FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6857|'Murka

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:

I don't recall seeing any pro-Georgia or anti-Russia advertisements on Fox lately...
It doesn't have to be as black and white as that, I'm not claiming there is some sort of strange company out there that simply hates Russia and advertises this fact on FOX. As an example imagine a large oil company advertises on a news station and the oil company has ties to a lobby group pushing for conflict in a region that will result in oil prices being driven up, this alone could provide reason enough for the station to favour news stories that lean towards and advocate conflict in this region (possibly painting one side out to be the bad guys on a continual basis).
Go see Dilbert. He's got a tinfoil hat you can borrow.
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Turquoise
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imortal wrote:

.Sup wrote:

FEOS wrote:


It's called making money.

Networks make money via selling advertising time.
In this case its called censorship.
They didn't have to put her on the air in the first place.  Not censorship.  Besides, only goverments censor.  Companies "prioritize content."
Unless they're doing it at the behest of the government.  Granted, I'm not saying that Fox is doing that (although they did act essentially as an organ of the government in the past).
Braddock
Agitator
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FEOS wrote:

Life must be extremely unpleasant to be such an utter pessimist.
Having a healthy dose of pessimism is better than being full of unrealistic optimism, it helps you deal with the realities of the world better.

FEOS wrote:

No I'm not claiming that they're making anything up. Hence, no claims in my post of that. Not sure why you would ask it, if I didn't even imply it.
It was just that you stressed the fact that they were South Ossetians as though that in some way detracted from the truth of what they were saying about what happened to them.
Clark W Griswald
Banned
+15|6846|Chicago

.Sup wrote:

I believe if that woman and the girl were praising the Georgians that "commercial" would not had happened.
A)  The woman knows nothing.  Sheer emotions, not fact.

B)  It appears you do not know how TV works.  It is all on timers.  It will go to commercial whether you like it or not.  Only the producer can override the commercial breaks.  And that only happens once and a while.
.Sup
be nice
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Turquoise wrote:

imortal wrote:

.Sup wrote:


In this case its called censorship.
They didn't have to put her on the air in the first place.  Not censorship.  Besides, only goverments censor.  Companies "prioritize content."
Unless they're doing it at the behest of the government.  Granted, I'm not saying that Fox is doing that (although they did act essentially as an organ of the government in the past).
I was just about to say something similar. The big TV news companies are big because they praise certain politicians which later reach a very important position in certain country's government. That politician later thanks them by supporting the TV company. For instance donates money or invests in the company. The TV station later posts news that are in favor of those politicians. And if the politician says its Russia's fault for suffering of those Ossetian people then the TV station must support him by not allowing praising the Russians (telling the truth).
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Braddock
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FEOS wrote:

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:

I don't recall seeing any pro-Georgia or anti-Russia advertisements on Fox lately...
It doesn't have to be as black and white as that, I'm not claiming there is some sort of strange company out there that simply hates Russia and advertises this fact on FOX. As an example imagine a large oil company advertises on a news station and the oil company has ties to a lobby group pushing for conflict in a region that will result in oil prices being driven up, this alone could provide reason enough for the station to favour news stories that lean towards and advocate conflict in this region (possibly painting one side out to be the bad guys on a continual basis).
Go see Dilbert. He's got a tinfoil hat you can borrow.
So would FOX run a story about Rupert Murdoch if he were involved in some form of illegal or immoral activity? Don't be naive FEOS, recognising that the almighty dollar trumps all in most big industries does not equate to conspiracy theorising. Big business looks out for those that pay.
Turquoise
O Canada
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.Sup wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

imortal wrote:


They didn't have to put her on the air in the first place.  Not censorship.  Besides, only goverments censor.  Companies "prioritize content."
Unless they're doing it at the behest of the government.  Granted, I'm not saying that Fox is doing that (although they did act essentially as an organ of the government in the past).
I was just about to say something similar. The big TV news companies are big because they praise certain politicians which later reach a very important position in certain country's government. That politician later thanks them by supporting the TV company. For instance donates money or invests in the company. The TV station later posts news that are in favor of those politicians. And if the politician says its Russia's fault for suffering of those Ossetian people then the TV station must support him by not allowing praising the Russians (telling the truth).
I wouldn't say all of our media is like that (it actually tends to work the other way around most of the time), but Fox is the most sketchy in its connections to government.

