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2008-07-06 09:38:13
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Lets assume they are not true stats. Well then shame on Lowing.
Lets assume the stats are indeed factual. Well then I beleive Lowing is correct and we owe him an apology. Or at the least a "good game" ass pat.
Why are the statistics, if true, 'wow.......very powerful'? Is it because it confirms his characterisation of black people perhaps?
Nope because it backed up his argument.
lol. Keep dancing. It's hilarious. This OP of yours is proof positive you view things through a racial lens. Obama's message is universal - not black-specific. You automatically jumped on the fact he was addressing a largely black audience as some kind of confirmation that black people are lazy and worthless. Crystal clear racism. You assumed Obama was making this statement as some kind of message to the black community, who 'didn't get it'. Your assumption implies racism.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-06 09:44:01)

2008-07-06 09:38:47
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

I just heard braddocks bubble burst all the way over here in Iraq
I have already stated that the stats are possibly true...my point was that you automatically accepted them, the same way that you automatically assumed Cam's hypothetical ghetto family were black.

Oh and btw those stats back up the argument that inherited social problems contribute towards crime rates...have a read.
I have no doubt, it does not trump the fact that we are all held accountable for our actions and therefore is irrelevent.
2008-07-06 09:41:16
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6767|Tyne & Wear, England

Braddock wrote:

We boil potatoes and sometimes other veg (though I prefer steaming). If you're talking about that Dublin Coddle shit, it is exclusive to Dublin and I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Stew is done in an oven and boxty and potatoe farls are fried. What other 'Irish' dishes are you on about?
The resident Irish woman at our local made us all some Irish stew last St. Paddys day, I swear it was fucking amazing.

She is however now barred she was a complete battle-axe.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
2008-07-06 09:43:22
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

I just heard braddocks bubble burst all the way over here in Iraq
I have already stated that the stats are possibly true...my point was that you automatically accepted them, the same way that you automatically assumed Cam's hypothetical ghetto family were black.

Oh and btw those stats back up the argument that inherited social problems contribute towards crime rates...have a read.
I have no doubt, it does not trump the fact that we are all held accountable for our actions and therefore is irrelevent.

By the way...............why would you believe the stats were probably true??
2008-07-06 09:49:55
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6502

Braddock wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:


Lets assume they are not true stats. Well then shame on Lowing.
Lets assume the stats are indeed factual. Well then I beleive Lowing is correct and we owe him an apology. Or at the least a "good game" ass pat.
Most of those stats are true.

From the US department of justice:

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#inmates

It is just a fact.  Nothing racist here.
What about the stuff on sexually transmitted diseases and whatnot?
I got something here:

http://www.cdc.gov/STD/STATS/trends2006.htm

In 2006, the rate of chlamydia among African Americans was more than eight times higher than the rate among whites (1275.0 vs. 153.1 per 100,000 population), with approximately 46 percent of all chlamydia cases reported among African Americans.

Racial disparities in gonorrhea rates are even greater and racial gaps in diagnosis of gonorrhea are more pronounced than any other disease. The gonorrhea rate among African Americans was 18 times greater than that for whites in 2006 (658.4 per 100,000 vs. 36.5 per 100,000)

Although racial gaps in syphilis rates are narrowing, disparities remain, with rates in 2006 approximately six times higher among blacks than among whites.

but they add:

These disparities may be, in part, because racial and ethnic minorities are more likely to seek care in public health clinics that report STDs more completely than private providers. However, this reporting bias does not fully explain these differences. Other contributing factors include limited access to quality health care, poverty, and higher prevalence of disease in these populations.
2008-07-06 09:51:52
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Why are the statistics, if true, 'wow.......very powerful'? Is it because it confirms his characterisation of black people perhaps?
Nope because it backed up his argument.
lol. Keep dancing. It's hilarious. This OP of yours is proof positive you view things through a racial lens. Obama's message is universal - not black-specific. You automatically jumped on the fact he was addressing a largely black audience as some kind of confirmation that black people are lazy and worthless. Crystal clear racism. You assumed Obama was making this statement as some kind of message to the black community, who 'didn't get it'. Your assumption implies racism.
Sorry Cam, that is not true and you saying so, believe it or not, does little to make your bullshit true.. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/ob … ndits.html


Keep flailing Cam, you will get tired and succumb to your own bullshit and eventually drown in it.....
2008-07-06 09:53:51
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Braddock wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:


Most of those stats are true.

