Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6904|Canberra, AUS
Wow, a proper debate w/o flaming (ahem). Congratulations. My thoughts are though, that (as much as I think Bush should be cast off to some remote Antarctic island) Bush was come off the raw end of the deal here. Disaster management over a city should, primarily rest with the CITY (the mayor). Then the state, then FEMA. That's how it works here. Works fine.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6901|Colorado
Bush didn't lie about anything, he veto'd the funds to improve the dikes, then the storm hit. He is at fault for that but every president in office has been doing that for a while.
Now the people of katrina I have no sympathy, my friends lost everything in their house, a pet & a couple vehicles {they were in colorado on vacation at the time}but they didnt go around demanding help, demanding food, demanding money. They picked themselves up ,moved to cali & started over because before this they had their shit together.
They didn't take government money cards for food & spend it on gucci bags ,gold teeth & rims.{which btw alot of them did that relocated to colorado, not to mention taking money off of it to gamble.}

So it may be a slap on the hand for the pres, but shame on you shameless people that took the money to rebuild your lives & bought crack with it instead. Didn't see Oprah buy my friends a new house, but ofcourse they have worked hard for anything they have which is how it should be, not hand out city.

One good thing about this storm is it exposed people for who they are.
If you knew a class 5 anything was coming close to you, would you stay? idiots...
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6904|Canberra, AUS
Stark comparison comes to mind

Bush: "This will bring out the best in Americans" (or words to that effect)

Some random in New Orleans: Shoots at the helicopter dropping vital supplies to people like him.

The Best in Americans...

EDIT: WTF happened to my internet???
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Repent
Member
+3|6877|Florida

Spark wrote:

.....

EDIT: WTF happened to my internet???
George is systematically causing latency in your connection.


George Bush hates the internet that Al Gore invented, along with black people.


Last edited by Repent (2006-03-03 06:28:56)

wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7006

TrollmeaT wrote:

Bush didn't lie about anything, he veto'd the funds to improve the dikes, then the storm hit. He is at fault for that but every president in office has been doing that for a while.
Now the people of katrina I have no sympathy, my friends lost everything in their house, a pet & a couple vehicles {they were in colorado on vacation at the time}but they didnt go around demanding help, demanding food, demanding money. They picked themselves up ,moved to cali & started over because before this they had their shit together.
They didn't take government money cards for food & spend it on gucci bags ,gold teeth & rims.{which btw alot of them did that relocated to colorado, not to mention taking money off of it to gamble.}

So it may be a slap on the hand for the pres, but shame on you shameless people that took the money to rebuild your lives & bought crack with it instead. Didn't see Oprah buy my friends a new house, but ofcourse they have worked hard for anything they have which is how it should be, not hand out city.

One good thing about this storm is it exposed people for who they are.
If you knew a class 5 anything was coming close to you, would you stay? idiots...
I will admit... I would have bought a nice gaming rig with $2000.
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7006
How can the federal government make a decision to trump the state?  Especially when the state isn't giving facts to FEMA...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060303/ap_ … rina_video

Blanco lies to Bush.
THA
im a fucking .....well not now
+609|6999|AUS, Canberra
bush is a dirty teamkiller and should have his stas reset for padding.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6964|California

the_heart_attack wrote:

bush is a dirty teamkiller and should have his stas reset for padding.
But Kerry dropped nades at his own feet to get his 5/20 for a purple heart.
IA_Ace_oF_H4DES
Member
+1|6884|The Cat House

Erkut.hv wrote:

the_heart_attack wrote:

bush is a dirty teamkiller and should have his stas reset for padding.
But Kerry dropped nades at his own feet to get his 5/20 for a purple heart.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
BEE_Grim_Reaper
Member
+15|6936|Germany
Just out of curiosity... why is it bad to be a liberal in the USA?
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6923|San Francisco

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

How can the federal government make a decision to trump the state?  Especially when the state isn't giving facts to FEMA...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060303/ap_ … rina_video

Blanco lies to Bush.
Blanco didn't lie to Bush, and it doesn't change a damned thing.  She said that the "last report at the time" she got said that the levees weren't confirmed as being breached.  Sure enough, the levees breached an hour later.  This is just political back-bending to try to shift the glaring blame around.  (Man, I KNEW someone was going to post that without fully looking into it...)

