usmarine wrote:
a hero is not giving into torture and actually coming back from a beating and grinning to fellow POW's. oh, and refusing the chance to go home and stop the torture because he did not want to leave the men behind. thats heroic and i dont give a flying fuck what you say.
Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-09-16 17:13:05)
Well a soldier is supposed to not give into torture and surrender information but the act of showing leadership and bravery in doing so to keep fellow POW's spirits up is definitely admirable and somewhat heroic.usmarine wrote:
usmarine wrote:
a hero is not giving into torture and actually coming back from a beating and grinning to fellow POW's. oh, and refusing the chance to go home and stop the torture because he did not want to leave the men behind. thats heroic and i dont give a flying fuck what you say.
I think you'll find many soldiers have tried to do heroic things... and many have been very successful at doing so. If a guy jumps on a grenade to save his fellow troops then yes, he is trying to be a hero... but I'm sure that's not what he's actually concerned about when he's doing it.War Man wrote:
No soldier tries to be a hero, remember that
Braddock wrote:
Well a soldier is supposed to not give into torture and surrender information but the act of showing leadership and bravery in doing so to keep fellow POW's spirits up is definitely admirable and somewhat heroic.usmarine wrote:
usmarine wrote:
a hero is not giving into torture and actually coming back from a beating and grinning to fellow POW's. oh, and refusing the chance to go home and stop the torture because he did not want to leave the men behind. thats heroic and i dont give a flying fuck what you say.
That's pretty much all we expect.US Military Code of Conduct wrote:
I am an American fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
This thread isn't just about McCain but obviously his reference in the original thread means his particular story is of increased relevance. My point regarding McCain was that his being shot down and captured were not the qualifying factors for his supposed heroism. It is perfectly reasonable to regard him as a hero for what he may have done in during his capture or previous missions.Poseidon wrote:
As I've said - I respect John McCain in the utmost ways on a personal level for what he's done. He IS a hero. And this is coming from a vehement anti-McCain person.
I respect him on a personal level, but not on a political level.
Just out of curiosity are atheists allowed in the US military?FEOS wrote:
Braddock wrote:
Well a soldier is supposed to not give into torture and surrender information but the act of showing leadership and bravery in doing so to keep fellow POW's spirits up is definitely admirable and somewhat heroic.usmarine wrote:
That's pretty much all we expect.US Military Code of Conduct wrote:
I am an American fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
Courage and heroism aren't the same thing. However, you could swap the word "courage" with "heroism" and your point would still be valid imo.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.
part of being a hero is having courageBraddock wrote:
Courage and heroism aren't the same thing. However, you could swap the word "courage" with "heroism" and your point would still be valid imo.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.
Yes. But good of you to ignore the point that I was making..."to the best of my ability". It recognizes that everyone has limits.Braddock wrote:
Just out of curiosity are atheists allowed in the US military?FEOS wrote:
Braddock wrote:
Well a soldier is supposed to not give into torture and surrender information but the act of showing leadership and bravery in doing so to keep fellow POW's spirits up is definitely admirable and somewhat heroic.That's pretty much all we expect.US Military Code of Conduct wrote:
I am an American fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
Last edited by FEOS (2008-09-16 17:55:48)
Ask the people who served with him. They're the best judges of that.Braddock wrote:
Is John Kerry a hero?
Exactly.SEREMAKER wrote:
part of being a hero is having courageBraddock wrote:
Courage and heroism aren't the same thing. However, you could swap the word "courage" with "heroism" and your point would still be valid imo.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.
yeah .............. its really difficult to define " Hero "KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
In the end it's an arbitrary judgement, and something that really can't be defined within a few statements (IMO).
God Save the Queen wrote:
Jesus knew what was going to happen to him and he did nothing to avoid it.
God wrote:
"Psst, you'll come back in 3 days. Give or take... 4 tops."
usmarine wrote:
usmarine wrote:
a hero is not giving into torture and actually coming back from a beating and grinning to fellow POW's. oh, and refusing the chance to go home and stop the torture because he did not want to leave the men behind. thats heroic and i dont give a flying fuck what you say.