From the US department of justice:

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#inmates

It is just a fact.  Nothing racist here.
What about the stuff on sexually transmitted diseases and whatnot?
I got something here:

http://www.cdc.gov/STD/STATS/trends2006.htm

In 2006, the rate of chlamydia among African Americans was more than eight times higher than the rate among whites (1275.0 vs. 153.1 per 100,000 population), with approximately 46 percent of all chlamydia cases reported among African Americans.

Racial disparities in gonorrhea rates are even greater and racial gaps in diagnosis of gonorrhea are more pronounced than any other disease. The gonorrhea rate among African Americans was 18 times greater than that for whites in 2006 (658.4 per 100,000 vs. 36.5 per 100,000)

Although racial gaps in syphilis rates are narrowing, disparities remain, with rates in 2006 approximately six times higher among blacks than among whites.

but they add:

These disparities may be, in part, because racial and ethnic minorities are more likely to seek care in public health clinics that report STDs more completely than private providers. However, this reporting bias does not fully explain these differences. Other contributing factors include limited access to quality health care, poverty, and higher prevalence of disease in these populations.
racist!!!
2008-07-06 09:59:40
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6502

lowing wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Braddock wrote:


What about the stuff on sexually transmitted diseases and whatnot?
I got something here:

http://www.cdc.gov/STD/STATS/trends2006.htm

In 2006, the rate of chlamydia among African Americans was more than eight times higher than the rate among whites (1275.0 vs. 153.1 per 100,000 population), with approximately 46 percent of all chlamydia cases reported among African Americans.

Racial disparities in gonorrhea rates are even greater and racial gaps in diagnosis of gonorrhea are more pronounced than any other disease. The gonorrhea rate among African Americans was 18 times greater than that for whites in 2006 (658.4 per 100,000 vs. 36.5 per 100,000)

Although racial gaps in syphilis rates are narrowing, disparities remain, with rates in 2006 approximately six times higher among blacks than among whites.

but they add:

These disparities may be, in part, because racial and ethnic minorities are more likely to seek care in public health clinics that report STDs more completely than private providers. However, this reporting bias does not fully explain these differences. Other contributing factors include limited access to quality health care, poverty, and higher prevalence of disease in these populations.
racist!!!
My humble opinion is yes poverty is a factor for all those statistics but in these days, every american have equal chances of success if they work hard enough.. the proof is that you are about to have a black president.  Talking about slavery and the the fact that the White Man is preventing the minorities from achieving their goals is just wrong.  Stop blaming the white guy.
2008-07-06 10:04:07
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6639|Oregon

Spark wrote:

I fail to see how and where anybody could think that is racist.

Methinks you're coming up with what you think we think.
Yeah I agree here.
2008-07-06 10:39:55
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6833|Global Command

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Karma Message:     wow.......very powerful..lowing

Post [Nu7 - now banned, presumably for racism]:

28% of black males in the U.S will end up is prison
48% of blacks randomly tested had herpes 7% knew that had it
Out of all groups black females are the most over weight in the U.S
90% of all interracial crime is committed by blacks against whites
62% of black babies born in U.S are paid for by welfare
Even though blacks are out numbers 9 to 1 in the U.S blacks commit over half of the murders
32% of black males in there 20's are on parole or probation
blacks are 4.5 times likely to be on welfare than whites
Excuse me, is posting fact and stats now racist, when it goes against you?
It would help if we knew what the guy was banned for.

Last edited by ATG (2008-07-06 10:40:48)

2008-07-06 10:43:04
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6859

lowing wrote:

Sorry Cam, that is not true and you saying so, believe it or not, does little to make your bullshit true.. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/ob … ndits.html


Keep flailing Cam, you will get tired and succumb to your own bullshit and eventually drown in it.....
wow........very powerful

lowing:

"So the fact that Obama was addressing a black audience when he made these comments were just coincidental"

Your racism can be inferred easily from this comment. It's crystal clear. You are correlating Obama's message of personal responsibility with the audience he was addressing when in reality the audience is irrelevant. He wasn't preaching on personal responsibility because of the audience. If he was then he really would be a racist. QED

PS I went back to the thread where you congratulated a racist on his use of race-based statistics and your bullshit doesn't check out. You stated that you called his post 'very powerful' because it 'backed up his argument'. The post he made was his first post in the thread and all he did was post a bunch of race-based statistics: no argument was made. So you're full of shit, as usual. You liked the stats you saw and you 'high fived' that scumbag who advocated slavery.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-06 10:54:13)

2008-07-06 11:02:49
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7069|Cambridge (UK)

lowing wrote:

Taken from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_el_pr/obama

He preached individual responsibility, saying he knew he risked criticism for "blaming the victim" by talking of the need for parents to help children with homework and turn off the TV, to pass on a healthy self-image to daughters, and teach boys both to respect women and "realize that responsibility does not end at conception."