Everyone is still overlooking the actual topic!  The fact still remains that Bush said he'd help, and just a few days later said that he was never briefed.  It's right there in the first video, and it's all there in the press briefings he held days after Katrina hit!
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6964|California

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

Just out of curiosity... why is it bad to be a liberal in the USA?
It's not. Liberals are viewed as pussies who push the gay rights, anti-white, welfare state big government agenda, and refuse to shower or shave.

Conservatives are viewed as anti-abortion, anti-gay, crusty old white men who hate black people, and run corporations that emit high levels of pollution.

It's bad to be an anything in the US, odds are at least 50& of the country will hate you for it.
CC-Marley
Member
+407|7058

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

Just out of curiosity... why is it bad to be a liberal in the USA?
because liberalism is rotting our country from the inside out.
BEE_Grim_Reaper
Member
+15|6936|Germany

CC-Marley wrote:

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

Just out of curiosity... why is it bad to be a liberal in the USA?
because liberalism is rotting our country from the inside out.
How so? I mean... I heard this phrase a couple of times, but I would like to have a more in-depth view on that.
BEE_Grim_Reaper
Member
+15|6936|Germany

Erkut.hv wrote:

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

Just out of curiosity... why is it bad to be a liberal in the USA?
It's not. Liberals are viewed as pussies who push the gay rights, anti-white, welfare state big government agenda, and refuse to shower or shave.

Conservatives are viewed as anti-abortion, anti-gay, crusty old white men who hate black people, and run corporations that emit high levels of pollution.

It's bad to be an anything in the US, odds are at least 50& of the country will hate you for it.
Maybe you should mention that this is the view of one faction of the other...
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6964|California

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

Just out of curiosity... why is it bad to be a liberal in the USA?
It's not. Liberals are viewed as pussies who push the gay rights, anti-white, welfare state big government agenda, and refuse to shower or shave.

Conservatives are viewed as anti-abortion, anti-gay, crusty old white men who hate black people, and run corporations that emit high levels of pollution.

It's bad to be an anything in the US, odds are at least 50& of the country will hate you for it.
Maybe you should mention that this is the view of one faction of the other...
Good point.

The views expressed in my post are stricly how one side views the other. They are not the views of the author, nor his parent company.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6945

the_heart_attack wrote:

bush is a dirty teamkiller and should have his stas reset for padding.
dude, his stats cant be resseted sadly... since he is admin of the entire bf2 nation lol
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6923|San Francisco
It's not bad to be a liberal in the US...it's just that there are a little more outspoken anti-Left conservative right-wingers on these forums than most.

We liberals want change and tolerance, a more focused/stronger government that's also transparent, and a sharper eye to make sure Civil Liberties aren't infringed in the country. 

Conservatives don't want change and are totally fine with America's old values and for the most part tend to be very intolerant of the rest of the world.  They are for a smaller and more privatized government, leading towards more corporate control of American values.  You can read through any of the anti-muslim threads (Read: almost all of them ) to see what I mean.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6964|California

Marconius wrote:

Conservatives don't want change and are totally fine with America's old values and for the most part tend to be very intolerant of the rest of the world.  They are for a smaller and more privatized government, leading towards more corporate control of American values.  You can read through any of the anti-muslim threads (Read: almost all of them ) to see what I mean.
Conservatives are viewed as anti-abortion, anti-gay, crusty old white men who hate black people, and run corporations that emit high levels of pollution.

See, exactly what I said, but more sugar-coated.

Marconius, say what you really mean.
Alterb0y
Member
+0|6956|RAF Lakenheath, UK
These days everyone (Reps & Dems) is going to argue, bitch, moan, complain, etc. about the others.  When a Dem gets elected, some shit will happen, media will complain, then people will start hating the prez.  Happens everytime anyone gets elected to that spot.  You are put in the limelight.  EVERYONE is watching you.  Make a little mistake, it will be like you put in the wrong coordinates and dropped a fucking nuke on LA.  No one is perfect.  People think the Pres should be perfect.  He is no different than any one else.  He isn't perfect.

