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2008-07-02 02:27:27
Dilbert_X
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The guy isn't Judge Dredd FFS, he's a crazy old coot with a gun.
Until the law is passed which allows people to shoot others for suspected property theft its murder.

I'd like to be able to RPG anyone who cuts me off on the road.
Cutting off - could have caused an accident - thats attempted murder - the sentence  - Instant RPG Death by Dilbert.
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2008-07-02 02:31:04
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

The guy isn't Judge Dredd FFS, he's a crazy old coot with a gun.
Until the law is passed which allows people to shoot others for suspected property theft its murder.

I'd like to be able to RPG anyone who cuts me off on the road.
Cutting off - could have caused an accident - thats attempted murder - the sentence  - Instant RPG Death by Dilbert.
Well as if being murdered wouldn't be bad enough.......................but to be murdered by a Dilbert???........
2008-07-02 02:31:36
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7144|Cologne, Germany

lowing wrote:

I read all of this shit and I can get passed the fact that NONE of you will say...........Hey don't steal someone elses shit or you could get killed, it ain't worth it. You insist on saying ..........Hey don't kill someone who is trying to steal your shit, because your shit ain't worth it..........God I hate liberals.

Poor criminals
Poor lazy asses
Evil achievers
Evil rich people..


You guys are something else.
your little regard for human life scares me. Those two guys were criminals, no doubt about it. But did they deserve to die for what they did ?

They were running away from him, and he shot them in the back. the fucking back. That's despicable. That's not self defense, that's cold blooded murder. How anyone can defend this guy, is beyond me. But is shows what America has come to, letting this guy off, after having taken the law in his own hand like that.
2008-07-02 02:34:57
lowing
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+1,662|6954|USA

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

I read all of this shit and I can get passed the fact that NONE of you will say...........Hey don't steal someone elses shit or you could get killed, it ain't worth it. You insist on saying ..........Hey don't kill someone who is trying to steal your shit, because your shit ain't worth it..........God I hate liberals.

Poor criminals
Poor lazy asses
Evil achievers
Evil rich people..


You guys are something else.
your little regard for human life scares me. Those two guys were criminals, no doubt about it. But did they deserve to die for what they did ?

They were running away from him, and he shot them in the back. the fucking back. That's despicable. That's not self defense, that's cold blooded murder. How anyone can defend this guy, is beyond me. But is shows what America has come to, letting this guy off, after having taken the law in his own hand like that.
No what it shows is Americans for the most part are sick to death of people like you pampering criminals. Again don't preach about how you shouldn't try and rob someone, preach how it is wrong to defend against it.
2008-07-02 02:37:59
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6408|eXtreme to the maX
Well as if being murdered wouldn't be bad enough.......................but to be murdered by a Dilbert???........
It wouldn't be murder, it would be righteous slaying as I'm defending MYSELF from attempted murder.
Plus I bet everyone is sick to death of being cut off - no jury would convict.

BTW How many Americans are killed by fuckwit drivers compared with having their stereo stolen?
I'm fairly sure being burgled isn't usually fatal compared with being hit head on by a fucktard.
Where did I put my rocket launcher.....

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-07-02 02:41:03)

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2008-07-02 02:39:23
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Well as if being murdered wouldn't be bad enough.......................but to be murdered by a Dilbert???........
It wouldn't be murder, it would be righteous slaying as I'm defending MYSELF from attempted murder.
Plus I bet everyone is sick of being cut off - no jury would convict.
I agree.. hope that i am on your jury
2008-07-02 02:42:38
Dilbert_X
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So we are agreed, burglary and poor driving are capital offences.
Any other offers?
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2008-07-02 02:43:38
PureFodder
Member
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If I steal a pen from my office, would it be ok for the security guard to shoot me in the back as I leave the building?

More or less, everyone has committed theft and assault, if treading on someone else's lawn is B&E then everyone's done that too. Along with a wide range of other crimes from drinking in public, to tax evasion and huge numbers of health and safety laws broken. We're all criminals. Should we all be shot?
2008-07-02 02:53:35
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

So we are agreed, burglary and poor driving are capital offences.
Any other offers?
Yes...........pushing your shopping cart into my fuckin car because you are too lazy to put the damn thing in the cart corral.......We need to kill those people as well.
2008-07-02 02:57:01
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6408|eXtreme to the maX
Good point.
That reminds me, the guy in the next desk to me also parks next to me.
I have six dings in my door from his door.
I guess the sensible way to sort it out is follow him home and beat him to death with a bat.

Come to think of it, someone borrowed my stapler and I haven't seen it since.
The Channel 9 news copter is going to be busy tomorrow.

