Soldiers without legs and arms, and these who died in action.
Simply getting out of bed in the morning is enough for me
SuiciiiidalMek-Stizzle wrote:
Simply getting out of bed in the morning is enough for me
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
watSpark wrote:
SuiciiiidalMek-Stizzle wrote:
Simply getting out of bed in the morning is enough for me
How did that one work again? What did it actually achieve besides martyrdom for his himself?War Man wrote:
Hence the saying= "Saved us from our sins"God Save the Queen wrote:
Jesus knew what was going to happen to him and he did nothing to avoid it.
Will we? I bet you a million dollars you don't live to say "I told you so" on this one.War Man wrote:
We will see in the future won't we?TheAussieReaper wrote:
Jesus is just an urban legend.
I only ask because people were very quick to drag his name through the mud and dismiss his wartime efforts. I was just wondering as a non-American why Kerry was fair game while McCain is out bounds?FEOS wrote:
Ask the people who served with him. They're the best judges of that.Braddock wrote:
Is John Kerry a hero?
Same with McCain...and any other service member.
Are you being serious? Soldiers losing limbs is horrible and tragic but if someone called me a hero just because I lost a limb while carrying out military service for my country I'd slap them in the face.Lisik wrote:
Soldiers without legs and arms, and these who died in action.
This is how it works in the military, at last in ours. But if you know bigger sacrifice then losing your legs in action then tell us, will be interesting to know.Braddock wrote:
Are you being serious? Soldiers losing limbs is horrible and tragic but if someone called me a hero just because I lost a limb while carrying out military service for my country I'd slap them in the face.Lisik wrote:
Soldiers without legs and arms, and these who died in action.
add: For civilians - soldiers are heroes. For soldiers - dead and injured soldiers are heroes.
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Well, losing your head seems to be bigger sacrifice. . .Lisik wrote:
This is how it works in the military, at last in ours. But if you know bigger sacrifice then losing your legs in action then tell us, will be interesting to know.
add: For civilians - soldiers are heroes. For soldiers - dead and injured soldiers are heroes.
That's bullshit. That's just a way for the state to glorify the loss of life and limb in combat. There's nothing heroic or glorious about having to wheel yourself around in a chair for the rest of your life.Lisik wrote:
This is how it works in the military, at last in ours. But if you know bigger sacrifice then losing your legs in action then tell us, will be interesting to know.Braddock wrote:
Are you being serious? Soldiers losing limbs is horrible and tragic but if someone called me a hero just because I lost a limb while carrying out military service for my country I'd slap them in the face.Lisik wrote:
Soldiers without legs and arms, and these who died in action.
add: For civilians - soldiers are heroes. For soldiers - dead and injured soldiers are heroes.
What they were doing when the incident that took their legs happened may have involved an act of heroism but the loss of their limbs in itself is not the qualifying factor for their heroism... it's just a tragedy plain and simple. I'm sure, if given the choice, they would choose to have done the same thing and kept their limbs - and they would be no less of a hero.
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Braddock ask any WW2 veteran and he will tell you that the true heroes are these who died on the battlefield.
Read post #6 of this thread.Braddock wrote:
I'm sure, if given the choice, they would choose to have done the same thing and kept their limbs - and they would be no less of a hero.
I'm sorry but that kind of attitude completely detracts from all the acts of all the heroes who made it home alive having got the job done.Lisik wrote:
Braddock ask any WW2 veteran and he will tell you that the true heroes are these who died on the battlefield.
a hero is someone who talks tough about torture and captivity on a video game forum. another example is reducing combat to phrases like "cant fly a plane" or other stupid shit. thats a hero for ye.
Read my response to post 6 in this thread.Lisik wrote:
Read post #6 of this thread.Braddock wrote:
I'm sure, if given the choice, they would choose to have done the same thing and kept their limbs - and they would be no less of a hero.
I can understand that as an Israeli you are probably subjected to more State 'propaganda' (for want of a better word) in relation to serving one's country, and sacrificing oneself for one's country being that ye are almost continually engaged in conflict of some level or other but you don't have to swallow everything they feed you. Western society glorifies those who die on the battlefield because it is an effective way of making a positive out of a negative. Islamic extremists employ the same tactic in their suicide missions (albeit in a more extreme way).
