Through hindsight ..maybe, nobody really knew what he had at the time. I think it's still debatable, I'd like to know, since Obama trumpets his anti iraq war stance, what then was his plan was for Saddam's iraq. It's easy to say "i'm against it" and be done with the issue. Would he have just kept SH in power, and kept the no fly zones and sanctions in place indefinitely ? That status quo was killing a lot of people.Braddock wrote:
But if you're talking about who is to be trusted when it comes to military decisions McCain's support of the Iraq war lets him down in that department.Vax wrote:
Mccain rightfully pointed out "the next president will not be deciding whether to invade iraq"Braddock wrote:
Obama is trampling McCain on the Iraq war issue to be honest. McCain is reverting to two classic lines...
1. "I was in combat once and you weren't, so there..."
and
2. "America is great, our troops are brilliant, I love America etc. etc."
He can't get away from the facts that Obama is continually highlighting: Bad intel to begin with, miscalculation on WMD, miscalculation on Sunni, Shia violence and the starting of the Iraq war when Afghanistan wasn't finished with.
It's a moot point.
Obama is so proud he was against the war (like it was tough to be against, he didn't have to vote on it)
Oh lol, sorry. Anyways, McCain says that Putin has a tattoo that says KGB on his head. I've seen many photos of Putin and I haven't spotted that tattoo yet.san4 wrote:
I agree it's a serious question. I was just giving McCain's response to it.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
By "actually does" I refered to George Bush and by "has done" I refered to all previous presidents.san4 wrote:
Oh please.
Its an honest question dude.
Russian agression against Georgia?
Theres still people in the USA who believe that Russia started it?
Theres still people in the USA who believe that Russia started it?
because it is not a big deal to those of us who can actually vote.Poseidon wrote:
Your reaction to someone laughing at how McCain can't fucking SAY THE NAME OF SOMEONE who is the leader of a country in a country where McCain's policy and experience is supposed to be superior than Obama's is a joke.
Oh God, now we go on with the age issue. GTFO if that's what you're going to back up your statements with. "Oh, I can vote, I'm smarter. I know more about politics and instantly outrule you the minute you begin typing. Because I'm older."usmarine wrote:
because it is not a big deal to those of us who can actually vote.Poseidon wrote:
Your reaction to someone laughing at how McCain can't fucking SAY THE NAME OF SOMEONE who is the leader of a country in a country where McCain's policy and experience is supposed to be superior than Obama's is a joke.
Did I make a big deal out of it? No. I laughed. Get over yourself.
McCain comes off as a high school principal applying "obedience" on everyone, in this case "everyone" is Russia and Russia is powerful enough to not give a shit and say back to the US a clear fuck you.
I didn't see it yet. Any non childish commentary about what happened?
McCain is starting to remind me of an old man who bores you with his 'wild' tales...
"I knew Kissinger...", "When I was in combat...", "You're naive, I have experience...", "You don't know the difference between a tactic and a strategy...", "In my day..."
"I knew Kissinger...", "When I was in combat...", "You're naive, I have experience...", "You don't know the difference between a tactic and a strategy...", "In my day..."
Their feet are going to be killing them at the end of this.. D:
Or actually go out and vote?usmarine wrote:
because it is not a big deal to those of us who can actually vote.Poseidon wrote:
Your reaction to someone laughing at how McCain can't fucking SAY THE NAME OF SOMEONE who is the leader of a country in a country where McCain's policy and experience is supposed to be superior than Obama's is a joke.
whatever dude. what statements? people are human not robots. people stumble over words. fuck sakes man. its not worth bringing up at all.Poseidon wrote:
Oh God, now we go on with the age issue. GTFO if that's what you're going to back up your statements with. "Oh, I can vote, I'm smarter. I know more about politics and instantly outrule you the minute you begin typing. Because I'm older."usmarine wrote:
because it is not a big deal to those of us who can actually vote.Poseidon wrote:
Your reaction to someone laughing at how McCain can't fucking SAY THE NAME OF SOMEONE who is the leader of a country in a country where McCain's policy and experience is supposed to be superior than Obama's is a joke.
Did I make a big deal out of it? No. I laughed. Get over yourself.
A summary?jsnipy wrote:
I didn't see it yet. Any non childish commentary about what happened?
Obama started on the economy topic, meter went up. Then McCain came on and the meter went down.
Then came Iraq, and surprisingly enough, Obama spanked McCain.
Then Iran, and again Obama spanked (even though not as hard on Iraq) McCain.
And now Russia.
