lowing
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http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13742


I thought you guys insisting on voting for him for every reason except his qualifications would be interested.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
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Arguing over McCain and O'bama is like arguing over which model of a 12 guage shot gun you want to be blasted in the head with.

Does it really fucking matter, they will both do the same fucking thing.  Trust me.  Don't support stupidity.  Vote for change, anyone but the parties ran by the Central Bank.
.Sup
be nice
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

Arguing over McCain and O'bama is like arguing over which model of a 12 guage shot gun you want to be blasted in the head with.

Does it really fucking matter, they will both do the same fucking thing.  Trust me.  Don't support stupidity.  Vote for change, anyone but the parties ran by the Central Bank.
Who would you like to see win the election if all the candidates were still "candidates".
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lowing
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

Arguing over McCain and O'bama is like arguing over which model of a 12 guage shot gun you want to be blasted in the head with.

Does it really fucking matter, they will both do the same fucking thing.  Trust me.  Don't support stupidity.  Vote for change, anyone but the parties ran by the Central Bank.
I have libertarian tendencies in my thinking, as soon as libertarian is a major ticket that party will get my vote, until then I will have to be content with the lesser of 2 evils, and that is NOT a liberal democrat.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6153|Ireland

.Sup wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Arguing over McCain and O'bama is like arguing over which model of a 12 gauge shot gun you want to be blasted in the head with.

Does it really fucking matter, they will both do the same fucking thing.  Trust me.  Don't support stupidity.  Vote for change, anyone but the parties ran by the Central Bank.
Who would you like to see win the election if all the candidates were still "candidates".
Ron Paul may have reformed the Republican party.  He obviously was not controlled by anyone and based his judgments on logic, reality, and US interests.

I will personally be voting for either the Constitution presidential candidate (don't know who that is and don't care), Perot, or Ron Paul for president.

As for the rest, I will vote Constitution Party and then anyone other than the two major parties and if those are my only choices I will vote against the incumbent.
lowing
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Hmmmmmmmm, not many Obamamaniacs seem to be able to come running to his defense in this thread
PureFodder
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lowing wrote:

Hmmmmmmmm, not many Obamamaniacs seem to be able to come running to his defense in this thread
Ability to speak fluently without a script isn't an overly important factor in a leader. Where the candidate stands in issues is.

Maybe people actually care more about the issues than the presentation?
Braddock
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+916|6260|Éire
Great website lowing. Got that one in your favourites?
Braddock
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+916|6260|Éire

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hmmmmmmmm, not many Obamamaniacs seem to be able to come running to his defense in this thread
Ability to speak fluently without a script isn't an overly important factor in a leader. Where the candidate stands in issues is.

Maybe people actually care more about the issues than the presentation?
Well America has just had the best part of the last decade with a guy who can't speak well with or without a teleprompter so what would be the difference?
lowing
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PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hmmmmmmmm, not many Obamamaniacs seem to be able to come running to his defense in this thread
Ability to speak fluently without a script isn't an overly important factor in a leader. Where the candidate stands in issues is.

Maybe people actually care more about the issues than the presentation?
I could by that except if I truely beleived in a cause or an issue, I would not need to read my thoughts on it from a teleprompter.

Also if what you say is true, Obama will the first candidate in history to get a pass for his presentation. I wonder why that is?
lowing
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Braddock wrote:

Great website lowing. Got that one in your favourites?
Any chance you are going to dispute the validity of the article or just insult the source because it is all you can do?
oChaos.Haze
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lowing wrote:

until then I will have to be content with the lesser of 2 evils, and that is NOT a liberal democrat.
Hate to burst your bubble but it absolutely is.  You think in terms of personal, while anyone with a brain thinks in terms of EVERYONE.  Obama may not be great, and I am not an Obama fanboy, but to say he's not the lesser of 2 evils is asinine.
lowing
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oChaos.Haze wrote:

lowing wrote:

until then I will have to be content with the lesser of 2 evils, and that is NOT a liberal democrat.
Hate to burst your bubble but it absolutely is.  You think in terms of personal, while anyone with a brain thinks in terms of EVERYONE.  Obama may not be great, and I am not an Obama fanboy, but to say he's not the lesser of 2 evils is asinine.
Wow, ya nailed me, I do think of personal. MY personal finances, My personal education, MY personal retirement, MY personal medical, MY personal achievments, MY personal failures, MY personal problems, MY personal solutions. I do not want to be involved in YOUR personal problems and I do not want you involved in mine. I can solve my own issues, sorry if you are not smart enough to get you out of whatever situation you got yourself into.

Everyone with a brain is a socialist and a liberal. Now that is some funny shit.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6153|Ireland
I must admit, I am very conservative and would vote for O'bama before I'd vote for McCain.  McCain is a disgrace to his country for his pandering to illegal immigration and supporting the breaking of US laws and the destruction of the border in his home state.

As a former US serviceman I am ashamed of him and his lack of concern for my country.
ReTox
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Anyone who's done a lot of public speaking will tell you that you need prompts.  You need cue cards or something.  That isn't to say you don't know the material, it's for being sure you hit on all the points you mean to.  Obama seems to want to try to minimize the times problems arise from using a teleprompter and that's commendable.