I break this stuff (read: shit) down to these:

1.  Whoever saw a 5 hurricane coming and didn't get out, deserve it.

2.  Whoever authorized the ATM cards to those people are fucktards.  And I want my tax money back for that.

3.  You hate Bush now?  You will hate _________ (insert next President) in 3 years too.

4.  Someone said don't say how a soldier feels if you haven't spoken to one that has been there.  That guy is a fucking genius and I want him to have my children.   I've been to Iraq.  We were fired upon with rockets, mortars and even gunfights broke out at the gates.  I also gave school supplies to little Iraqi children.  They loved it.  We were there for them.  So fuck you in saying the war in Iraq was a mistake. 

5.  Stop watching the news.  I have and I'm a better person for it.

6.  Stop changing view points constantly.  Believe in what you want but believe that thing until something is proven against it. 

This bullshit doesn't prove that Bush hates black people.  No tape proves that Bush had anything to do with this.  Nothing proves that Bush made 9/11 happen.  NOTHING PROVES ANYTHING.

(I vote to close this thread as it is pointless)
splixx
ChupaCABRA
+53|6968|Omaha, Nebraska
I think this man said it best....

What luck for rulers, that men do not think. -- Adolph Hitler


Sleep my sheep.

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfam … hitler.htm

Last edited by splixx (2006-03-03 10:01:04)

Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6964|California

Alterb0y wrote:

(I vote to close this thread as it is pointless)
Agreed Time to flame somewhere else.
[GPIII]_Jack
Member
+0|6879

IA_Ace_oF_H4DES wrote:

Yes, Bush should have waved his magic wand, and New Orleans would be saved.  Bullshit, this topic is shwag.

Mayor Ray Nagen is the ultimate meathead here, as well the Democrat Governor that runs Louisiana.  The preperation should have been done at the state level, which it wasnt.

All i know is this:  If I live in a town that is 6 feet below sealevel, and you are surrounded by water on 3 sides, I AM GETTING THE FUCK OUTTA TOWN WHEN A HURRICANE COMES.  Gay Ray Nagen wasnt event competent enough to get the hundreds of school busses in order to cart off the folks that had no car to get out of the area.  Instead, the school busses were left in the parking lots, only to be left in 10' of water.

That must be Bush's fault, right?  If it goes wrong, it must be on him every time.  Blasphemy.  I am sick of these stupid ass posts about how Bush did this or didnt do that.  This Katrina crap is on all the people in the area that were told to evacuate, and didnt.  I dont have much sympathy for those folks.  Right now, they are getting ATM cards to with free money on them, and instead of bettering their situations, they are spending their money at the Titty bar.  Idiots.

It is not Bush's fault that Katrina hit and caused the devastation that it did.  It is not his fault that the recovery operation took a few days to get set up.  It IS the fault of the local government.  They are the people that know what resources they have, and are familiar with the roads/traffic patterns of the area.  They are the turd sandwiches that let those people down.

On a side note, Mayor Gay Ray Nagen said he wants to have a "chocolate city" in New Orleans.  What kinda half racist bullshit is that?  If I were mayor of New Orleans and I said that I wanted a "vanilla city", which basically implies that I dont want the blacks to come back, I would be beheaded in the press!!!!!  No one seems to care about this idiot making a statement like that.  This is why:

THE PRESS IS A BUNCH OF LIBERAL BAFOONS THAT WILL DO ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO UNDERMINE THE REPUBLICANS.  THEY PUSH THEIR GARBAGE AGENDA BY SLANTING ALL NEWS STORIES TO FIT THEIR OPINIONS.  THIS KATRINA STUFF IS NO DIFFERENT.  SOSDD.
I couldn't Agree more. Well said!!
CC-Marley
Member
+407|7058
Yah well done.
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|6904|Moscow, Russia
Republicans, Democrates... They're all the same. They only care about their own fat asses, not the people. You have these 2 parties only to make an illusion of choice and free elections and all that shit.

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