One thing to remember though is that the aunt had just as much of an agenda as Fox does.  She's clearly biased in her own right.
.Sup
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Turquoise wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Unless they're doing it at the behest of the government.  Granted, I'm not saying that Fox is doing that (although they did act essentially as an organ of the government in the past).
I was just about to say something similar. The big TV news companies are big because they praise certain politicians which later reach a very important position in certain country's government. That politician later thanks them by supporting the TV company. For instance donates money or invests in the company. The TV station later posts news that are in favor of those politicians. And if the politician says its Russia's fault for suffering of those Ossetian people then the TV station must support him by not allowing praising the Russians (telling the truth).
I wouldn't say all of our media is like that (it actually tends to work the other way around most of the time), but Fox is the most sketchy in its connections to government.

One thing to remember though is that the aunt had just as much of an agenda as Fox does.  She's clearly biased in her own right.
Not all TV stations but I got the felling FOX news is one of those. The aunt might really be biased but the girl saying bombs came from the Georgians is true imo.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

.Sup wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

.Sup wrote:


I was just about to say something similar. The big TV news companies are big because they praise certain politicians which later reach a very important position in certain country's government. That politician later thanks them by supporting the TV company. For instance donates money or invests in the company. The TV station later posts news that are in favor of those politicians. And if the politician says its Russia's fault for suffering of those Ossetian people then the TV station must support him by not allowing praising the Russians (telling the truth).
I wouldn't say all of our media is like that (it actually tends to work the other way around most of the time), but Fox is the most sketchy in its connections to government.

One thing to remember though is that the aunt had just as much of an agenda as Fox does.  She's clearly biased in her own right.
Not all TV stations but I got the felling FOX news is one of those. The aunt might really be biased but the girl saying bombs came from the Georgians is true imo.
I would think that the girl's comment is easier to prove or disprove and is more based in fact, so I agree.  And yeah, Fox does tend to be the most propagandic of our news sources.
Braddock
Agitator
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Turquoise wrote:

One thing to remember though is that the aunt had just as much of an agenda as Fox does.  She's clearly biased in her own right.
I completely agree. Outside of the specific situation they were involved in you can dismiss everything she says as her own bias and not many could argue with you. It's what they have to say in relation to the bombing raid they were caught up in that is important and it yet again points to Georgia being the aggressor in this war.

And while I think the Russians have gone way off the deep end in their response I still feel it would be pure folly to potentially embark on WW3 in the name of backing up an aggressor, Georgia have made their bed and now they can lie in it.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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I have yet to find a media outlet that doesn't put it's own editorial spin on a story. Some are of course worse than others.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Braddock wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

One thing to remember though is that the aunt had just as much of an agenda as Fox does.  She's clearly biased in her own right.
I completely agree. Outside of the specific situation they were involved in you can dismiss everything she says as her own bias and not many could argue with you. It's what they have to say in relation to the bombing raid they were caught up in that is important and it yet again points to Georgia being the aggressor in this war.

And while I think the Russians have gone way off the deep end in their response I still feel it would be pure folly to potentially embark on WW3 in the name of backing up an aggressor, Georgia have made their bed and now they can lie in it.
I totally agree.  This is why we need to ditch them as an ally.  All these former Soviet republics can help themselves from here on.
.Sup
be nice
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Turquoise wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

One thing to remember though is that the aunt had just as much of an agenda as Fox does.  She's clearly biased in her own right.
I completely agree. Outside of the specific situation they were involved in you can dismiss everything she says as her own bias and not many could argue with you. It's what they have to say in relation to the bombing raid they were caught up in that is important and it yet again points to Georgia being the aggressor in this war.

And while I think the Russians have gone way off the deep end in their response I still feel it would be pure folly to potentially embark on WW3 in the name of backing up an aggressor, Georgia have made their bed and now they can lie in it.
I totally agree.  This is why we need to ditch them as an ally.  All these former Soviet republics can help themselves from here on.
I believe they are US's allies cos of the gas coming through Georgian soil. I might be wrong.
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imortal
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.Sup wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

.Sup wrote:


I was just about to say something similar. The big TV news companies are big because they praise certain politicians which later reach a very important position in certain country's government. That politician later thanks them by supporting the TV company. For instance donates money or invests in the company. The TV station later posts news that are in favor of those politicians. And if the politician says its Russia's fault for suffering of those Ossetian people then the TV station must support him by not allowing praising the Russians (telling the truth).
I wouldn't say all of our media is like that (it actually tends to work the other way around most of the time), but Fox is the most sketchy in its connections to government.

