Aren't like 50 countries putting money towards the development of the JSF?
It's more like 12. I'm going off a poster here from work experience at a military aircraft place.SEREVENT wrote:
Aren't like 50 countries putting money towards the development of the JSF?
Wikipedia didn't give me an exact numberjord wrote:
It's more like 12. I'm going off a poster here from work experience at a military aircraft place.SEREVENT wrote:
Aren't like 50 countries putting money towards the development of the JSF?
Anywho it said 9 major partners and some more buyers, so... you're right.
Anyway hopefully i'll be flying one
Yeah probably not. But good luck, I gave up on RAF or Naval pilot a long time ago. Too much to risk, time mainly.SEREVENT wrote:
Wikipedia didn't give me an exact numberjord wrote:
It's more like 12. I'm going off a poster here from work experience at a military aircraft place.SEREVENT wrote:
Aren't like 50 countries putting money towards the development of the JSF?
Anywho it said 9 major partners and some more buyers, so... you're right.
Anyway hopefully i'll be flying one
Probably not? I'm heartbroken :;(jord wrote:
Yeah probably not. But good luck, I gave up on RAF or Naval pilot a long time ago. Too much to risk, time mainly.SEREVENT wrote:
Wikipedia didn't give me an exact numberjord wrote:
It's more like 12. I'm going off a poster here from work experience at a military aircraft place.
Anywho it said 9 major partners and some more buyers, so... you're right.
Anyway hopefully i'll be flying one
Anywho... so what if training is like... 10 years i heard? Its all worth it when (if) you get your first kill. So i'm told.
I wouldn't know, but it will be a long time before you fly on ops. And that's an if. You might get stuck flying a cargo plane from Wales to Brize Norton all your life. Big risk to train and get stuck doing that shit.SEREVENT wrote:
Probably not? I'm heartbroken :;(jord wrote:
Yeah probably not. But good luck, I gave up on RAF or Naval pilot a long time ago. Too much to risk, time mainly.SEREVENT wrote:
Wikipedia didn't give me an exact number
Anywho it said 9 major partners and some more buyers, so... you're right.
Anyway hopefully i'll be flying one
Anywho... so what if training is like... 10 years i heard? Its all worth it when (if) you get your first kill. So i'm told.
That's quite morbid.SEREVENT wrote:
Its all worth it when (if) you get your first kill. So i'm told.
Pfft. Thats why you sign on the dotted line at the end of the day.jord wrote:
I wouldn't know, but it will be a long time before you fly on ops. And that's an if. You might get stuck flying a cargo plane from Wales to Brize Norton all your life. Big risk to train and get stuck doing that shit.SEREVENT wrote:
Probably not? I'm heartbroken :;(jord wrote:
Yeah probably not. But good luck, I gave up on RAF or Naval pilot a long time ago. Too much to risk, time mainly.
Anywho... so what if training is like... 10 years i heard? Its all worth it when (if) you get your first kill. So i'm told.
Anyway i'm just dreaming, i'll most probably need glasses in a couple of years.
The way i see it is:
The RAF don't care what A Levels you need... so i study for something that would enable me to get an Officer rank in the Army if i do get glasses. Simple.
Then you need to go Uni for a degree if you want one of the more competitive army officer jobs(combat). Then you need to do the application process (3 months) then you need to do Sandhurst (1-2 years) then you'll be assigned to your regiment. Grand total of about 5 years with A levels still to do...SEREVENT wrote:
Pfft. Thats why you sign on the dotted line at the end of the day.jord wrote:
I wouldn't know, but it will be a long time before you fly on ops. And that's an if. You might get stuck flying a cargo plane from Wales to Brize Norton all your life. Big risk to train and get stuck doing that shit.SEREVENT wrote:
Probably not? I'm heartbroken :;(
Anywho... so what if training is like... 10 years i heard? Its all worth it when (if) you get your first kill. So i'm told.
Anyway i'm just dreaming, i'll most probably need glasses in a couple of years.
The way i see it is:
The RAF don't care what A Levels you need... so i study for something that would enable me to get an Officer rank in the Army if i do get glasses. Simple.