Jesus H Crispies - Get some perspective.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-07-02 03:01:58)

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2008-07-02 03:03:44
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Good point.
That reminds me, the guy in the next desk to me also parks next to me.
I have six dings in my door from his door.
I guess the sensible way to sort it out is follow him home and beat him to death with a bat.
Sounds reasonable, just don't use a red aluminium bat
..cuz that would be gay
2008-07-02 03:27:56
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6451|'straya

lowing wrote:

I read all of this shit and I can get passed the fact that NONE of you will say...........Hey don't steal someone elses shit or you could get killed, it ain't worth it. You insist on saying ..........Hey don't kill someone who is trying to steal your shit, because your shit ain't worth it..........God I hate liberals.

Poor criminals
Poor lazy asses
Evil achievers
Evil rich people..


You guys are something else.
1. Stealing is bad, we know, but the deterrant for criminals should be getting caught and prosecuted not death by angry redneck.

2. His "shit" wasn't being stolen, his neighbours was being stolen and he decided to shoot them while they were running away.

3. Don't worry us "Liberals" are as sick of you as you are of us.

4. No one here is pitying the criminals because they were criminals, but rather because their dead because of the actions of one stupid man. and im not sure this guy falls into the category of "achievers", unless he is because he achieved in not getting punished.
2008-07-02 04:28:32
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7144|Cologne, Germany

lowing wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

I read all of this shit and I can get passed the fact that NONE of you will say...........Hey don't steal someone elses shit or you could get killed, it ain't worth it. You insist on saying ..........Hey don't kill someone who is trying to steal your shit, because your shit ain't worth it..........God I hate liberals.

Poor criminals
Poor lazy asses
Evil achievers
Evil rich people..


You guys are something else.
your little regard for human life scares me. Those two guys were criminals, no doubt about it. But did they deserve to die for what they did ?

They were running away from him, and he shot them in the back. the fucking back. That's despicable. That's not self defense, that's cold blooded murder. How anyone can defend this guy, is beyond me. But is shows what America has come to, letting this guy off, after having taken the law in his own hand like that.
No what it shows is Americans for the most part are sick to death of people like you pampering criminals. Again don't preach about how you shouldn't try and rob someone, preach how it is wrong to defend against it.
where did I actually say that it is ok to rob other people ? Come on. I clearly said that those two were criminals.
But the punishment for burglary ain't death, and it was not Mr Horn's job to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, either.
He took the law in his own hands, shot two people that had done him no harm in the back, and gets to walk off free.

What kind of justice is that ?
2008-07-02 04:46:20
imortal
Member
+240|6967|Austin, TX

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:


your little regard for human life scares me. Those two guys were criminals, no doubt about it. But did they deserve to die for what they did ?

They were running away from him, and he shot them in the back. the fucking back. That's despicable. That's not self defense, that's cold blooded murder. How anyone can defend this guy, is beyond me. But is shows what America has come to, letting this guy off, after having taken the law in his own hand like that.
No what it shows is Americans for the most part are sick to death of people like you pampering criminals. Again don't preach about how you shouldn't try and rob someone, preach how it is wrong to defend against it.
where did I actually say that it is ok to rob other people ? Come on. I clearly said that those two were criminals.
But the punishment for burglary ain't death, and it was not Mr Horn's job to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, either.
He took the law in his own hands, shot two people that had done him no harm in the back, and gets to walk off free.

What kind of justice is that ?
Well, here in the US, all crimes get taken before a Grand Jury who decides if it should be procecuted.  In this case, they decided not to try to prosecute.

Nobody said the situation was perfect.  Back in my Criminal Justice days in college (back in the early '90s) by professor told us about to local crimes (local then was northern Georgia).  One was a man and wife taking a college fratertaty hostage at gunpoint and forcing them to clean his lawn (that the same fraternity toilet-papered).  Another was a man having sex with his 13 year old daughter.

Granted, this was only by anecdote, but in both cases, the Grand Jury declined to send an indicment.

Was it a factor that these two men were illegal aliens?  Most likely.
2008-07-02 04:47:46
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6130
Yeah, I'm pretty sure B.Schuss was pretty clear on what a jury is and how it works.

Last edited by ZombieVampire! (2008-07-02 05:22:49)

2008-07-02 05:17:39
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

I read all of this shit and I can get passed the fact that NONE of you will say...........Hey don't steal someone elses shit or you could get killed, it ain't worth it. You insist on saying ..........Hey don't kill someone who is trying to steal your shit, because your shit ain't worth it..........God I hate liberals.

Poor criminals
Poor lazy asses
Evil achievers
Evil rich people..


You guys are something else.
1. Stealing is bad, we know, but the deterrant for criminals should be getting caught and prosecuted not death by angry redneck.