McCain must have a piss-bag under that pulpit.-=]V[-i-n-i-o-n=- wrote:
Their feet are going to be killing them at the end of this.. D:
I agree.usmarine wrote:
whatever dude. what statements? people are human not robots. people stumble over words. fuck sakes man. its not worth bringing up at all.Poseidon wrote:
Oh God, now we go on with the age issue. GTFO if that's what you're going to back up your statements with. "Oh, I can vote, I'm smarter. I know more about politics and instantly outrule you the minute you begin typing. Because I'm older."usmarine wrote:
because it is not a big deal to those of us who can actually vote.
Did I make a big deal out of it? No. I laughed. Get over yourself.
We're pretty much discussing it in real time. Other people brought up when Obama said orgy (and intentionally did so) but you didn't jump on them for that, but when I laugh about him not being able to say the name of a world leader, you get on my case about it.usmarine wrote:
whatever dude. what statements? people are human not robots. people stumble over words. fuck sakes man. its not worth bringing up at all.Poseidon wrote:
Oh God, now we go on with the age issue. GTFO if that's what you're going to back up your statements with. "Oh, I can vote, I'm smarter. I know more about politics and instantly outrule you the minute you begin typing. Because I'm older."usmarine wrote:
because it is not a big deal to those of us who can actually vote.
Did I make a big deal out of it? No. I laughed. Get over yourself.
What's the deal?
The likelihood of another 9/11 attack?
This year its 0, but next year it'll be 1/365, then next year, etc.
Remember, 9/11 comes only once a year. I though McCain was smart enough to answer with this.
This year its 0, but next year it'll be 1/365, then next year, etc.
Remember, 9/11 comes only once a year. I though McCain was smart enough to answer with this.
Yeah, it's a bit of a shtick, but it's clearly strategic to keep his vast amount of experience (compared to Obama) on people's minds.Braddock wrote:
McCain is starting to remind me of an old man who bores you with his 'wild' tales...
"I knew Kissinger...", "When I was in combat...", "You're naive, I have experience...", "You don't know the difference between a tactic and a strategy...", "In my day..."
God if Mcain says "Well ive been to blah blah" i swear to god ill write angry posts about it on the internet
I'm surprised that he didn't shy away from talking about things that made his age more obvious.Braddock wrote:
McCain is starting to remind me of an old man who bores you with his 'wild' tales...
"I knew Kissinger...", "When I was in combat...", "You're naive, I have experience...", "You don't know the difference between a tactic and a strategy...", "In my day..."
orgy is humerous in a serious debate tbh. not mocking someone talking in front of 80mil people.Poseidon wrote:
We're pretty much discussing it in real time. Other people brought up when Obama said orgy (and intentionally did so) but you didn't jump on them for that, but when I laugh about him not being able to say the name of a world leader, you get on my case about it.usmarine wrote:
whatever dude. what statements? people are human not robots. people stumble over words. fuck sakes man. its not worth bringing up at all.Poseidon wrote:
Oh God, now we go on with the age issue. GTFO if that's what you're going to back up your statements with. "Oh, I can vote, I'm smarter. I know more about politics and instantly outrule you the minute you begin typing. Because I'm older."
Did I make a big deal out of it? No. I laughed. Get over yourself.
What's the deal?
A 9/11 joke? A little risque to be honest!MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
The likelihood of another 9/11 attack?
This year its 0, but next year it'll be 1/365, then next year, etc.
Remember, 9/11 comes only once a year. I though McCain was smart enough to answer with this.
Well, seeing it now it was a joke, but it has more substance than McCain's answer to the question.Braddock wrote:
A 9/11 joke? A little risque to be honest!MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
The likelihood of another 9/11 attack?
This year its 0, but next year it'll be 1/365, then next year, etc.
Remember, 9/11 comes only once a year. I though McCain was smart enough to answer with this.
all that shit CNN has on the screen they can't put a timer?
You're making no sense.usmarine wrote:
orgy is humerous in a serious debate tbh. not mocking someone talking in front of 80mil people.Poseidon wrote:
We're pretty much discussing it in real time. Other people brought up when Obama said orgy (and intentionally did so) but you didn't jump on them for that, but when I laugh about him not being able to say the name of a world leader, you get on my case about it.usmarine wrote:
whatever dude. what statements? people are human not robots. people stumble over words. fuck sakes man. its not worth bringing up at all.
What's the deal?
It's humorous to say orgy when he's serious, but when McCain can't say a world leader's name when he's serious, it's not?
He's been playing the 'old and experienced' card all night, and in a painfully obvious way too.san4 wrote:
I'm surprised that he didn't shy away from talking about things that made his age more obvious.Braddock wrote:
McCain is starting to remind me of an old man who bores you with his 'wild' tales...
"I knew Kissinger...", "When I was in combat...", "You're naive, I have experience...", "You don't know the difference between a tactic and a strategy...", "In my day..."
All in all I'd say the whole thing was even enough to not sway supporters on either side of the political divide.