Fuck it then. I'll join when i'm 16...jord wrote:
Then you need to go Uni for a degree if you want one of the more competitive army officer jobs(combat). Then you need to do the application process (3 months) then you need to do Sandhurst (1-2 years) then you'll be assigned to your regiment. Grand total of about 5 years with A levels still to do...SEREVENT wrote:
Pfft. Thats why you sign on the dotted line at the end of the day.jord wrote:
I wouldn't know, but it will be a long time before you fly on ops. And that's an if. You might get stuck flying a cargo plane from Wales to Brize Norton all your life. Big risk to train and get stuck doing that shit.
Anyway i'm just dreaming, i'll most probably need glasses in a couple of years.
The way i see it is:
The RAF don't care what A Levels you need... so i study for something that would enable me to get an Officer rank in the Army if i do get glasses. Simple.
Then wait 2 years and then can i go on live ops?
Already retired, and the 117 was never a nuke-capable bird.War Man wrote:
F-117 also is expected to retire sometime in 2008(we still will have B2s which are nuclear capable).Lotta_Drool wrote:
Yeah, I realized I called it a fighter after I posted and figured someone would correct me. But that does futher illistrate that they are mostly weapons platforms anymore. They just quickly take the fight to the enemy.War Man wrote:
Believe me, 6-8 old and outdated aircraft is no problem for an F-22.Dilbert_X wrote:
The only source is the various leaks, briefings etc that the F18 and F35 are not what they want, like the one in the OP.
I'd still like to see an F22 take on 3 SU35s, or 6 Su27s.
Better still, a refuelling and rearming F22 take on 8 Mig 29s
The F-117 is actually a bomber, the U.S. didn't want the Russians to know that they have a new bomber in town that radar can't detect clearly.
Now the F-22 is seriously the most maneuvarable aircraft ever built, and it is stealth like the F-117(maybe less stealth not sure).
As far as optical dogfighting, they already have cloaking for aircraft. Probably not disclosed to the public yet.
F-22 (and F-35) is much more stealthy than the 117. So is the B-2, for that matter.
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Yes, if you pass selection and training and the regiment you join is going on ops then. Para's,royal marines and Armoured reg's are always out somewhere.SEREVENT wrote:
Fuck it then. I'll join when i'm 16...jord wrote:
Then you need to go Uni for a degree if you want one of the more competitive army officer jobs(combat). Then you need to do the application process (3 months) then you need to do Sandhurst (1-2 years) then you'll be assigned to your regiment. Grand total of about 5 years with A levels still to do...SEREVENT wrote:
Pfft. Thats why you sign on the dotted line at the end of the day.
Anyway i'm just dreaming, i'll most probably need glasses in a couple of years.
The way i see it is:
The RAF don't care what A Levels you need... so i study for something that would enable me to get an Officer rank in the Army if i do get glasses. Simple.
Then wait 2 years and then can i go on live ops?
I think this is an important point. When the Brits where renewing there trident nuclear deterent, one of the people on the news was giving it the:some_random_panda wrote:
Historically strong allies. Public opinion has changed over the last few years though.jord wrote:
I thought the Aussies didn't want Air to Air fighters because they're strong allies with the US. They can just buy Air to ground bombers and bomb insurgents, and if a real war kicks of they have the US Air to Air fighters on their side.Dilbert_X wrote:
For whatever reason it seems the RAAF are convinced they don't want the FA18 or the F35.
Hence they leaks, and the briefings by retired RAAF guys.
They want the F22, which the US won't sell to Aus.
Personally I'd pick 2-3 Russian jets over 1 F35 for ~ the same price.
Or 6-8 Russian jets per F22.
F22 ~$200m
F35 ~$75m
SU35 ~$65m
SU27 ~$35m
Mig 29 ~$25m
But whatever, the chinese will swamp us with numbers so maybe we should just infect the Roos with rabies and set sail for New Zealand.
''Ohh, America wont let us be nuked, this is a waste of money''
I would assume the same can be said for the auzies aswell, and that is fair enough, but speaking as merely an onlooker, unofficially handing over much of your protection to a buddy may not be the best idea.
Relationships can change, and even if they dont. Say that all chestnut of a Russia and China going against the west comes into reality, the US will have enough on it's plate already without having to worry about anyone else.
Similarly, if the US was brought down in some sort of freak attack, your gonna be left shitting kittens waiting on them ruskies coming your way :\
Skynet ftw
Martyn
The US would take on China or Indonesia for Australia? I doubt it.Historically strong allies. Public opinion has changed over the last few years though.
We need our own defense, and we're too small to afford it.
Fuck Israel
Indonesia? Oh lawd...
