wilber69
Member
+8|7013
BlisteringSilence, ComradeWho &  Terrible_Chester.....You have all taught me so much about;
1. Americans
2. Wake Island
3. Forum Debates

It has left me with this thought.  'What the f*ck am I doing reading this on a sunny Saturday morning!'

Ta la.
agent_zero_00
Member
+0|7041
hey BTW... this is a video game...get over yourselves...
DasCapital
Member
+0|7085|Melbourne, AUS
Agent_zero is right: we play a video game! This does not give us any right to pass comment on the real events on Wake Island in WW2.

I suggest that ComradeWho et al pull their heads in and take their bullshit theories elsewhere.

Just my $0.02
WiBu
Member
+14|7036
Why should he care about an event in the past or place that has no bearing on how he will live his life whatsoever?

*Puts flame retardant clothes on*

Last edited by WiBu (2006-03-04 05:04:23)

Chowley
Member
+1|7066|Ireland

NemeSiS-Factor wrote:

The city of Dalian, China is no where near the coast.  How could it be real?
Dalian is right next to the water its like its on a penninsula.
pokerplaya
want to go heads up?
+11|7114|cairns australia

The_Mob_Returns wrote:

So, if you want me to read up on Australian history, so that I have a better understanding of it, do you have any book title suggestions?

Or will any general history book on Australia do?
http://www.nla.gov.au/oz/histsite.html
here is a good place to start.
John-Paul
Member
+4|7032|Victoria, Australia
What a fucked-up thread.

Too many people seem to be confusing knowledge with intelligence. Having knowledge about a certain subject doesn't guarantee you're intelligent. Similarly, lacking knowledge about a certain subject doesn't mean you lack intelligence. This is why true IQ tests are not knowledge-based. Rather, they test cognitive capabilities so that, independent of factors such as age, the extent of one's education, etc. you can still demonstrate a very high IQ. Hell, I've got an old copy of The Guinness Book of Records that states the highest IQ ever recorded was demonstrated by a 4-year-old (210 on the Terman Index).

The idea that the original poster is stupid simply because he had previously not known Wake was real is, itself, utterly stupid. Unless someone here can demonstrate that they were born with the knowledge that Wake Island is a real place, then I'd say, "Well, somewhere, at some point in time, you had to LEARN of its existence. You weren't necessarily stupid beforehand, nor intelligent afterward ... and the point at which you did learn the information is of no consequence." The same applies to the OP.

I'm Australian and I've known about Wake ever since I was very young. Doesn't mean I'm smart and the OP is dumb ... it's a lot more to do with the fact my Dad's a WWII buff.

Why flame and ridicule the guy simply because the information was new to him and he was unaware it was well-known to so many others? Do you have any reason for it other than to try and present yourself as superior?
spacepelle
Kniven Gaffeln Skeden
+37|7045|Sweden

Terrible_chester wrote:

you little bitches and your anti-american bullshit make me sick. Especially those of you who are american. pussy fucktards.

the whole point of this is that you would -think- in a fucking war game forum that it would be common knowledge that all the maps in this war game are based around real places...that was part of the appeal of it for me. but all you bitch made america haters want to make it about americans thinking there parts in WW2 are the most important (never mind that they WERE the most important you fucks) when that isnt even what its about.
i hate you.
Esker
Member
+1|7107

John-Paul wrote:

What a fucked-up thread.

Too many people seem to be confusing knowledge with intelligence. Having knowledge about a certain subject doesn't guarantee you're intelligent. Similarly, lacking knowledge about a certain subject doesn't mean you lack intelligence. This is why true IQ tests are not knowledge-based. Rather, they test cognitive capabilities so that, independent of factors such as age, the extent of one's education, etc. you can still demonstrate a very high IQ. Hell, I've got an old copy of The Guinness Book of Records that states the highest IQ ever recorded was demonstrated by a 4-year-old (210 on the Terman Index).

The idea that the original poster is stupid simply because he had previously not known Wake was real is, itself, utterly stupid. Unless someone here can demonstrate that they were born with the knowledge that Wake Island is a real place, then I'd say, "Well, somewhere, at some point in time, you had to LEARN of its existence. You weren't necessarily stupid beforehand, nor intelligent afterward ... and the point at which you did learn the information is of no consequence." The same applies to the OP.

I'm Australian and I've known about Wake ever since I was very young. Doesn't mean I'm smart and the OP is dumb ... it's a lot more to do with the fact my Dad's a WWII buff.

Why flame and ridicule the guy simply because the information was new to him and he was unaware it was well-known to so many others? Do you have any reason for it other than to try and present yourself as superior?
You'd be suprised how many people actually do mistake knowledge for intellect. Infact, I'd go as far to say that everyone does actually make that mistake when judging someone.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7217

WiBu wrote:

Why should he care about an event in the past or place that has no bearing on how he will live his life whatsoever?

