we elect our leaders based on what is important to us...not what Europeans who don't live here think.

Fine, you don't have to give two shits about German politics, that's okay. If you elect the person that will represent your opinions (and not one person because you don't like the other), that's exactly what elections are there for.

But this still doesn't prove that bashing Bush and bashing Islam is the same thing.

Vilham wrote:

I love how you bring up some totally different point that isn't related to the fact that the bashing of one person for his own actions whether congress approved or not is not the same as generalising an entire religion or race.

Oh shit, I am sorry, I thought this thread was about Braddock bitching that CP's SARH PALIN thread was closed while Islam threads stayed open.

I had no idea SARAH PALIN was a religion or a race when I made the comparison to this one "single person thread" that remained open, to other "single person threads" that also remained open.

Vilham wrote:

lowing wrote:

Vilham wrote:

I love how you bring up some totally different point that isn't related to the fact that the bashing of one person for his own actions whether congress approved or not is not the same as generalising an entire religion or race.

Oh shit, I am sorry, I thought this thread was about Braddock bitching that CP's SARH PALIN thread was closed while Islam threads stayed open.

I had no idea SARAH PALIN was a religion or a race when I made the comparison to this one "single person thread" that remained open, to other "single person threads" that also remained open.

O I see... so you admit to not even reading the post that I quoted you replying to. gg lowing.

Bradocks who post was pointing to the fact that a SARAH PALIN thread got closed but racist threads remain open, to which you say "yeah but what about all the Bush bashing threads" as if bashing a single person is even comparable to bashing an entire race or religion.

Seriously, you are losing the plot.

Actually I mis-typed, the comparison was the closing of Sarah Palin, while the Bush threads remained opened both "single person threads".

Sorry, I do think bashing an individual PERSONALLY, is harsher than bashing the ideology of a religion or a race GENERALLY.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Actually I mis-typed, the comparison was the closing of Sarah Palin, while the Bush threads remained opened both "single person threads".

Sorry, I do think bashing an individual PERSONALLY, is harsher than bashing the ideology of a religion or a race GENERALLY.

I thought you were all about the individual, no? What was all that about personal responsibility and making the best of one's own situation that you so frequently pointed out in the past?

Individuals can be justifiably questioned over their own actions but to question an entire religion, race or group over the actions of an individual is not really justifiable or fair... it flies in the face of your supposed belief in personal responsibility.

I do believe in that, but you should not take PERSONALLY, comments made in general. If I want to say Islam is fucked up and they smell funny, is not harsher than saying a specific individual is fucked up and HE smells funny.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

I thought you were all about the individual, no? What was all that about personal responsibility and making the best of one's own situation that you so frequently pointed out in the past?

Individuals can be justifiably questioned over their own actions but to question an entire religion, race or group over the actions of an individual is not really justifiable or fair... it flies in the face of your supposed belief in personal responsibility.

I do believe in that, but you should not take PERSONALLY, comments made in general. If I want to say Islam is fucked up and they smell funny, is not harsher than saying a specific individual is fucked up and HE smells funny.

But that is where is racism and sectarianism comes from lowing. It is perfectly okay to say a black guy smells (if it's true and he actually does smell) but it's pure, blind racism to say "black guys smell". It would be like me saying you are fat and have no sense of geography just because I have met a good few fat Americans with no sense of geography in the past, that would not be fair on my part.

How can you deal purely with the individual in so many other threads only to now turn around and assess things in groups and demographics?

It depends on the topic.

If you want to talk about PERSONAL issues such as behavior, responsibility and such I can do that because I do not have 100,000 yard sticks to measure people. I have 1.

If you want to talk about social issues we can do that as well, the 2 can be discussed separately Braddock, without being contradictory.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

It depends on the topic.

If you want to talk about PERSONAL issues such as behavior, responsibility and such I can do that because I do not have 100,000 yard sticks to measure people. I have 1.

If you want to talk about social issues we can do that as well, the 2 can be discussed separately Braddock, without being contradictory.

Statistics and demographics are useful for assessing generalities and correlations when it comes to social issues - like being able to assess that the races most involved in crime also happen to be the races with the most poverty - this can be useful in pinpointing the root of certain social problems and sometimes offer suggestions for how they might be tackled. They are useful to a certain extent but they completely gloss over the many variables that exist from individual to individual. One should pay a certain heed to statistics and demographic studies but at the same time never forget to always judge a person on their own merits.

For some reason, you are preaching to the choir on this one.  I am not sure where you get the idea that I judge people otherwise.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Statistics and demographics are useful for assessing generalities and correlations when it comes to social issues - like being able to assess that the races most involved in crime also happen to be the races with the most poverty - this can be useful in pinpointing the root of certain social problems and sometimes offer suggestions for how they might be tackled. They are useful to a certain extent but they completely gloss over the many variables that exist from individual to individual. One should pay a certain heed to statistics and demographic studies but at the same time never forget to always judge a person on their own merits.

For some reason, you are preaching to the choir on this one.  I am not sure where you get the idea that I judge people otherwise.

Errrrr...

lowing wrote:

I do believe in that, but you should not take PERSONALLY, comments made in general. If I want to say Islam is fucked up and they smell funny, is not harsher than saying a specific individual is fucked up and HE smells funny.

...I know you are not saying that you believe it's right to judge entire groups with this statement but you seem to be implying that you prefer it to judging one person on a personal and individual level.

Make the distinction Braddock.........ISLAM is NOT a "group of people". It is a religion, a belief system, a culture, and I pretty much can do without it.

Muslims are a group of people and I judge each MUSLIM, or anyone else individually.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Make the distinction Braddock.........ISLAM is NOT a "group of people". It is a religion, a belief system, a culture, and I pretty much can do without it.

ISLAM is a religion but MUSLIMS are a group of people... and there is as much variation in terms of beliefs, opinions and attitudes among Muslims as there is in pretty much every other group of people... or are you saying that someone like m3thod is a carbon copy of your average Saudi Wahabist?

lowing wrote:

Muslims are a group of people and I judge each MUSLIM, or anyone else individually.

Well that's good... it means you won't be coming out with any comments like "all Muslims want to take over our countries and force us to submit to their culture, way of life and legal system".

Uhhhhhhhhhhh, wh oexactly are you quoting? Because it sure as hell is not me.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Uhhhhhhhhhhh, wh oexactly are you quoting? Because it sure as hell is not me.

He's quoting you, from the the exact post above his one, in this thread, on the page, 2 replies up, right here:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 1#p2321331

lowing wrote:

Make the distinction Braddock.........ISLAM is NOT a "group of people". It is a religion, a belief system, a culture, and I pretty much can do without it.

Muslims are a group of people and I judge each MUSLIM, or anyone else individually.

It sure as hell is you.

Aussie, I never said this--------------> "all Muslims want to take over our countries and force us to submit to their culture, way of life and legal system".