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LaidBackNinja wrote:

About stripping the rights of Muslim citizens. We ought to start a new thread but whatever.

I'm almost certain that you know very little, if anything, about Islam so I'll make a few key points.

To be a Muslim you must: hate all non-Muslims, think that it is a god-given right to rape non-Muslim women who belong to a country or entity which has not submitted to Islamic control, work to subvert all non-Muslim systems of governance, not believe in any personal freedoms, etc, etc.
Don't believe me? Go read the Qur'an - it's all in there.
People who call themselves Muslim but do not have the necessary beliefs to actually be a Muslim, are simply not Muslim and therefore the following does not necessarily apply to them.

I would say that it was common sense, not to mention a matter of survival, to rid society of these people, whether by incarceration or deportation.

Jesus Christ, somebody ban this guy RIGHT NOW.

Yeah, ban me for saying something this [formally, but no more it seems] LaidBackNinja doesn't like, even though I'm telling the truth.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

This is quite simply the biggest bullshit I have read, EVER. I don't know where you get your information,

Well actually, it's from the same source the Muslims get their information. Namely the Qur'an and Hadtihs.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

buddy, but what you just said is a blatant lie, and a dangerous one at that.

How unfortunate for you that reality would appear to prove me to be correct in this matter.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

You seriously make me want to come over to your house and rape you in the name of Christ, and then I'll just say I thought it was in the bible. Fuck you. No, FUCK YOU.

Whatever floats your boat, you bloody weirdo.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

xanthpi wrote:

About stripping the rights of Muslim citizens. We ought to start a new thread but whatever.

I'm almost certain that you know very little, if anything, about Islam so I'll make a few key points.

To be a Muslim you must: hate all non-Muslims, think that it is a god-given right to rape non-Muslim women who belong to a country or entity which has not submitted to Islamic control, work to subvert all non-Muslim systems of governance, not believe in any personal freedoms, etc, etc.
Don't believe me? Go read the Qur'an - it's all in there.
People who call themselves Muslim but do not have the necessary beliefs to actually be a Muslim, are simply not Muslim and therefore the following does not necessarily apply to them.

I would say that it was common sense, not to mention a matter of survival, to rid society of these people, whether by incarceration or deportation.

To make it easier to understand, if someone was to walk around town shouting that they want to rape all the women and kill everyone else, would it be a smart move to arrest them or not? Hmmmm. Tough one, that

Dude, what you just said is unbelievable. It is an offensive and VERY dangerous lie. You're lucky there are hardly any muslims on this forum (at all?) but if there were I bet they'd rip you a new one for that bullshit.
What you just said infuriates me beyond comprehension. Imagine if I came on here, and said that to be a good Christian, you have to rape non-christians, hate non-christians etc. etc. YOU'D BE FUCKING PISSED, BECAUSE IT'S UTTER BULLSHIT. And the fact that there are no islam people on this forum to defend themselves makes your offense even worse. People might actually BELIEVE what you just said, while it is actually complete nonsense. People, please DON'T believe what he just said, I imagine it was this sort of thing that caused the Germans to hate the Jews. What xanthpi just said is NOT TRUE. The muslim faith is a faith of peace and love much like christianity. The Qur'an FORBIDS you to kill other people, just like the bible does.

Have you read the Quran?

DUDE... he's right...

"Now when you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks until you overcome them fully..." (47:4).

"O you who have attained to faith! Fight against those unbelievers who are near you and let them find you adamant, and know that God is with those who are conscious of Him" (9:123).

"Slay the pagans wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place..." (9:5).

"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)" 2:191-2

"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." 4:89

"Believers who kill believers will go to hell." 4:93  **someone should warn the suicide people of this

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

Marconius wrote:

xanthpi wrote:

Deciding 'what is right' is up to those who are able to do so. If everyone was able to do that then the world would be a peaceful place would it not.

Since the Iraqis were not able or not willing to rid us and thmeselves of the tyrant Saddam Hussein, it is up to right-minded people to do that for them. If any of them in particular don't like not living without a murderous psychopath then it is very much their problem and no-one else's.

Ready everyone?  This is called FASCISM.  Say it with me now.  FASCISM.  Can we also say TOTALITARIAN REGIME?  Complete subservience to a force "that believes they are right in any and every way?"

I ask again, What the hell type of America are you attempting to defend?

What the hell type of america have you been living in the past 21 years?  Have you ever created a law?  Members of Congress introduce laws that are then voted on.  They are deciding what is right for us.