I think I have pretty much expressed these same feelings, yet was accused of being a racist for saying them. Looks like Obama is also a racist.

I wonder why he would be risking "criticism for blaming the victim" with these words. I guess it must be because there are plenty of other people, other than the parents, who need to be blamed for the raising of THEIR kids?

Anyway, Obama just gained a little respect from me for this comment.

Also he said

"We are not constrained by the accident of birth but can make of our lives what we will," Obama said. He was greeted when he arrived in the vast hall by the most thunderous cheering, waving and screaming that he has heard all week.

Oops a little personal responsibility jab there I think. Sorry for the kryptonite.
Can you really not see the difference?

lowing: Comes into a thread, about the high rate of criminality amongst American blacks in general, for example, and says, essentially, "they should get up off their lazy criminal asses and do a decent days work".

Obama: Makes a speech, that is actually about collective responsibility, during a presidential election campaign tour.

One is a point brought up in a discussion about black americans, the other is speech that covers all americans.

Or do you think his words don't apply to you?
2008-07-06 12:03:50
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sorry Cam, that is not true and you saying so, believe it or not, does little to make your bullshit true.. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/ob … ndits.html


Keep flailing Cam, you will get tired and succumb to your own bullshit and eventually drown in it.....
wow........very powerful

lowing:

"So the fact that Obama was addressing a black audience when he made these comments were just coincidental"

Your racism can be inferred easily from this comment. It's crystal clear. You are correlating Obama's message of personal responsibility with the audience he was addressing when in reality the audience is irrelevant. He wasn't preaching on personal responsibility because of the audience. If he was then he really would be a racist. QED

PS I went back to the thread where you congratulated a racist on his use of race-based statistics and your bullshit doesn't check out. You stated that you called his post 'very powerful' because it 'backed up his argument'. The post he made was his first post in the thread and all he did was post a bunch of race-based statistics: no argument was made. So you're full of shit, as usual. You liked the stats you saw and you 'high fived' that scumbag who advocated slavery.
Yeah Cam the fact that he was addressing a black audience lends me to the belief that he was...........addressing the black audience. You know you d onot even the beleive the bullshit you are trying to argue here so why not just cut the bullshit, I have dealt with your ass awhile now and this is not gunna work.

I already post the title of an article that pretty much says the same thing. So stop with your annoying bubbaloesque bullshit.

I ask you the same thing, if you didn't like the post, why did you ask ofr a reference of the stats? It really wasn't my job, I wasn't challenging it. You are.

Honestly Cam, if anyone is fulla shit, it is you
2008-07-06 12:09:50
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6955|USA

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Taken from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_el_pr/obama

He preached individual responsibility, saying he knew he risked criticism for "blaming the victim" by talking of the need for parents to help children with homework and turn off the TV, to pass on a healthy self-image to daughters, and teach boys both to respect women and "realize that responsibility does not end at conception."


I think I have pretty much expressed these same feelings, yet was accused of being a racist for saying them. Looks like Obama is also a racist.

I wonder why he would be risking "criticism for blaming the victim" with these words. I guess it must be because there are plenty of other people, other than the parents, who need to be blamed for the raising of THEIR kids?

Anyway, Obama just gained a little respect from me for this comment.

Also he said

"We are not constrained by the accident of birth but can make of our lives what we will," Obama said. He was greeted when he arrived in the vast hall by the most thunderous cheering, waving and screaming that he has heard all week.

Oops a little personal responsibility jab there I think. Sorry for the kryptonite.
Can you really not see the difference?

lowing: Comes into a thread, about the high rate of criminality amongst American blacks in general, for example, and says, essentially, "they should get up off their lazy criminal asses and do a decent days work".

Obama: Makes a speech, that is actually about collective responsibility, during a presidential election campaign tour.

One is a point brought up in a discussion about black americans, the other is speech that covers all americans.

Or do you think his words don't apply to you?
Nope his words apply to me, long before he spoke them, so I however, am not the one that needs this inspirational address.

My comments like his, applied to all who it applied to, if you are a hard working individual who earns their keep, my words shouldn't have been offensive, nor should they have needed challenged.
2008-07-06 12:36:06
Schittloaf
not fulla schit
+23|6206|MN
Obama can say that about parents (fathers) out of one side of his mouth but the other says "kids are a punishment to young women who make mistakes" Abortion is Wrong .  Obama is a double standard douche bag
2008-07-06 12:41:58
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7069|Cambridge (UK)

lowing wrote:

My comments like his, applied to all who it applied to, if you are a hard working individual who earns their keep, my words shouldn't have been offensive, nor should they have needed challenged.
This is where the problem lays.

