A good post lowing and full of principles that ring true. The one thing I would differ with you on is the idea that the turmoil of the past is now somehow gone or swept away under the carpet but I can understand your grievance that this generation of whites personally had nothing to do with that era...In my opinion America has a long way to go before these wounds have fully healed but I believe one day they will fully heal, who knows perhaps getting Obama in the white house will be the first major step towards this?lowing wrote:
To everyone:
What this all boils down to is this, life isn't fair, I know this. There are privileged whites and there are privileged blacks. There are poor whites and blacks. There are handicapped whites and blacks, There are blacks and whites that will get sick in the prime of their lives. All I am saying is, regardless of the past, sickness, handicaps,or whatever other shitty hand you are dealt, we ALL have a responsibility to ourselves, our families and our society to become law abiding citizens. For those that need assistance, there are programs to help, however, regardless of whatever "reasons" you want to come up with, WE are all responsible and charged with doing the right things. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. The black community has its problems that ARE unique unto itself generally speaking, I addressed these. I offered present attitude rather than the past for its problems. Once that past has been corrected, which it has, the ball is now in the other court. Personal responsibility and a change of attitude is the ONLY thing now, that will allow us all to move forward together. The chip on the shoulder must disappear. This now the black communities problem and not society's as a whole.
When you cut away all of the bullshit in all of these threads, this is what is left. Life isn't fair, deal with that fact that yours may not be, responsibly, and do not infringe on others. Be you black or white or yellow or green, you will get no sympathy from me for your infringements. Slavery or not, civil rights or not, black or white, rich or poor. You guys all say you acknowledge this and we all seem to agree on this, but you insist that I am generalizing and being a racist because I applied these words specifically to the black community in a thread that was SPECIFICALLY written about the black community....I apologize, next time I will not assume anything, including the obvious, is understood, that I was speaking in generalities, and that I was not including those members of the black community that were in fact law abiding citizens and hard working members of society.....I will try and come up with a sig that will cover such occasions so there will be no more mis-understandings.
you guys know this already, you know damn well what I was saying and what I meant.
That seems fair enough. I would add one other important required element to overcome existing issues: education, employment initiatives (such as FÁS in Ireland) and governmental anti-drugs/rehabilitation schemes.lowing wrote:
To everyone:
What this all boils down to is this, life isn't fair, I know this. There are privileged whites and there are privileged blacks. There are poor whites and blacks. There are handicapped whites and blacks, There are blacks and whites that will get sick in the prime of their lives. All I am saying is, regardless of the past, sickness, handicaps,or whatever other shitty hand you are dealt, we ALL have a responsibility to ourselves, our families and our society to become law abiding citizens. For those that need assistance, there are programs to help, however, regardless of whatever "reasons" you want to come up with, WE are all responsible and charged with doing the right things. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. The black community has its problems that ARE unique unto itself generally speaking, I addressed these. I offered present attitude rather than the past for its problems. Once that past has been corrected, which it has, the ball is now in the other court. Personal responsibility and a change of attitude is the ONLY thing now, that will allow us all to move forward together. The chip on the shoulder must disappear. This now the black communities problem and not society's as a whole.
When you cut away all of the bullshit in all of these threads, this is what is left. Life isn't fair, deal with that fact that yours may not be, responsibly, and do not infringe on others. Be you black or white or yellow or green, you will get no sympathy from me for your infringements. Slavery or not, civil rights or not, black or white, rich or poor. You guys all say you acknowledge this and we all seem to agree on this, but you insist that I am generalizing and being a racist because I applied these words specifically to the black community in a thread that was SPECIFICALLY written about the black community....I apologize, next time I will not assume anything, including the obvious, is understood, that I was speaking in generalities, and that I was not including those members of the black community that were in fact law abiding citizens and hard working members of society.....I will try and come up with a sig that will cover such occasions so there will be no more mis-understandings.