Oh, so there is a law now to take over countries with large uses of force?  I did not know that. </sarcasm>

By the way, you severely fail to notice that I never said Padilla was a good guy, and I never left any information out that dealt with what I was talking about.  I was pointing out the fact that there is no evidence to justify his detention in Gitmo.  None whatsoever.

And xanthpi, why don't you prove your interpretation of the Qu'ran?  Rather than just telling us to go read it, why don't you give me some passages to take heed of?    Now that your hatred of Islam is out in the open, tell us exactly what passages in the Qu'ran led you to this revelation?

For reference, here is the Qur'an:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

The dissolution of context allows any interpretation to be made of individual quotes.  This is something that Fundamentalist Muslim Extremists, normal and moderate Muslims, and anti-Islamic people can agree on.

disturbing

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Okay, just so you know, you ignorant fool, the Lesser Jihad was only meant a brief specific time, to DEFEND the faith from attackers, AT THAT TIME. It was never meant to be an ongoing thing. You should know this.

What I SHOULD know is what is actually true. And what is true is that jihad applies until the entire planet is under Islamic law. It has applied right from the beginning of Islam, when Muhammad and his bunch of thugs decided to invade all the surrounding territories and forcibly convert their populations.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

I suggest you stop trying to portray Muslims as this evil empire. You twist the truth around to fit your strange ideas. I really hope you die in an unfortunate car accident, as it is people like you who start religious conflicts.

Thanks for your kinds words. You're sounding more Muslim by the minute.

It is Islam which has declared war on the non-Muslims, not the other way around. We are quite happy to share this planet with other kinds of people, as long as they are not dedicated to subduing or killing us.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Stop misinterpreting excerpts from the Qur'an when you know better. You KNOW why that was written, and you KNOW it was not meant for any other period of time, and CERTAINLY not as an excuse for terrorism.
You sound intelligent, so you should know this. If you don't, you are downright stupid.

It is neither for me nor for anyone else to 'interpret' the Qur'an, because as you know, interpretation of the Qur'an is illegal for anyone but the top imams.

The Qur'an says what it says. It's all there in black and white.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

And don't call me a liar, when it is you that is spewing dangerous and blatant lies.

But you haven't managed to back yourself up with anything other than wishing to rape me or wishing for my death in a car accident.

Sorry dude, but you've just been owned. And in some style, I might add

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Reality? What reality are you talking about? Do you even KNOW any muslims? And I don't mean these so called "terrorists" but normal muslims? The ones that don't kill? The ones that are generally very decent human beings?

Yes, 3.  And they converted to Christianity.  Very nice guys too.

No offence xanthpi, but you're full of shit. When ever he makes a point you just say something stupid that completly ignores his question. So you can think what you think, thats fine, I don't have a problem with that, but FFS, if you're going to tell people that they are wrong, at least back up you're own argument when they question it. If you did actually know some one who was muslim, you would know that everything you're saying is complete bullshit. It's only the extremists that want all non muslims dead. Unfortunatly however, I imagine that if you ever met a muslim, you'd probably burn his house down or something.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Reality? What reality are you talking about?

The reality which exists regardless of perceptions and opinions. The real reality.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Do you even KNOW any muslims?

I know plenty of them.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

And I don't mean these so called "terrorists" but normal muslims? The ones that don't kill? The ones that are generally very decent human beings? Yes, they do exist, and no, they are not anything like you described.

Ahaha. Now I  know why you seem to be so deranged. You think that when I talk about Muslims, I am talking about everyone who CALLS themself a Muslim.
This will make you feel really stupid and uneducated but hey, it's for the greater good.
A Muslim is someone who qualifies to be one, by doing their best to live their life as outlined in the Qur'an and Hadiths.
A Muslim IS NOT someone who simply calls themself a Muslim.
People who call themselves Muslim but who do not qualify to actually BE a Muslim, are not Muslim. For the sake of clarity, lets call them 'people with some kind of Islamic identity'.
Out of a worldwide population of 1.2 billion people with 'some kind of Islamic identity', only around 300 million or so [for clarity's sake] are actually Muslim. Are you getting the picture now?

So, when I call for the deportation or imprisonment of Muslims, I am not refering to the people who call themselves Muslim, but who are actually peaceful people and hence not Muslim. I have no problem with those people. Some of my closest friends are in that category. They are no more threat to me than is a small kitten, a bottle of water or a plank of wood.

So in future, try to educate yourself a little better before the argument. It saves time, and means I don't have to own you every single time I reply.