One thing to remember though is that the aunt had just as much of an agenda as Fox does.  She's clearly biased in her own right.
Not all TV stations but I got the felling FOX news is one of those. The aunt might really be biased but the girl saying bombs came from the Georgians is true imo.
I am not saying if you are right or wrong, but it sounds like you are basing what you believe on what you want to be true.  No worries, most of us are guilty of that at times.
Braddock
Agitator
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Is it really even up for debate anymore whether or not Georgia started this conflict by trying to recapture South Ossetia? The media here in Europe have made it clear it was Georgia who threw the first stone, it's just that certain networks and news agencies seem happier to put more emphasis on Russia being bad guys in the aftermath rather on than who started the whole thing in the first place (I wonder how many innocent civilians Georgia killed in their opening attacks).

What is the US media's take on things currently, are they saying Georgia or Russia started it?

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Clark W Griswald
Banned
+15|6846|Chicago

Braddock wrote:

Is it really even up for debate anymore whether or not Georgia started this conflict by trying to recapture South Ossetia? The media here in Europe have made it clear it was Georgia who threw the first stone, it's just that certain networks and news agencies seem happier to put more emphasis on Russia being bad guys in the aftermath rather on than who started the whole thing in the first place (I wonder how many innocent civilians Georgia killed in their opening attacks).

What is the US media's take on things currently, are they saying Georgia or Russia started it?
I think it has something to do with Russia controlling most of Europe's oil.  You might have to warm up to that fact.
.Sup
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imortal wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


I wouldn't say all of our media is like that (it actually tends to work the other way around most of the time), but Fox is the most sketchy in its connections to government.

One thing to remember though is that the aunt had just as much of an agenda as Fox does.  She's clearly biased in her own right.
Not all TV stations but I got the felling FOX news is one of those. The aunt might really be biased but the girl saying bombs came from the Georgians is true imo.
I am not saying if you are right or wrong, but it sounds like you are basing what you believe on what you want to be true.  No worries, most of us are guilty of that at times.
I'm just saying how I see all this. At first it seemed the big repressor Russia is invading weaker countries again. But now I've come to realize Georgian president is the one to be blamed for this war.
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Braddock
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Clark W Griswald wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Is it really even up for debate anymore whether or not Georgia started this conflict by trying to recapture South Ossetia? The media here in Europe have made it clear it was Georgia who threw the first stone, it's just that certain networks and news agencies seem happier to put more emphasis on Russia being bad guys in the aftermath rather on than who started the whole thing in the first place (I wonder how many innocent civilians Georgia killed in their opening attacks).

What is the US media's take on things currently, are they saying Georgia or Russia started it?
I think it has something to do with Russia controlling most of Europe's oil.  You might have to warm up to that fact.
That doesn't really answer the question though, does it? I was asking who they are blaming for the starting of the conflict.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6441|Truthistan
Fox has mistakenly brought us some real news!!! LOL they had to screw up to do it too!!! ROFL
I bet someone got a tongue lashing for not vetting those interviewees on what they were going to say. It kind of reminds me of the testimony given to Congress by a little girl just before the gulf war where the little girl said that Iraqi soldiers were taking babies out of incubators and laying them on the cold cement floor of the hospital and then stealing the incubators. In that case the little girl was the daughter of a kuwati diplomat and she was in the US at the time the Iraqi invasion. Huge lies to congress on that one

So my point is that the girl and her aunt could be liars, but they are probably telling the truth.
News reports have stated that the Georgians moved in to the regoin to reassert themself in South Ossettia which would mean attacking Russian peace keepers (forces).

This all sounds like planned ethnic cleansing by the Georgians to me.

Anyway, Georgia poked the sleeping bear and now they are getting f*cked in the A$$.... good luck getting Russia out now.
So much for the news reports about how well equipped the Georgians were and how they would whip the Russians in a fight, I guess that was more BS propaganda news that we get here in the US.


I believe that there are groups in Russia and the neo-cons in the US that would like to see a return to the bipolar world of the the cold war where they had the power of empires.