you guys know this already, you know damn well what I was saying and what I meant.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-08 13:02:45)
I do understand what you mean lowing, and agree with you to a point, but only to a point.lowing wrote:
To everyone:
What this all boils down to is this, life isn't fair, I know this. There are privileged whites and there are privileged blacks. There are poor whites and blacks. There are handicapped whites and blacks, There are blacks and whites that will get sick in the prime of their lives. All I am saying is, regardless of the past, sickness, handicaps,or whatever other shitty hand you are dealt, we ALL have a responsibility to ourselves, our families and our society to become law abiding citizens. For those that need assistance, there are programs to help, however, regardless of whatever "reasons" you want to come up with, WE are all responsible and charged with doing the right things. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. The black community has its problems that ARE unique unto itself generally speaking, I addressed these. I offered present attitude rather than the past for its problems. Once that past has been corrected, which it has, the ball is now in the other court. Personal responsibility and a change of attitude is the ONLY thing now, that will allow us all to move forward together. The chip on the shoulder must disappear. This now the black communities problem and not society's as a whole.
When you cut away all of the bullshit in all of these threads, this is what is left. Life isn't fair, deal with that fact that yours may not be, responsibly, and do not infringe on others. Be you black or white or yellow or green, you will get no sympathy from me for your infringements. Slavery or not, civil rights or not, black or white, rich or poor. You guys all say you acknowledge this and we all seem to agree on this, but you insist that I am generalizing and being a racist because I applied these words specifically to the black community in a thread that was SPECIFICALLY written about the black community....I apologize, next time I will not assume anything, including the obvious, is understood, that I was speaking in generalities, and that I was not including those members of the black community that were in fact law abiding citizens and hard working members of society.....I will try and come up with a sig that will cover such occasions so there will be no more mis-understandings.
you guys know this already, you know damn well what I was saying and what I meant.
The way I see it is like severe disability - some people are born into this life with disadvantages that any amount of personal responsibility just isn't going to solve.
I know this is an extreme example, but I use it in the hope making myself absolutely clear - take someone suffering from a severe developmental disability - say their mental development never progresses beyond childhood - that individual is never going to participate fully in society, no matter how much personal responsibility they have.
Similarly, some are born into such dire social and economic poverty that, no matter how hard they try, or how much personal responsibility they display, they just simply will not be equipped to lift themselves out of the poverty trap.
If this goes on for two or more generations then the children of those families become disillusioned - "My dad, his and his dad before him, worked hard all there lives, and it never got them anywhere - why is it going to be any different for me?" - and so they turn to crime.
In a modern developed democratic society this should never be allowed to happen, but, sadly, it is an all too real fact of life that I see evidence of on a daily basis.
Now if, in a discussion about disability, you refuse to accept that some disabled people are incapable of doing an honest days work, for no reason of their own making, then you are being discriminatory against those people.
Likewise, if you refuse to accept that there are specific historical reasons for the incapacitating poverty that afflicts some black Americans, then you are being discriminatory against those black people.
Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-07-08 13:03:36)
I do believe that I covered the disabled in this post, as well as in many many others.....I will add though being disabled is not a green light to robbing a bank, or build a meth lab....Even the disabled must be law abiding and exercise good judgement.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I do understand what you mean lowing, and agree with you to a point, but only to a point.lowing wrote:
To everyone:
What this all boils down to is this, life isn't fair, I know this. There are privileged whites and there are privileged blacks. There are poor whites and blacks. There are handicapped whites and blacks, There are blacks and whites that will get sick in the prime of their lives. All I am saying is, regardless of the past, sickness, handicaps,or whatever other shitty hand you are dealt, we ALL have a responsibility to ourselves, our families and our society to become law abiding citizens. For those that need assistance, there are programs to help, however, regardless of whatever "reasons" you want to come up with, WE are all responsible and charged with doing the right things. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. The black community has its problems that ARE unique unto itself generally speaking, I addressed these. I offered present attitude rather than the past for its problems. Once that past has been corrected, which it has, the ball is now in the other court. Personal responsibility and a change of attitude is the ONLY thing now, that will allow us all to move forward together. The chip on the shoulder must disappear. This now the black communities problem and not society's as a whole.
When you cut away all of the bullshit in all of these threads, this is what is left. Life isn't fair, deal with that fact that yours may not be, responsibly, and do not infringe on others. Be you black or white or yellow or green, you will get no sympathy from me for your infringements. Slavery or not, civil rights or not, black or white, rich or poor. You guys all say you acknowledge this and we all seem to agree on this, but you insist that I am generalizing and being a racist because I applied these words specifically to the black community in a thread that was SPECIFICALLY written about the black community....I apologize, next time I will not assume anything, including the obvious, is understood, that I was speaking in generalities, and that I was not including those members of the black community that were in fact law abiding citizens and hard working members of society.....I will try and come up with a sig that will cover such occasions so there will be no more mis-understandings.
you guys know this already, you know damn well what I was saying and what I meant.