Some may think he has some ulterior motive: "oh noes I must hidez my failingz!!!11Lolerz" but I don't see it like that.  He's trying to be as prepared as he can be.

It doesn't matter anyway... voting for Obama or McCain is simply shaking the left or right hand of the same devil.
PureFodder
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lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hmmmmmmmm, not many Obamamaniacs seem to be able to come running to his defense in this thread
Ability to speak fluently without a script isn't an overly important factor in a leader. Where the candidate stands in issues is.

Maybe people actually care more about the issues than the presentation?
I could by that except if I truely beleived in a cause or an issue, I would not need to read my thoughts on it from a teleprompter.

Also if what you say is true, Obama will the first candidate in history to get a pass for his presentation. I wonder why that is?
Why must someone who cares about something automatically be able to talk well on the subject. I know people who really care about their research but couldn't give a half decent talk on it even with a script.

Personally I'd be happy to dispense with all of the speaches and interviews and get a written statements of policies.

You have to ask yourself do you care more about a candidates policies or oral presentation skills? Preferably both, but given a choice I'd take policies any day.
Vax
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PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hmmmmmmmm, not many Obamamaniacs seem to be able to come running to his defense in this thread
Ability to speak fluently without a script isn't an overly important factor in a leader. Where the candidate stands in issues is.

Maybe people actually care more about the issues than the presentation?
Sure the issues are the foundation, but some of us take the presentation as part of the personality, which goes to character. Which is also important.
Look at how alienating Bush has been; I think it's in part his policies, but also in part his uncommunicative arrogance. 
A couple years into the Iraq war it seemed like much of the country couldn't even understand why we were there. Some eloquence might have gone a long way in, if not justifying it, at least getting the message out about the reasoning.
Instead half of americans and much of the world now thinks we lie to start wars so we can make imperialist oil grabs and give fat gov't contracts to halliburton. 


maybe not the best example, but I'm just trying to show how being articulate is important in a president.
topthrill05
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Ah now I sure won't vote for Obama.

Your fucking crazy Lowing.
Roc18
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I never knew that telepromters were used in speeches wtf. Barack seemed pretty comfortable during the faith forum though, so I dont know why he needs to depend on teleprompters. Or is it because the faith forum was a calm discussion and not a debate? Either way im surprised.
lowing
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topthrill05 wrote:

Ah now I sure won't vote for Obama.

Your fucking crazy Lowing.
I see, all of a sudden not being able to think on your feet and be articulate in front of an audiance is no longer important. It sure seemed to be a problem with Bush.

The fact that he needs to be typed what to say and when to say it says nothing more than he has no idea what the fuck he thinks. If he were speaking from the heart and spoke what he truely felt, he would be able to do so without the help of a machine.


Liberals were in an uprage when your boy got caught finger fucking around while trying to answer questions he was not tutered to, so much so you had to accuse McCain of cheating.

Oh rest assured I have every confidence you will vote for Obama just like every other liberal, since race and "change" that still has not been made clear is more important than issues.
ReTox
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lowing wrote:

topthrill05 wrote:

Ah now I sure won't vote for Obama.

Your fucking crazy Lowing.
I see, all of a sudden not being able to think on your feet and be articulate in front of an audiance is no longer important. It sure seemed to be a problem with Bush.
Clinton was a terrific public speaker... doesn't mean he was a good president.

Bush got nailed for his speaking because he was a total twit to begin with and only made himself look more the tool when he opened his mouth.
lowing
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ReTox wrote:

lowing wrote:

topthrill05 wrote:

Ah now I sure won't vote for Obama.

Your fucking crazy Lowing.
I see, all of a sudden not being able to think on your feet and be articulate in front of an audiance is no longer important. It sure seemed to be a problem with Bush.
Clinton was a terrific public speaker... doesn't mean he was a good president.

Bush got nailed for his speaking because he was a total twit to begin with and only made himself look more the tool when he opened his mouth.
and Obama wh ocan not think without being typed what to say? What of him?
ReTox
Member
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lowing wrote:

ReTox wrote:

lowing wrote:

I see, all of a sudden not being able to think on your feet and be articulate in front of an audiance is no longer important. It sure seemed to be a problem with Bush.
Clinton was a terrific public speaker... doesn't mean he was a good president.

Bush got nailed for his speaking because he was a total twit to begin with and only made himself look more the tool when he opened his mouth.
and Obama wh ocan not think without being typed what to say? What of him?
I read about his lying and realize he's just like all the rest.  A corrupt corporate cock sucking politician.  Doesn't matter which side you choose, left or right.  It's the same beast.  The voting public should realize that by now.

-> Politics:  From the Latin "POLY" meaning many; and TICKS being small blood sucking insects.
Turquoise
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I've got even greater news....  The American Spectator is like Bill O'Reilly on crack, so you can pretty much ignore the waste of bandwidth linked in the OP.
God Save the Queen
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Turquoise wrote:

I've got even greater news....  The American Spectator is like Bill O'Reilly on crack, so you can pretty much ignore the waste of bandwidth linked in the OP.
thats all I really needed to read.

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