Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7072|UK

Kuffar wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

No. What is getting me down is the Islamification of Europe in general and the UK in particular.

What is getting me down is being called a racist because I won't accept cultural and religious practices that are barbaric and medieval.

In no particular order:

-forced marriage
-female genital mutilation
-honour killing
-the formal subjegation and isolation of women
-the belief that homosexuality should be punished by death
-the belief that a Muslim that leaves Islam must be killed
-that Jews are monkeys and Christians pigs

I could go on.

Are you down with all that?
firstly. 1.3%
Second. Most Muslims I have met in England are actually incredibly British as they are like 2nd or 3rd generation.
thirdly. I have yet to actually hear of any of the above being used or believed or happening in Britain, and when it does happen its by the quacks.

So what was your point again?
Forced marriage
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ma … ommunities

Honour killings
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main … dl0401.xml

Female genital mutilation
http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/FGM~UK

Subjegation of women
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/a … 000798.php
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/002103.php

Homosexuality
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blog … ality.aspx

Apostasy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

Jews and Christians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism

Mate, I'm not making this stuff up. Just do a little search. Read it and weep.
yawn.

3,000 out of 300,000 muslim women, doesnt sound that "widespread" to me.
absolutely no figures for 2nd link, yet it claims it happens all the time. Wow thats some amazing evidence going there.
hasn't happened from doctors since 2000 and there's only two cases of doctors actually doing this for people.
lol at the 4th link, do you actually believe any of that stuff, atleast try to find some unbias source.
o yes something that happens in Iran equates to what happens in the UK.
another link that doesn't actually apply to the UK.
Jews and Christians think pretty much exactly the same thing.

O and you have failed to answer the fact that most Muslims have actually easily merged with the British society.

go actually meet some muslims and come back.

you seem to equate extremist with regular muslim. basically im not going to debate with you at all, its as futile as debating with lowing. infact it wouldn't surprise me if you are lowing.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-09-12 10:18:05)

Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6489|Ireland
Gee, next thing you know people will be able to use money at school without fear of being arrested for it saying " In God we Trust ".
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6825|Πάϊ

Kuffar wrote:

No. What is getting me down is the Islamification of Europe in general and the UK in particular.

What is getting me down is being called a racist because I won't accept cultural and religious practices that are barbaric and medieval.

In no particular order:

-forced marriage
-female genital mutilation
-honour killing
-the formal subjegation and isolation of women
-the belief that homosexuality should be punished by death
-the belief that a Muslim that leaves Islam must be killed
-that Jews are monkeys and Christians pigs

I could go on.

Are you down with all that?
Apart from the last one which is too stupid to even talk about, I have a question about the rest:

How do they affect you? Sure they're barbaric and medieval. But they are practices that stay among them, right?
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6927|London, England

lowing wrote:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20080909-1326-bn09banners.html

you want "scaremongering"? This should scare the fuck outta you, but I know, it will not, it will be dismissed.
It doesn't scare me, It's pretty bad. I guess. Although I think religious symbols and shit should stay out of school full stop. But it doesn't scare me. If it scares you, then you sir, are a fucking pussy!

Of course, it doesn't scare you. And you know it. You're just trying to scare others by telling them they should be scared. Honestly, you're just a low level terrorist. Stop trying to get your message out there through fear. I've seen you do it too many times. I feel sorry for the people that you must gobble up with your bullshit but perhaps they're better off being what you turn them into. However, imo Men like you shouldn't be on this planet.

All Men Are Created Equal, They Are Endowed By Their Creator.”
God didn't create all men Equal, Samuel Colt did.

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-09-12 12:32:51)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6980|Canberra, AUS

Kuffar wrote:

Now you have given up debating and fallen back on insults and smears. You fail.
I'd like you to meet our good friend (lolwut) m3th.

As for the "Islamification of Europe" thing, I see it as overreactionary bullcrap akin to the "Australia is getting swamped by immigrants" tripe... which does not bode well.