*Puts flame retardant clothes on*
most people will admit that history effects us all. live and learn or just live.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7217

WormGuts wrote:

InviSniper wrote:

NemeSiS-Factor wrote:

The city of Dalian, China is no where near the coast.  How could it be real?
Perhaps the "shore" is a large lake.
A large lake?  How'd they get the aircraft carrier in the lake?  Airlift it in?
ooh ooh I know I know They used a cronos phere !
Tetn1s
Member
+59|7022|Los Angeles
Im 11 and i knew that... but hes from Australia of course hes not going to know japans and americans 1942 history?
RECONDO67
Member
+60|7016|miami FL
kids u better learn ur history and geography
stop surfing the web for porn and ead some books aor watch the history channel
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|7143

WormGuts wrote:

InviSniper wrote:

NemeSiS-Factor wrote:

The city of Dalian, China is no where near the coast.  How could it be real?
Perhaps the "shore" is a large lake.
A large lake?  How'd they get the aircraft carrier in the lake?  Airlift it in?
It is in the future
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|7143

I love this thread.
1stLt.MikeUSAF
Member
+3|7015

=TFS=DEVILS.HITMAN wrote:

All of the maps on BF2 exist look them up on google earth
Mashtuur? Karkand? Ghost Town? I don't think so.
Jakethe8lf
Member
+13|7021|Victoria, Australia
1. Wake Island, is not mentioned, or referenced at all during high school level World War 2 history in Australia.

2. The only place that American's have directly saved the lives of Australian's (to my knowledge), during the Pacific War, was in New Guinea, it is impossible to tell what would've happened if Japanese Navy had taken the Pacific.

3. Australia's armed forces view the United States as a valuable ally, and are far from "ingrateful".
VeNg3nCe^
¦Tactics Øver Principles¦
+314|7086|Antarctica
roflol
Nomer
Member
+10|7079|North of Boston
my computer was acting up and I double posted, didn't want to keep the space wasted, original post is below

Last edited by Nomer (2006-03-04 13:54:05)

Nomer
Member
+10|7079|North of Boston

John-Paul wrote:

What a fucked-up thread.

Too many people seem to be confusing knowledge with intelligence. Having knowledge about a certain subject doesn't guarantee you're intelligent. Similarly, lacking knowledge about a certain subject doesn't mean you lack intelligence. This is why true IQ tests are not knowledge-based. Rather, they test cognitive capabilities so that, independent of factors such as age, the extent of one's education, etc. you can still demonstrate a very high IQ. Hell, I've got an old copy of The Guinness Book of Records that states the highest IQ ever recorded was demonstrated by a 4-year-old (210 on the Terman Index).
Well said, the exact nature of what constitutes intelligence and intellect is incredibly subjective and debatable. There are tons of nifty little quotes and theories but the fact remains that most measures of intelligence people seem to sue here or anywhere such as World War II knowledge, different IQ tests and scales, the SAT, any of that, can and have in the past been accused of things like regional bias, racism, sexism and classism.

The real problem with education in the United States is often environment and opportunity, not motivation or any lack of "intelligence".  There are stupid and lazy/unmotivated people everywhere, but that does not mean that someone who lacks a certain piece of knowledge or is "uneducated" is one of those things.  My guess would be that in Australia in World War II they focus on major battles and then stuff that pertains to them more like the coast watchers and a little about their leaders and maybe my namesake (not Nomer). 

We attacked OP without knowing or taking into account relevant factors like location or age or if he'd played bf1942.  That being said there was a time where everyone where everyone here didn't know just about everything they now know.  From the incredibly important (like walking and talking) to the relatively unimportant (like American history topics such as Molly Pitcher or minor battles) there was a time when we had no knowledge of or clue how to do what we have since learned(with a few exceptions i.e. things that are involuntary or instinctual and not really knowledge). 

Also, for all the internet dick-wagging in here I don't believe many people have mentioned the main reason that people remember Wake Island other than the fact that some Marines put up a hell of a fight while outnumbered and outgunned there.  The Japanese officer in control ordered the execution of the American POW's there (I can't say 'the Japanese executed' because it is too simplistic and people would start hating the Japanese for something done over 60 years ago) and obviously in doing so went against the Geneva Code and just about every international law in existence.  The Japanese leader on the island was tried for war crimes and executed and his chief subordinate was sentenced to life.  Does anyone know if the famous rock engraving/makeshift tombstone appears in either version of the map, I haven't thought to look until this thread (it will have I believe the date of the slaughter and 98 for the number killed on that day and mark the location of the atrocity)?
bEAv3D
Member
+24|7074|Fayettenam, NC USA
i hear they are going to build a big wall in china, because of the new EF level.....
Rathji
Member
+1|7063

1stLt.MikeUSAF wrote:

=TFS=DEVILS.HITMAN wrote:

All of the maps on BF2 exist look them up on google earth
Mashtuur? Karkand? Ghost Town? I don't think so.
I really don't know where Ghost town is supposed to be but this could be it. Interesting story, regardless.

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000985.html
BanG89
as good as me you never will be
+9|7132|Nederland

Horseman 77 wrote:

WormGuts wrote:

InviSniper wrote:


Perhaps the "shore" is a large lake.
A large lake?  How'd they get the aircraft carrier in the lake?  Airlift it in?
ooh ooh I know I know They used a cronos phere !
like in ra2 lol. i remember putting enemy tanks into the see rofl.
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|7117

Geez, are the dutch the only people that get thaught the whole 100% of history? Wake Atoll, it is not an island (consists of 3 tiny corall islands) was captured during WW2 by the Japanese.
1stLt.MikeUSAF
Member
+3|7015

Rathji wrote:

1stLt.MikeUSAF wrote:

=TFS=DEVILS.HITMAN wrote:

All of the maps on BF2 exist look them up on google earth
Mashtuur? Karkand? Ghost Town? I don't think so.
I really don't know where Ghost town is supposed to be but this could be it. Interesting story, regardless.

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000985.html
Very Interesting! That would be a great place to go for Halloween Night and its raining out, your alone......great stuff!

Come to think of it, great place for a game of Sniper vs Sniper!

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