The way I see it is like severe disability - some people are born into this life with disadvantages that any amount of personal responsibility just isn't going to solve.
I know this is an extreme example, but I use it in the hope making myself absolutely clear - take someone suffering from a severe developmental disability - say their mental development never progresses beyond childhood - that individual is never going to participate fully in society, no matter how much personal responsibility they have.
Similarly, some are born into such dire social and economic poverty that, no matter how hard they try, or how much personal responsibility they display, they just simply will not be equipped to lift themselves out of the poverty trap.
If this goes on for two or more generations then the children of those families become disillusioned - "My dad, his and his dad before him, worked hard all there lives, and it never got them anywhere - why is it going to be any different for me?" - and so they turn to crime.
In a modern developed democratic society this should never be allowed to happen, but, sadly, it is an all too real fact of life that I see evidence of on a daily basis.
Now if, in a discussion about disability, you refuse to accept that some disabled people are incapable of doing an honest days work, for no reason of their own making, then you are being discriminatory against those people.
Likewise, if you refuse to accept that there are specific historical reasons for the incapacitating poverty that afflicts some black Americans, then you are being discriminatory against those black people.
Firstly, which part of 'an example that illustrates a point' (called an 'analogy') do you not understand?lowing wrote:
I do believe that I covered the disabled in this post, as well as in many many others.....I will add though being disabled is not a green light to robbing a bank, or build a meth lab....Even the disabled must be law abiding and exercise good judgement.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I do understand what you mean lowing, and agree with you to a point, but only to a point.lowing wrote:
To everyone:
What this all boils down to is this, life isn't fair, I know this. There are privileged whites and there are privileged blacks. There are poor whites and blacks. There are handicapped whites and blacks, There are blacks and whites that will get sick in the prime of their lives. All I am saying is, regardless of the past, sickness, handicaps,or whatever other shitty hand you are dealt, we ALL have a responsibility to ourselves, our families and our society to become law abiding citizens. For those that need assistance, there are programs to help, however, regardless of whatever "reasons" you want to come up with, WE are all responsible and charged with doing the right things. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. The black community has its problems that ARE unique unto itself generally speaking, I addressed these. I offered present attitude rather than the past for its problems. Once that past has been corrected, which it has, the ball is now in the other court. Personal responsibility and a change of attitude is the ONLY thing now, that will allow us all to move forward together. The chip on the shoulder must disappear. This now the black communities problem and not society's as a whole.
When you cut away all of the bullshit in all of these threads, this is what is left. Life isn't fair, deal with that fact that yours may not be, responsibly, and do not infringe on others. Be you black or white or yellow or green, you will get no sympathy from me for your infringements. Slavery or not, civil rights or not, black or white, rich or poor. You guys all say you acknowledge this and we all seem to agree on this, but you insist that I am generalizing and being a racist because I applied these words specifically to the black community in a thread that was SPECIFICALLY written about the black community....I apologize, next time I will not assume anything, including the obvious, is understood, that I was speaking in generalities, and that I was not including those members of the black community that were in fact law abiding citizens and hard working members of society.....I will try and come up with a sig that will cover such occasions so there will be no more mis-understandings.
you guys know this already, you know damn well what I was saying and what I meant.
The way I see it is like severe disability - some people are born into this life with disadvantages that any amount of personal responsibility just isn't going to solve.
I know this is an extreme example, but I use it in the hope making myself absolutely clear - take someone suffering from a severe developmental disability - say their mental development never progresses beyond childhood - that individual is never going to participate fully in society, no matter how much personal responsibility they have.
Similarly, some are born into such dire social and economic poverty that, no matter how hard they try, or how much personal responsibility they display, they just simply will not be equipped to lift themselves out of the poverty trap.
If this goes on for two or more generations then the children of those families become disillusioned - "My dad, his and his dad before him, worked hard all there lives, and it never got them anywhere - why is it going to be any different for me?" - and so they turn to crime.
In a modern developed democratic society this should never be allowed to happen, but, sadly, it is an all too real fact of life that I see evidence of on a daily basis.