Last edited by Spark (2008-09-12 19:12:35)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6957|USA

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20080909-1326-bn09banners.html

you want "scaremongering"? This should scare the fuck outta you, but I know, it will not, it will be dismissed.
It doesn't scare me, It's pretty bad. I guess. Although I think religious symbols and shit should stay out of school full stop. But it doesn't scare me. If it scares you, then you sir, are a fucking pussy!

Of course, it doesn't scare you. And you know it. You're just trying to scare others by telling them they should be scared. Honestly, you're just a low level terrorist. Stop trying to get your message out there through fear. I've seen you do it too many times. I feel sorry for the people that you must gobble up with your bullshit but perhaps they're better off being what you turn them into. However, imo Men like you shouldn't be on this planet.

All Men Are Created Equal, They Are Endowed By Their Creator.”
God didn't create all men Equal, Samuel Colt did.
A cross is a religious symbol, these posters are nothing more than patriotism. What it boils down to is the apologist left has decide patriotism is wrong, and should be banned from school.
CameronPoe
Member
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All references to any 'God' should be eradicated from state insitutions. Period. Fuck religious indoctrination.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-13 08:26:54)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6751|The Land of Scott Walker
Guess we'll have to destroy a lot of historical US documents ...
usmarine
Banned
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CameronPoe wrote:

Fuck religious indoctrination.
did you like JFK as a president?   how about FDR?
CameronPoe
Member
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usmarine wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Fuck religious indoctrination.
did you like JFK as a president?   how about FDR?
Meh. JFK was a cunt for trying to invade Cuba.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Fuck religious indoctrination.
did you like JFK as a president?   how about FDR?
Meh. JFK was a cunt for trying to invade Cuba.
agree but my point was he injected god into a lot of stuff, and he is a god (pun intended) to the libs and left.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6861

usmarine wrote:

agree but my point was he injected god into a lot of stuff, and he is a god (pun intended) to the libs and left.
Well he ain't no 'god' to me.
mikkel
Member
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Obviously all teachers aren't good teachers, but it's sad that even public school systems cannot make rules enforcing the appropriately moderate without being sued. Had this happened in a private business, the employee would've been sacked. The classroom is not the teacher's domain. It's education's domain. Education as interpreted by the school districts.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6957|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

All references to any 'God' should be eradicated from state insitutions. Period. Fuck religious indoctrination.
I'm sorry, I coulda swore you were lecturing to me about your "Christian heritage" in another thread.... Well our patriotism and history, like it or not, is faith based. Faith, reigned over the land for good or bad through out our history, to now dismiss it because some one is offended is pandering, apologetic and PC. Typical leftist activity amd ideology.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6489|Ireland
god, dog, blog, who gives a shit.  Believe, don't believe, say you believe but don't, who give a rats fucking ass.

People amaze me.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6927|London, England
My blog made your blog
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6957|USA

Lotta_Drool wrote:

god, dog, blog, who gives a shit.  Believe, don't believe, say you believe but don't, who give a rats fucking ass.

People amaze me.
It is an issue because the "offended" and its apologist left lapdogs want to erase over 200 years of American history, tradition and pride.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6927|London, England
You may view it as erasing history, tradition and pride but others can view it as progress.

Shitting in the woods can also be seen as part of humanities glorious history and tradition but the toilet is a shining example of progress. I think that's a fitting alternate example.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6957|USA

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

You may view it as erasing history, tradition and pride but others can view it as progress.

Shitting in the woods can also be seen as part of humanities glorious history and tradition but the toilet is a shining example of progress. I think that's a fitting alternate example.
I see, so we can safely do away with black history month, 4th of July, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, MLK Day, all because we are "progressing" and we should see no need to honor where we came from or the "progress" we have made in comparison to now.

Yeah, just the kinda thinking of a person who I want to be in charge.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6489|Ireland

lowing wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

god, dog, blog, who gives a shit.  Believe, don't believe, say you believe but don't, who give a rats fucking ass.

People amaze me.
It is an issue because the "offended" and its apologist left lapdogs want to erase over 200 years of American history, tradition and pride.
That is what I am talking about.  I don't believe but always side with the religious because the whiners are just that, whiners. 

I don't believe and don't give a shit, why the hell would anyone else.  Hell the whining pisses me off so much I would support putting " in Jesus we trust " on the dollar just to give them a real reason to piss and moan.