I've just thought of a simply way to think about it, the concept of what defines something.
If I were to say that I am 300 feet tall, would I be 300 feet tall or would I be as tall as I actually am? Apply the same line of thinking when deciding who is and isn't a Muslim and you won't go far wrong.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

So please, do yourself a favor, and keep your fucking mouth shut.

Ok, but can I still use my keyboard?

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, there's obviously no talking to you. I'm just going to add you under the list of people who deserve to go to hell.

You keep a list of people who you think deserve to go to hell? Wow, you're nuttier than Chinese chicken salad.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Why? Because you instigate hate towards an entire religion, when only a tiny fraction of it's followers choose to misinterpret their own teachings for an excuse for terrorism. REAL muslims know what the Qur'an means, and it most certainly isn't about killing or raping.

We've already covered this point.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Just for your information, I am not myself a muslim, I just feel that someone had to defend them, since people like you make them appear evil.

We've already covered this. People who think it's ok to kill, rape, enslave and forcibly convert other people ARE evil.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

It's like brining up the Crusades and claiming all Christians are evil.

It's like nothing of the sort.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

But now, I give up.

Smart move. Even the dumbest dogs know when they have been bitten too many times.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

I just can't bring myself to argue with people like you.

Of course. Because you'll lose and then smash your computer into little pieces in a fit of rage.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Gloat all you want if that floats your boat, tell me I got "owned" or what ever you like,

Why thankyou. "I just owned StresedOutNinja so hard", said xanthpi whilst gloating like the gloatiest thing ever invented. Xanthpi then got in his boat and floated, gloating, down Gloat River to own another n00b.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

but if there is one point I hope to bring across, it is that Muslims are no more evil than christians or athiests.

Well actually they are. Christians and atheists do not follow an ideology which classes everyone else as sub-human. They may form that conclusion on their own if they wish, but their ideology does not guide them in that direction as a matter of course.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

The muslim himself chooses how to interpret the Qur'an,

No he doesn't. Interpretation of the Qur'an is illegal in Islam.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

just like the Christian has to decide for himself whether the story about adam and eve actually happened, or if it is a methaphor.

For your information, the Vatican released a statement back in October(?) stating that the Bible was not meant to be taken literally.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

A small fraction of the Islam faith chooses to use the Jihad as an excuse for terrorism. TRUE muslims know that's not what the Jihad is about at all, and that the Lesser Jihad ended ages ago.

We've already covered this and you got owned, remember?

LaidBackNinja wrote:

There, it's all yours. Talk on, you won't hear from me on this subject again. I have said all there is to say.

Whether playing Battlefield II or posting on BF2S, xanthpi poons n00bs left, right, and centre.

Another strike for knowledgeable people against the forces of, well, derangement.

ghettoperson wrote:

I love how one sided  this forum is. Anyone that says anything remotly anti US gets flamed, or told that they are wrong.

Would you rather that "anyone that says anything remotely anti US" get praised and told that they are right?

I'm owning these n00bs because they ARE wrong.

Now, if someone was to make a thread called "George W Bush" isn't a very good president then I'd agree with them.

xanthpi wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I love how one sided  this forum is. Anyone that says anything remotly anti US gets flamed, or told that they are wrong.

Would you rather that "anyone that says anything remotely anti US" get praised and told that they are right?

I'm owning these n00bs because they ARE wrong.

Now, if someone was to make a thread called "George W Bush" isn't a very good president then I'd agree with them.

I didn't say I wanted that did I? Merely that if you say the US is wrong you instantly get jumped on by everyone. You could try listening to the other side of the conversation. And since I'd like a decent debate, rather than just the constant flaming of everyone, do you actually know personally any muslim people? I know a large amount of muslims and I can safely say that muslims do not want the destruction of all non muslims, only the extremists. However, I do think that Islam has a large amount of extremists in it. That why people get these opinions.

EDIT: Incidently, just curiose. If you do not like Señor Bush, why do you support his foreign policy?

Last edited by ghettoperson (2006-03-08 11:49:08)

So now that you've actually read it, and not just some individual passages, do you see how you were wrong?

Check out the section on common misconceptions as well, the link I posted earlier.
It explains the whole Jihad thing, like I tried to do here, but it's a bit more succesful. I recommend you read it and you'll finally understand the truth. I think I'll even find it in my heart to forgive your earlier ignorance.

Actually, I won't. You'll still be a tool. Good night.

Last edited by LaidBackNinja (2006-03-08 12:12:39)