Now if, in a discussion about disability, you refuse to accept that some disabled people are incapable of doing an honest days work, for no reason of their own making, then you are being discriminatory against those people.
Likewise, if you refuse to accept that there are specific historical reasons for the incapacitating poverty that afflicts some black Americans, then you are being discriminatory against those black people.
But, secondly, and this is actually my whole point - some mentally disabled, kleptomaniacs for example, are simply incapable of exercising good judgement.
Some individuals, born into poverty, are simply incapable of exercising personal responsibility.
Then people that can't "help themselves" but to commit crime, gets dealt with by those that can. Plain and simpleScorpion0x17 wrote:
Firstly, which part of 'an example that illustrates a point' (called an 'analogy') do you not understand?lowing wrote:
I do believe that I covered the disabled in this post, as well as in many many others.....I will add though being disabled is not a green light to robbing a bank, or build a meth lab....Even the disabled must be law abiding and exercise good judgement.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I do understand what you mean lowing, and agree with you to a point, but only to a point.
The way I see it is like severe disability - some people are born into this life with disadvantages that any amount of personal responsibility just isn't going to solve.
I know this is an extreme example, but I use it in the hope making myself absolutely clear - take someone suffering from a severe developmental disability - say their mental development never progresses beyond childhood - that individual is never going to participate fully in society, no matter how much personal responsibility they have.
Similarly, some are born into such dire social and economic poverty that, no matter how hard they try, or how much personal responsibility they display, they just simply will not be equipped to lift themselves out of the poverty trap.
If this goes on for two or more generations then the children of those families become disillusioned - "My dad, his and his dad before him, worked hard all there lives, and it never got them anywhere - why is it going to be any different for me?" - and so they turn to crime.
In a modern developed democratic society this should never be allowed to happen, but, sadly, it is an all too real fact of life that I see evidence of on a daily basis.
Now if, in a discussion about disability, you refuse to accept that some disabled people are incapable of doing an honest days work, for no reason of their own making, then you are being discriminatory against those people.
Likewise, if you refuse to accept that there are specific historical reasons for the incapacitating poverty that afflicts some black Americans, then you are being discriminatory against those black people.
But, secondly, and this is actually my whole point - some mentally disabled, kleptomaniacs for example, are simply incapable of exercising good judgement.
Some individuals, born into poverty, are simply incapable of exercising personal responsibility.
well, who said that they wouldn't ? Just because someone has lacked the ability to take up personal responsibility for his life and become a law-abiding taxpayer doesn't mean he won't have to face taking responsibility before a court of justice.lowing wrote:
Then people that can't "help themselves" but to commit crime, gets dealt with by those that can. Plain and simpleScorpion0x17 wrote:
Firstly, which part of 'an example that illustrates a point' (called an 'analogy') do you not understand?lowing wrote:
I do believe that I covered the disabled in this post, as well as in many many others.....I will add though being disabled is not a green light to robbing a bank, or build a meth lab....Even the disabled must be law abiding and exercise good judgement.
But, secondly, and this is actually my whole point - some mentally disabled, kleptomaniacs for example, are simply incapable of exercising good judgement.
Some individuals, born into poverty, are simply incapable of exercising personal responsibility.
To me, there are two levels of "responsibility" here. The social or cultural responsibility, which will, in some cases, mean that you as a person do not have to take full responsibility for what you have become. But you still have to take up full legal responsibility for what you do.
I would agree with Scorpion that in a developped western democracy, there should be no people that under-achieve because of social disadvantages. In a perfect world, a kid from the ghetto ( whatever color of skin ) would have the same chances of succeeding in life, and becoming a lawyer, or CEO of a big company, or POTUS; than a kid from a WASP family that live in the Hamptons.
But we all know that's simply not true.
Does ethnicity play a role in this equasion ? Yes, but not because non-white folks are more stupid or have less personal responsibility than whites, but rather because historically, non-whites have been discriminated against, and were not offered the same opportunities than whites with regard to education and work. And even although that has changed somewhat today, the children and grandchildren of those that suffered so much in the 40's, 50's and 60's still carry some of that burden.
In other words, the only reason why ethnicity still plays a role in those statistics is because we made it that way.
