SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7091|Perth, Western Australia
Let me start by saying that this thread was not spawned by the US Election, although is still applies somewhat.

In Australia we have compulsory voting at both state and federal elections, with fines for those who do not vote. Recently there was a state election in Western Australia, won narrowly by the Liberal Party. This was the first election that I would be of age to vote in, however I opted not to vote. In fact I didn't even sign up for the electoral roll. After listening to the public speak I am of the opinion that cimpulsory voting is eating away at the validity of the votes cast.

For example, I was listening to the radio one evening before the election, and an elderly lady phoned in to the station to say that she had voted for Colin Barnett (leader of the Libs) by postal vote. When the host assked her why, she replied it was "simply because Mr Carpenter (leader of Labor) sent me a how to vote card in the mail". I started shouting at the radio. People want to determine who leads this state for the next four years over who sent them a how to vote card first? This angered me immensley. Hearing similarly stupid things from not only my age group (examples: "I vote x because my parents do", "I vote y because my mother knows the cousin of the candidate", "I know z because of where I live") but across the board, I began to wonder whether there should be some kind of system in place to make sure that the voters know what they are voting for - in terms of policies, promises, and other key points, as opposed to the face of the candidate.

Of course having done only a semester and a half of politics at uni I got quite keen about this and gave it great thought - and one day discussing this down the pub we figured maybe a quiz in the ballot booth to establish you know what the two major parties stand for, and what smalelr party option there are. Yes, there are problems with this idea. No, I don't think it would work in practise.

However, the point of this thread is to ask whether or not the concept of a voting body with actual knowledge of the policies and implications thereof of the party they are voting for is an ideal that cannot be achieved. Are we doomed forever to be subject to the whims of the masses who would vote along personality politics lines, or negative politics lines?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6847|Texas - Bigger than France
The argument against an educated public is it requires an education. 

Not everyone is educated.  So therefore, some of the poor will be unrepresented.
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7091|Perth, Western Australia

Pug wrote:

The argument against an educated public is it requires an education. 

Not everyone is educated.  So therefore, some of the poor will be unrepresented.
There are two sides to that though.

The notion that the public should be educated, or that only people who know what they are voting for and against should have their vote counted.

Two slightly different sides of it.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6796|Northern California
I've voiced my support for compulsory voting, though I also see some bad in it.  I would say that you should not be able to renew your auto registration or drivers' license, or perhaps some other non-protected things controlled by the government...if you don't vote in general elections.

It's pathetic that such a small percentage of my country votes while the other half or so don't care enough about their country and sit on their butts.

I like the Starship Troopers model in part.  Imagine if you could not vote unless you served in the military.  It could be good and bad there too..i mean, imagine if usmarine was responsible for voting and you couldn't! lol
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6847|Texas - Bigger than France

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Pug wrote:

The argument against an educated public is it requires an education. 

Not everyone is educated.  So therefore, some of the poor will be unrepresented.
There are two sides to that though.

The notion that the public should be educated, or that only people who know what they are voting for and against should have their vote counted.

Two slightly different sides of it.
Oh I know.  Drawbacks.

BTW, I'm not sure if this is exactly right, but the reason you've illustrated is why the US does the representative voting thing.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7115|Nårvei

IRONCHEF wrote:

I've voiced my support for compulsory voting, though I also see some bad in it.  I would say that you should not be able to renew your auto registration or drivers' license, or perhaps some other non-protected things controlled by the government...if you don't vote in general elections.

It's pathetic that such a small percentage of my country votes while the other half or so don't care enough about their country and sit on their butts.

I like the Starship Troopers model in part.  Imagine if you could not vote unless you served in the military.  It could be good and bad there too..i mean, imagine if usmarine was responsible for voting and you couldn't! lol
Compulsory voting doesn't mean you get better government so that alone disqualify that method, what you need is to educate people into learning that their vote is important and that it matters if they use it or not ...

In Norway we hold school elections infront of each communal and state election, the students learn about the election process, they have to gather election material and study that and discuss politics before they vote ... this way they know the basics when they are old enough to vote in a real election for the first time and they have experience from atleast 2 school elections.
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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6796|Northern California
OH, I agree.  And I didn't say it'd get better government if voting were compulsory.  I'm just for that aspect simply on the patriotic level...people should KNOW what a privilege it is to vote, what price was paid so they can vote, and THEN it's important that they be properly informed..and  educated, so they can cast a proper vote.  Of course I dream in wishing this as I'm sure it's actually against our constitutional ways to require citizens to vote...but it should be an intended requirement as a citizen.  Honestly, the voting apathy is just as despicable as the politicians they are to vote for! lol  Catch 22.

I think the first real step in american elections, to get people even remotely interested in voting, is to completely overhaul the campaign structure.  The financing of campaigns should be limited..severely...just as McCain once believed in..but has obviously abandoned.  If the playing field for candidates were equal, then that would dictate that a "miss america pageant" type election should be done. 

For example.  If you (as a New Yorker for example), Kmarion (a Floridian), and me (a Californian) wanted to run for president, we should compete among others in our community for the pass or fail.  Then if we win the community, we compete in a regional campaign...then a bigger region or the statewide campaign....then have a final 4 candidates run in a general election.  As for debates, it's only needed to do so for the final 4...all campaign finance PRIOR to the state level voting would be private or public, with perhaps a modest limit of no more than $100,000.  For the final 4 candidates, regardless of party, affiliation, etc...they compete via debates and with some airtime paid for by the government out of public tax payer funds.  This will ensure complete neutrality of funding sources, ELIMINATE SPECIAL INTEREST cash (and those evil things that come from it), and give equal footing.  Other ethical rules of conduct should also be adhered to in political ads....like a factchecking source that would expose lies if made, thus tarnishing the candidate who made it.

Dang, that sounds really ideal....but totally impossible.  USA #1!
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

That sounds like a wonderful concept. +1

Disheartening that something that ideal would never make it past the idea stage in this country.

Giving candidates a set amount of money to campaign with has its pros and cons. Far more pros, IMO--primarily in that it is a bit of a test of their management and leadership skills.

Last edited by FEOS (2008-09-26 02:30:05)

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AussieReaper
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No compulsory voting is something that is great to have, especially in Australia.

You do get far out nuts who have no clue who to vote for or why, but the majority do take into account what their vote means, and those elected are much to a much higher accountability. If you piss off a group of people it will cost you a lot of votes.
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