You see, if you post in a thread about 'blacks committing crime', then you're comments relate to 'blacks committing crimes'.
2008-07-06 13:31:29
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6594|Éire

Schittloaf wrote:

Obama can say that about parents (fathers) out of one side of his mouth but the other says "kids are a punishment to young women who make mistakes" Abortion is Wrong .  Obama is a double standard douche bag
Okay we get it, you don't like Barrack Obama.
2008-07-06 13:38:52
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6594|Éire

lowing wrote:

I ask you the same thing, if you didn't like the post, why did you ask ofr a reference of the stats? It really wasn't my job, I wasn't challenging it. You are.
It's not your job to check the validity of information you are taking to be true? Whose job is it?
2008-07-06 14:26:21
Schittloaf
not fulla schit
+23|6206|MN

Braddock wrote:

Schittloaf wrote:

Obama can say that about parents (fathers) out of one side of his mouth but the other says "kids are a punishment to young women who make mistakes" Abortion is Wrong .  Obama is a double standard douche bag
Okay we get it, you don't like Barrack Obama.
and why the fuck would you care about Obama anyways you and cam live in Ireland ... doest really effect you guys anyways . you really have no clue....


btw the Monticristo at Bennigans is a tasty sandwich!!!
2008-07-06 14:37:20
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6594|Éire

Schittloaf wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Schittloaf wrote:

Obama can say that about parents (fathers) out of one side of his mouth but the other says "kids are a punishment to young women who make mistakes" Abortion is Wrong .  Obama is a double standard douche bag
Okay we get it, you don't like Barrack Obama.
and why the fuck would you care about Obama anyways you and cam live in Ireland ... doest really effect you guys anyways . you really have no clue....


btw the Monticristo at Bennigans is a tasty sandwich!!!
I suppose you're right, America has no impact on global economics.
2008-07-06 14:52:36
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

Braddock wrote:

Schittloaf wrote:

Braddock wrote:


Okay we get it, you don't like Barrack Obama.
and why the fuck would you care about Obama anyways you and cam live in Ireland ... doest really effect you guys anyways . you really have no clue....


btw the Monticristo at Bennigans is a tasty sandwich!!!
I suppose you're right, America has no impact on global economics.


Just ignore him. He has no clue.
2008-07-06 15:03:32
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6859

lowing wrote:

Yeah Cam the fact that he was addressing a black audience lends me to the belief that he was...........addressing the black audience. You know you d onot even the beleive the bullshit you are trying to argue here so why not just cut the bullshit, I have dealt with your ass awhile now and this is not gunna work.

I already post the title of an article that pretty much says the same thing. So stop with your annoying bubbaloesque bullshit.

I ask you the same thing, if you didn't like the post, why did you ask ofr a reference of the stats? It really wasn't my job, I wasn't challenging it. You are.

Honestly Cam, if anyone is fulla shit, it is you
Dance around your own written words all you like. They're there plain as day for all to see.

"So the fact that Obama was addressing a black audience when he made these comments were just coincidental"#

What exactly did you mean by that lowing, Mr. 'I'm not racist'?

Everyone can see those words with their own two eyes. I'm afraid it's you that is full of shit.

Your standard of posting has plummeted to an almost irreparable degree this past few months.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-06 15:05:54)

2008-07-06 15:08:26
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6094|Dublin, Ohio

lowing wrote:

So stop with your annoying bubbaloesque bullshit.
He can't.  I do not think you are racist.  I think these guys are jumping on you and trying to make something out of nothing to make themselves feel better or something.
2008-07-06 15:11:56
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6859

usmarine2 wrote:

lowing wrote:

So stop with your annoying bubbaloesque bullshit.
He can't.  I do not think you are racist.  I think these guys are jumping on you and trying to make something out of nothing to make themselves feel better or something.
You aren't exactly a bastion of rational thought usmarine. Nothing you've ever posted would suggest so anyway.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-06 15:12:34)

2008-07-06 15:12:48
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6094|Dublin, Ohio

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

lowing wrote:

So stop with your annoying bubbaloesque bullshit.
He can't.  I do not think you are racist.  I think these guys are jumping on you and trying to make something out of nothing to make themselves feel better or something.
You aren't exactly a bastion of rational thought usmarine. Nothing you've ever posted would suggest otherwise anyway.
Ya and?  I dont go around calling people racist.

 

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