Again, this doesn't mean that those people won't have to take full responsibility for what they do. But it might help explaining why they couldn't do any better.
Thanks B.Schuss, That has been my point all along.B.Schuss wrote:
Does ethnicity play a role in this equasion ? Yes, but not because non-white folks are more stupid or have less personal responsibility than whites, but rather because historically, non-whites have been discriminated against, and were not offered the same opportunities than whites with regard to education and work. And even although that has changed somewhat today, the children and grandchildren of those that suffered so much in the 40's, 50's and 60's still carry some of that burden.
In other words, the only reason why ethnicity still plays a role in those statistics is because we made it that way.
Again, this doesn't mean that those people won't have to take full responsibility for what they do. But it might help explaining why they couldn't do any better.
It's not an excuse, just an explanation of some of the contributing factors that have left some people in the situation that they are in. It is also not an indictment of the modern white generation who personally never enslaved anyone of colour.
Your going to love this then.lowing wrote:
Anyway, Obama just gained a little respect from me for this comment.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Why? Was he speaking Spanish?Kmarion wrote:
Your going to love this then.lowing wrote:
Anyway, Obama just gained a little respect from me for this comment.
Meh Cosby said the same stuff. I respect him way more.
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080715/ap_ … _blacks_18
Already read it,
Sometimes it really gets boring being right all the time, CAM, BRADDOCK, BUBBALO, enjoy the read from the RACIST ( he hates black people ) Obama.
Oh wait, I am sure even though he was addressing the NAACP, speaking to blacks, speaking specifically ABOUT blacks, he meant all of us generally. .........................right?
Already read it,
Sometimes it really gets boring being right all the time, CAM, BRADDOCK, BUBBALO, enjoy the read from the RACIST ( he hates black people ) Obama.
Oh wait, I am sure even though he was addressing the NAACP, speaking to blacks, speaking specifically ABOUT blacks, he meant all of us generally. .........................right?
Last edited by lowing (2008-07-14 23:33:34)
So Obama is racist. Interesting.lowing wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080715/ap_on_el_pr/obama_blacks_18
Already read it,
Sometimes it really gets boring being right all the time, CAM, BRADDOCK, BUBBALO, enjoy the read from the RACIST ( he hates black people ) Obama.
Oh wait, I am sure even though he was addressing the NAACP, speaking to blacks, speaking specifically ABOUT blacks, he meant all of us generally. .........................right?
Oh, Com'on Cam, give it to me....................you were right lowing, I am sorry I ever doubted you, next time I will set aside PC and view things as they are..............Lets have it buddy, you can do it.CameronPoe wrote:
So Obama is racist. Interesting.lowing wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080715/ap_on_el_pr/obama_blacks_18
Already read it,
Sometimes it really gets boring being right all the time, CAM, BRADDOCK, BUBBALO, enjoy the read from the RACIST ( he hates black people ) Obama.
Oh wait, I am sure even though he was addressing the NAACP, speaking to blacks, speaking specifically ABOUT blacks, he meant all of us generally. .........................right?
Your first article indicated nothing. This is very much more clear cut. You can only go on the evidence of what is before you.lowing wrote:
Oh, Com'on Cam, give it to me....................you were right lowing, I am sorry I ever doubted you, next time I will set aside PC and view things as they are..............Lets have it buddy, you can do it.
The first article was pretty clear cut, without the foggy googles of PC obstructing your visionCameronPoe wrote:
Your first article indicated nothing. This is very much more clear cut. You can only go on the evidence of what is before you.lowing wrote:
Oh, Com'on Cam, give it to me....................you were right lowing, I am sorry I ever doubted you, next time I will set aside PC and view things as they are..............Lets have it buddy, you can do it.