2. His "shit" wasn't being stolen, his neighbours was being stolen and he decided to shoot them while they were running away.

3. Don't worry us "Liberals" are as sick of you as you are of us.

4. No one here is pitying the criminals because they were criminals, but rather because their dead because of the actions of one stupid man. and im not sure this guy falls into the category of "achievers", unless he is because he achieved in not getting punished.
1. Stealing is bad...............OBVIOUSLY it can get you killed..............don't steal

2. I don't give a shit if they were robbing a bank and this guy pulls out a gun a shoots them dead..........There are 2 less PIECES OF SHIT littering our streets....moral of the story................don't steal

3. I seriously doubt that, that could be possible.

4. You can pity any criminal you want, I will reserve my pity for the victims of such people and praise the fact that we have 2 less in the world. and sleep well knowing it
2008-07-02 05:20:30
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:


your little regard for human life scares me. Those two guys were criminals, no doubt about it. But did they deserve to die for what they did ?

They were running away from him, and he shot them in the back. the fucking back. That's despicable. That's not self defense, that's cold blooded murder. How anyone can defend this guy, is beyond me. But is shows what America has come to, letting this guy off, after having taken the law in his own hand like that.
No what it shows is Americans for the most part are sick to death of people like you pampering criminals. Again don't preach about how you shouldn't try and rob someone, preach how it is wrong to defend against it.
where did I actually say that it is ok to rob other people ? Come on. I clearly said that those two were criminals.
But the punishment for burglary ain't death, and it was not Mr Horn's job to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, either.
He took the law in his own hands, shot two people that had done him no harm in the back, and gets to walk off free.

What kind of justice is that ?
Those 2 fuckheads were not punished..........They didn't make it that far..........They were shot in the committance of a crime..........A dangerous game that has consequences up to and including death.  Jaywalking is not a crime punishable by death, but you can certainly get killed doing it you do it.
2008-07-02 05:21:27
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6130
If a driver went out of their way to hit a jaywalker, would you expect them to be charged?

lowing wrote:

1. Stealing is bad...............OBVIOUSLY it can get you killed..............don't steal
Yes, we're agreed, you shouldn't steal.  That's not the issue in discussion.

lowing wrote:

2. I don't give a shit if they were robbing a bank and this guy pulls out a gun a shoots them dead..........There are 2 less PIECES OF SHIT littering our streets....moral of the story................don't steal
Would you be as forgiving if they were forced to steal to feed their children?

lowing wrote:

4. You can pity any criminal you want, I will reserve my pity for the victims of such people and praise the fact that we have 2 less in the world. and sleep well knowing it
Perhaps we are better of for having two less robbers.  That doesn't make the shooter right.  Get rid of him and it's three birds with one stone.

Last edited by ZombieVampire! (2008-07-02 05:22:17)

2008-07-02 05:29:28
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7144|Cologne, Germany

imortal wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:


No what it shows is Americans for the most part are sick to death of people like you pampering criminals. Again don't preach about how you shouldn't try and rob someone, preach how it is wrong to defend against it.
where did I actually say that it is ok to rob other people ? Come on. I clearly said that those two were criminals.
But the punishment for burglary ain't death, and it was not Mr Horn's job to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, either.
He took the law in his own hands, shot two people that had done him no harm in the back, and gets to walk off free.

What kind of justice is that ?
Well, here in the US, all crimes get taken before a Grand Jury who decides if it should be procecuted.  In this case, they decided not to try to prosecute.

Nobody said the situation was perfect.  Back in my Criminal Justice days in college (back in the early '90s) by professor told us about to local crimes (local then was northern Georgia).  One was a man and wife taking a college fratertaty hostage at gunpoint and forcing them to clean his lawn (that the same fraternity toilet-papered).  Another was a man having sex with his 13 year old daughter.

Granted, this was only by anecdote, but in both cases, the Grand Jury declined to send an indicment.

Was it a factor that these two men were illegal aliens?  Most likely.
most likely ? I bet may ass it was. I'd also bet a lot of money that no naturalized colombians were on the jury.