Well if the Aussies got into a war with Indonesia I think more than the US would be helping them. Not that they need it.Dilbert_X wrote:
The US would take on China or Indonesia for Australia? I doubt it.Historically strong allies. Public opinion has changed over the last few years though.
We need our own defense, and we're too small to afford it.
Lol Indonesia.
Actually, the title of most maneuverable aircraft ever built (not counting aerobatic airplanes, just Air Force fighters) is the SU-47.War Man wrote:
Now the F-22 is seriously the most maneuvarable aircraft ever built, and it is stealth like the F-117(maybe less stealth not sure).
200m Indonesians vs 20m Australians is not attractive.Indonesia? Oh lawd...
And they're muslim
Fuck Israel
There have been more maneuverable aircraft built before, they just are either prototypes or biplanes.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Actually, the title of most maneuverable aircraft ever built (not counting aerobatic airplanes, just Air Force fighters) is the SU-47.War Man wrote:
Now the F-22 is seriously the most maneuvarable aircraft ever built, and it is stealth like the F-117(maybe less stealth not sure).
A single ATDP aircraft that was never fielded...wiki wrote:
The sole aircraft produced is an advanced technology demonstrator prototype and manufacture of a planned second flying prototype was canceled.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
So whats the Su- plane that does that Cobra move?FEOS wrote:
There have been more maneuverable aircraft built before, they just are either prototypes or biplanes.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Actually, the title of most maneuverable aircraft ever built (not counting aerobatic airplanes, just Air Force fighters) is the SU-47.War Man wrote:
Now the F-22 is seriously the most maneuvarable aircraft ever built, and it is stealth like the F-117(maybe less stealth not sure).
EDIT:- its the SU-27... The Pugachev "Cobra".
Just a simulation, i know, but thats the best i could find of the move itself:
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And that cobra maneuver, while interesting, has little-to-no applicability in aerial combat.SEREVENT wrote:
So whats the Su- plane that does that Cobra move?FEOS wrote:
There have been more maneuverable aircraft built before, they just are either prototypes or biplanes.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Actually, the title of most maneuverable aircraft ever built (not counting aerobatic airplanes, just Air Force fighters) is the SU-47.
EDIT:- its the SU-27... The Pugachev "Cobra".
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Do you even know what it is?FEOS wrote:
And that cobra maneuver, while interesting, has little-to-no applicability in aerial combat.SEREVENT wrote:
So whats the Su- plane that does that Cobra move?FEOS wrote:
There have been more maneuverable aircraft built before, they just are either prototypes or biplanes.
EDIT:- its the SU-27... The Pugachev "Cobra".
I think he does, he is in the AF. Not sure what his role is though, FEOS, what do you do in the USAF?
And he's right, it's pretty useless. All it is, is a plane going vertical yet staying vertical and not falling or rising (like hovering vertically) and then swaying back and forth like a cobra does. How is that useful in combat, all it does it show off the thrust vectoring in an unusual manner
And he's right, it's pretty useless. All it is, is a plane going vertical yet staying vertical and not falling or rising (like hovering vertically) and then swaying back and forth like a cobra does. How is that useful in combat, all it does it show off the thrust vectoring in an unusual manner
Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I think he does, he is in the AF. Not sure what his role is though, FEOS, what do you do in the USAF?
And he's right, it's pretty useless. All it is, is a plane going vertical yet staying vertical and not falling or rising (like hovering vertically) and then swaying back and forth like a cobra does. How is that useful in combat, all it does it show off the thrust vectoring in an unusual manner
Thats not useless...Modern Military Aircraft wrote:
Combat Use: The Cobra is more than an air show trick; it enables the "Flanker" pilot to take a snap missile shot at an aircraft directly above or even behind the fighter
Most aircraft and their missiles these days are capable of locking onto an aircraft anywhere above/below/behind them and firing away whilst the missile does all the hard work, you don't really need to be facing your target to take it out. Also the fact that you slow down so much to pull it off really diminishes the whole thing. You're better off just pulling up whilst maintaining at least some speed, if you need to do that.
I'm no expert on this, but it doesn't really seem that useful in modern combat. I suppose there are some 100 page topics somewhere on a dogfighting forum/sim forum about this that talks about it more properly.
I'm no expert on this, but it doesn't really seem that useful in modern combat. I suppose there are some 100 page topics somewhere on a dogfighting forum/sim forum about this that talks about it more properly.