You must give people the benefit of the doubt when things are not 100% clear cut. As it is he has now proved his racism.lowing wrote:
The first article was pretty clear cut, without the foggy googles of PC obstructing your vision
I love, it, you would rather call Obama a racist, rather than admit I was correct in my observations.......lolCameronPoe wrote:
You must give people the benefit of the doubt when things are not 100% clear cut. As it is he has now proved his racism.lowing wrote:
The first article was pretty clear cut, without the foggy googles of PC obstructing your vision
Did I miss something? Is he not alluding to the fact that skin colour makes you a lazy good-for-nothing sack of shit? Is he not giving a bit of a kick-in-the-teeth to those very many successful black people who have taken their equal opportunity to make good? Their black skin didn't hinder them - but Obama sees fit to use skin colour as some kind of catch-all? Yeah he's being racial.lowing wrote:
I love, it, you would rather call Obama a racist, rather than admit I was correct in my observations.......lol
Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-14 23:59:10)
He is speaking to those blacks of which his comments apply.... He is admitting that on a whole, the black community has a problem that needs solving........He speaks the truth..........Sorry if it hurts so bad that your only recourse other than to ignore it, is to derail it, by calling him a racist.CameronPoe wrote:
Did I miss something? Is he not alluding to the fact that skin colour makes you a lazy good-for-nothing sack of shit? Is he not giving a bit of a kick-in-the-teeth to those very many successful black people who have taken their equal opportunity to make good? Their black skin didn't hinder them - but Obama sees fit to use skin colour as some kind of catch-all? Yeah he's being racial.lowing wrote:
I love, it, you would rather call Obama a racist, rather than admit I was correct in my observations.......lol
Typical defense strategy, I am not surprised
I though America is the land of equal opportunity? Why does he need to address people on the basis of skin colour?lowing wrote:
He is speaking to those blacks of which his comments apply.... He is admitting that on a whole, the black community has a problem that needs solving........He speaks the truth..........Sorry if it hurts so bad that your only recourse other than to ignore it, is to derail it, by calling him a racist.
Typical defense strategy, I am not surprised
PS You neglected to take on board the words of his spokeswoman:
"It's not just a speech aimed at black audiences. It's aimed at all parents," Douglass said. Noting Obama also called for more corporate and government responsibility, she added: "This is a larger theme of responsibility."
Why the need for the caveat? Because not doing so would imply differentiation on the basis of race.
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Yup it is called PC, I should have thought you would be VERY VERY familiar with the term and its usage Cam.CameronPoe wrote:
I though America is the land of equal opportunity? Why does he need to address people on the basis of skin colour?lowing wrote:
He is speaking to those blacks of which his comments apply.... He is admitting that on a whole, the black community has a problem that needs solving........He speaks the truth..........Sorry if it hurts so bad that your only recourse other than to ignore it, is to derail it, by calling him a racist.
Typical defense strategy, I am not surprised
PS You neglected to take on board the words of his spokeswoman:
"It's not just a speech aimed at black audiences. It's aimed at all parents," Douglass said. Noting Obama also called for more corporate and government responsibility, she added: "This is a larger theme of responsibility."
Why the need for the caveat? Because not doing so would imply differentiation on the basis of race.
Yes - political correctness: he doesn't want to be seen as singling out blacks for his personal responsibility treatment - because that would be distinction by race. QEDlowing wrote:
Yup it is called PC, I should have thought you would be VERY VERY familiar with the term and its usage Cam.
Yup, even thought it is exactly what he meant........no denying that now Cam, so gimme my just reward..............."YOU WERE RIGHT LOWING" let me hear it, just once Cam, come on buddy.CameronPoe wrote:
Yes - political correctness: he doesn't want to be seen as singling out blacks for his personal responsibility treatment - because that would be distinction by race. QEDlowing wrote:
Yup it is called PC, I should have thought you would be VERY VERY familiar with the term and its usage Cam.
Has he generalised based on race?lowing wrote:
Yup, even thought it is exactly what he meant........no denying that now Cam, so gimme my just reward..............."YOU WERE RIGHT LOWING" let me hear it, just once Cam, come on buddy.
Yes.
Was it a derogatory generalisation?
Yes.
Therefore, is it racism?
Yes.
Not the toughest deduction in the world I've ever made. Do you agree with points one and two above?
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Nope, he spoke to those that it applied toCameronPoe wrote:
Has he generalised based on race?lowing wrote:
Yup, even thought it is exactly what he meant........no denying that now Cam, so gimme my just reward..............."YOU WERE RIGHT LOWING" let me hear it, just once Cam, come on buddy.
Yes.
Was it a derogatory generalisation?
Yes.
Therefore, is it racism?
Yes.
Not the toughest deduction in the world I've ever made. Do you agree with points one and two above?
Nope he spoke the truth
Saying a black community has a problem, that it has, is not racism Cam. It is the truth