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2008-09-13 12:46:08)

Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6927|London, England

lowing wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

You may view it as erasing history, tradition and pride but others can view it as progress.

Shitting in the woods can also be seen as part of humanities glorious history and tradition but the toilet is a shining example of progress. I think that's a fitting alternate example.
I see, so we can safely do away with black history month, 4th of July, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, MLK Day, all because we are "progressing" and we should see no need to honor where we came from or the "progress" we have made in comparison to now.

Yeah, just the kinda thinking of a person who I want to be in charge.
Honouring a day like Independence/Veterans/Memorial is different than clinging onto Religion and making sure it stays important. Abandonment or making religion less important in a country can be seen as a sign of progress to some as religion is often thought of as an archaic/old school of thought. If anything, the days that you mentioned (except xmas/religious holidays) are infact days that celebrate progress. Whether that's celebrating independence from a foreign power or winning a war or giving people rights etc..

It's not quite the same as holding onto religion.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6489|Ireland

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

You may view it as erasing history, tradition and pride but others can view it as progress.

Shitting in the woods can also be seen as part of humanities glorious history and tradition but the toilet is a shining example of progress. I think that's a fitting alternate example.
I see, so we can safely do away with black history month, 4th of July, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, MLK Day, all because we are "progressing" and we should see no need to honor where we came from or the "progress" we have made in comparison to now.

Yeah, just the kinda thinking of a person who I want to be in charge.
Honouring a day like Independence/Veterans/Memorial is different than clinging onto Religion and making sure it stays important. Abandonment or making religion less important in a country can be seen as a sign of progress to some as religion is often thought of as an archaic/old school of thought. If anything, the days that you mentioned (except xmas/religious holidays) are infact days that celebrate progress. Whether that's celebrating independence from a foreign power or winning a war or giving people rights etc..

It's not quite the same as holding onto religion.
Some people need something to believe in, thus the generic God statements.  You should protest something that really matters, like Telly-Tubbies.

If it is a pointless concept too you, treat it that way.  I hate Rocky Road Ice cream, yet somehow have never felt the need to try to take it away from others.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6968|USA

lowing wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

god, dog, blog, who gives a shit.  Believe, don't believe, say you believe but don't, who give a rats fucking ass.

People amaze me.
It is an issue because the "offended" and its apologist left lapdogs want to erase over 200 years of American history, tradition and pride.
Yes taking down phrases with the word God in it erases the revolutionary war and the constitution. We shall have anarchy if those banners come down.

There is always private schools.

"You have choice when it comes to education"-Rudy "9-11" Gulianiaginiinini
CameronPoe
Member
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lowing wrote:

I'm sorry, I coulda swore you were lecturing to me about your "Christian heritage" in another thread.... Well our patriotism and history, like it or not, is faith based. Faith, reigned over the land for good or bad through out our history, to now dismiss it because some one is offended is pandering, apologetic and PC. Typical leftist activity amd ideology.
Am I a state institution? Nope. Am I a government of a modern purportedly secular nation? Nope. The history of your nation is about freedom of religion, not freedom to indoctrinate others. Well that's what I gathered from reading the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, which I picked up copies of in Boston recently.

Typical 'rightist activity and ideology' in the US seems to be to shove Christianity down people's throats: similar to countries like Saudi Arabia where Islam is shoved down people's throats.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6489|Ireland

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I'm sorry, I coulda swore you were lecturing to me about your "Christian heritage" in another thread.... Well our patriotism and history, like it or not, is faith based. Faith, reigned over the land for good or bad through out our history, to now dismiss it because some one is offended is pandering, apologetic and PC. Typical leftist activity amd ideology.
Am I a state institution? Nope. Am I a government of a modern purportedly secular nation? Nope. The history of your nation is about freedom of religion, not freedom to indoctrinate others. Well that's what I gathered from reading the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, which I picked up copies of in Boston recently.

Typical 'rightist activity and ideology' in the US seems to be to shove Christianity down people's throats: similar to countries like Saudi Arabia where Islam is shoved down people's throats.
God is Christian now.  You rock!

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