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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Braddock wrote:

Clark W Griswald wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Is it really even up for debate anymore whether or not Georgia started this conflict by trying to recapture South Ossetia? The media here in Europe have made it clear it was Georgia who threw the first stone, it's just that certain networks and news agencies seem happier to put more emphasis on Russia being bad guys in the aftermath rather on than who started the whole thing in the first place (I wonder how many innocent civilians Georgia killed in their opening attacks).

What is the US media's take on things currently, are they saying Georgia or Russia started it?
I think it has something to do with Russia controlling most of Europe's oil.  You might have to warm up to that fact.
That doesn't really answer the question though, does it? I was asking who they are blaming for the starting of the conflict.
What I've seen is that some sources blame the Russians while others remain mostly neutral.
Braddock
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Turquoise wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Clark W Griswald wrote:


I think it has something to do with Russia controlling most of Europe's oil.  You might have to warm up to that fact.
That doesn't really answer the question though, does it? I was asking who they are blaming for the starting of the conflict.
What I've seen is that some sources blame the Russians while others remain mostly neutral.
Do these sources make any reference to the fact that Georgia supposedly opened the conflict with their attempt to reclaim South Ossetia? I have also heard that Ballsackashvili had been making light of his intention to re-invade South Ossetia prior to the assault.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command

Braddock wrote:

Here is a clip of a 12 year old American girl from the Bay Area being interviewed on FOX News after being caught up in bomb attacks while visiting the South Ossetian region. The interview is going quite well until she mentions a few things that FOX don't appear to want to hear...

I watched the clip last night.

If fox is so biased, why did they the ladies 30 seconds to say whatever they wanted?

The numbskulls broads wasted 5-10 of those 30 seconds looking at the camera with slack jaws and hints of droll coming from their mouths.

This is obviously started by the Georgians, and they are stupid assholes for doing it and thinking we would go to war with Russia over it.


Before we try and remove the splinter from Russias eye we need to remove the tree from our own.

Unless the expectation is for Russia to bow like dogs when we bomb their former states ( Kosovo ) and deploy " missile shields " in their backyards then the world better prepare for major shit in the Balkans.


We act like we can do whatever the hell we feel like. We have been pushy, condescending and belligerent. If I hear one more American politician describe us as the sole super power I will go insane. 


We still have MAD, what the fuck do we care what Russia does to Russians? Georgians were Russian up until a few years ago, were they not?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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I've seen much worse. They were at least kind enough to allow her a second chance to spit out her opinion after the commercial break. Her personal position was made clear to the viewer.
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.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6900|The Twilight Zone

ATG wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Here is a clip of a 12 year old American girl from the Bay Area being interviewed on FOX News after being caught up in bomb attacks while visiting the South Ossetian region. The interview is going quite well until she mentions a few things that FOX don't appear to want to hear...

I watched the clip last night.

If fox is so biased, why did they the ladies 30 seconds to say whatever they wanted?

The numbskulls broads wasted 5-10 of those 30 seconds looking at the camera with slack jaws and hints of droll coming from their mouths.

This is obviously started by the Georgians, and they are stupid assholes for doing it and thinking we would go to war with Russia over it.


Before we try and remove the splinter from Russias eye we need to remove the tree from our own.

Unless the expectation is for Russia to bow like dogs when we bomb their former states ( Kosovo ) and deploy " missile shields " in their backyards then the world better prepare for major shit in the Balkans.


We act like we can do whatever the hell we feel like. We have been pushy, condescending and belligerent. If I hear one more American politician describe us as the sole super power I will go insane. 


We still have MAD, what the fuck do we care what Russia does to Russians? Georgians were Russian up until a few years ago, were they not?
ATG Kosovo was never Russian.
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Turquoise
O Canada
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Braddock wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Braddock wrote:


That doesn't really answer the question though, does it? I was asking who they are blaming for the starting of the conflict.
What I've seen is that some sources blame the Russians while others remain mostly neutral.
Do these sources make any reference to the fact that Georgia supposedly opened the conflict with their attempt to reclaim South Ossetia? I have also heard that Ballsackashvili had been making light of his intention to re-invade South Ossetia prior to the assault.
True...  and while I agree with you that Georgia now seems mostly at fault here, you still have to admit that this was a long time coming.  As far as the coverage goes, it's mostly the neutral sources that have mentioned the Georgian attack.

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