That's a very strange definition of heroism usmarine.usmarine wrote:
a hero is someone who talks tough about torture and captivity on a video game forum. another example is reducing combat to phrases like "cant fly a plane" or other stupid shit. thats a hero for ye.
From your words i am a hero! So as as a "hero" i ask you to see heroes in these who did not cam back home. Ok?Braddock wrote:
I'm sorry but that kind of attitude completely detracts from all the acts of all the heroes who made it home alive having got the job done.Lisik wrote:
Braddock ask any WW2 veteran and he will tell you that the true heroes are these who died on the battlefield.
You fought in WW2?Lisik wrote:
From your words i am a hero! So as as a "hero" i ask you to see heroes in these who did not cam back home. Ok?Braddock wrote:
I'm sorry but that kind of attitude completely detracts from all the acts of all the heroes who made it home alive having got the job done.Lisik wrote:
Braddock ask any WW2 veteran and he will tell you that the true heroes are these who died on the battlefield.
I'm not saying the people who died weren't heroes (I wish people would start getting this through their thick heads), what I'm saying is that the fact they died or were injured isn't what made them heroes.
Not WW2 but plenty of another. But nevermind, we have different definition of who is hero, for me its fine.
That's true, I agree completely with you there. I guess we're talking about military heroes in particular in this thread.lowing wrote:
If I started a retaliation thread every time I was fiercely attacked for my thoughts and opinions, they would have to open up a new wing for me.Braddock wrote:
I don't mean to start a petty 'retaliation' thread but I have recently been fiercely attacked for my thoughts and opinions on the issue of heroism, particularly in relation to war and combat.
For me heroism requires a proactive effort of courage and bravery, not a passive act of suffering or bad luck.
Discuss.
A hero can be more than what you describe Braddock. An organ donor, or a anonymous charity donor is also a hero for example.
A hero's deeds involve risk, dedication and sacrifice. A hero can come from any walk of life, and be called a hero for any number of reasons in any number of situations.
Its pretty subjective isnt it? Radical muslims think suicide bombers are heros, even though most rational people wouldnt.
I think the true heroes are people we haven't even heard about, who have sacrificed a lot yet don't brag about it or expect special treatment.
I think the true heroes are people we haven't even heard about, who have sacrificed a lot yet don't brag about it or expect special treatment.
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Placing a Kevlar Helmet over a grenade then laying on it to keep said grenade from killing the rest of your squad.
Yeah, radical muslims think it is so heroic that they force little kids and women to be heroes for them.....Now THAT is hero worship!!Spearhead wrote:
Its pretty subjective isnt it? Radical muslims think suicide bombers are heros, even though most rational people wouldnt.
I think the true heroes are people we haven't even heard about, who have sacrificed a lot yet don't brag about it or expect special treatment.
Tsk, sucks when pilots don't know how to fly a plane. I know, it takes a hero to point it out.usmarine wrote:
a hero is someone who talks tough about torture and captivity on a video game forum. another example is reducing combat to phrases like "cant fly a plane" or other stupid shit. thats a hero for ye.
Tsk, you know nothing about combat. keep quiet.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Tsk, sucks when pilots don't know how to fly a plane. I know, it takes a hero to point it out.usmarine wrote:
a hero is someone who talks tough about torture and captivity on a video game forum. another example is reducing combat to phrases like "cant fly a plane" or other stupid shit. thats a hero for ye.
Apparently a hero is anyone who critically discusses heroism on a video game forum, even though they make no claims whatsoever to be a hero themself or even suggest such a fact.usmarine wrote:
Tsk, you know nothing about combat. keep quiet.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Tsk, sucks when pilots don't know how to fly a plane. I know, it takes a hero to point it out.usmarine wrote:
a hero is someone who talks tough about torture and captivity on a video game forum. another example is reducing combat to phrases like "cant fly a plane" or other stupid shit. thats a hero for ye.