Just for a second, let's imagine the two burglars weren't illegal aliens from colombia, but sons of respectable US citizens, maybe Senators, or Ministers. Would the outcome have been the same ? You be the judge.. ( sic)

As much as I admire the US for letting 12 people un-knowledgable of legal matters, randomly pulled of the street, decide the fate of the accused, I really believe a case like this shows the flaws in that system.
The fact of the matter is, these two men are now dead because Mr Horn made a conscious decision to kill them. Of course he said he was acting in self defense. He knew quite well that was his only chance of getting away with killing two people. How someone can act in self defense by shooting two people running away from him in the back though, is something only the Grand Jury knows....
2008-07-02 05:33:30
lowing
Banned
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ZombieVampire! wrote:

If a driver went out of their way to hit a jaywalker, would you expect them to be charged?

lowing wrote:

1. Stealing is bad...............OBVIOUSLY it can get you killed..............don't steal
Yes, we're agreed, you shouldn't steal.  That's not the issue in discussion.

lowing wrote:

2. I don't give a shit if they were robbing a bank and this guy pulls out a gun a shoots them dead..........There are 2 less PIECES OF SHIT littering our streets....moral of the story................don't steal
Would you be as forgiving if they were forced to steal to feed their children?

lowing wrote:

4. You can pity any criminal you want, I will reserve my pity for the victims of such people and praise the fact that we have 2 less in the world. and sleep well knowing it
Perhaps we are better of for having two less robbers.  That doesn't make the shooter right.  Get rid of him and it's three birds with one stone.
Yes.......Jaywalking is a victimless crime.........robbery is not.

1. It is the discussion, 2 robbers were killed in as robbery attempt. I know by now that even if it were the actual homeowner that pulled the trigger, you would be screaming for his head as well.

2. Since when do kids it plasma tv's?....Besides, there are plenty of places where you can go to eat for free...Don't gimme this I need babby food money bullshit.

4. I already asked this once and didn't get a response......Does Mr. Horn have a criminal record? Has he done anything like this before? Then lets not assume he is mad man waiting to gun down anyone he sees.
2008-07-02 05:40:03
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6130

lowing wrote:

Yes.......Jaywalking is a victimless crime.........robbery is not.
What if somebody were leaving a supermarket where they'd stolen a chocolate bar, and got shot.

lowing wrote:

1. It is the discussion, 2 robbers were killed in as robbery attempt. I know by now that even if it were the actual homeowner that pulled the trigger, you would be screaming for his head as well.
Oh, right.  So, the issue isn't what happened, it's what you know we'd have thought if something else had happened.  Well, I guess with that logic you can win any argument.

lowing wrote:

2. Since when do kids it plasma tv's?....Besides, there are plenty of places where you can go to eat for free...Don't gimme this I need babby food money bullshit.
That doesn't answer the question.

lowing wrote:

4. I already asked this once and didn't get a response......Does Mr. Horn have a criminal record? Has he done anything like this before? Then lets not assume he is mad man waiting to gun down anyone he sees.
So, in your world murder is a three strikes sort of a crime?  Or does he just get a gimme for not being arrested for so long?

Last edited by ZombieVampire! (2008-07-02 05:40:28)

2008-07-02 05:54:39
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

ZombieVampire! wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yes.......Jaywalking is a victimless crime.........robbery is not.
What if somebody were leaving a supermarket where they'd stolen a chocolate bar, and got shot.

lowing wrote:

1. It is the discussion, 2 robbers were killed in as robbery attempt. I know by now that even if it were the actual homeowner that pulled the trigger, you would be screaming for his head as well.
Oh, right.  So, the issue isn't what happened, it's what you know we'd have thought if something else had happened.  Well, I guess with that logic you can win any argument.

lowing wrote:

2. Since when do kids it plasma tv's?....Besides, there are plenty of places where you can go to eat for free...Don't gimme this I need babby food money bullshit.
That doesn't answer the question.

lowing wrote:

4. I already asked this once and didn't get a response......Does Mr. Horn have a criminal record? Has he done anything like this before? Then lets not assume he is mad man waiting to gun down anyone he sees.
So, in your world murder is a three strikes sort of a crime?  Or does he just get a gimme for not being arrested for so long?
A supermarket is not as personal as someones home. If a criminal gets killed in an attempt to commit a crime..................good ridance.

Uhhhh the argument mainly has been that these guys were shot in the back, and that no property is worth killing over, also they were running away and no longer a threat.....This leads me to believe that they should not have been shot at all, by anyone, including the owner......Or, am I wrong here..You would condone the owner shooting them under these conditions......I doubt I am wrong however, but if so please correct me.

Taking food away from someone elses kids to feed yours is not acceptable and could get you killed.

Nope, all I am saying is, you all are making this guy out ot be a coiled spring itching t oshoot someone, the fact that he has never done anything like this before pretty much dilutes that theory.
2008-07-02 06:00:26
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7144|Cologne, Germany

lowing wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:


No what it shows is Americans for the most part are sick to death of people like you pampering criminals. Again don't preach about how you shouldn't try and rob someone, preach how it is wrong to defend against it.
where did I actually say that it is ok to rob other people ? Come on. I clearly said that those two were criminals.
But the punishment for burglary ain't death, and it was not Mr Horn's job to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, either.
He took the law in his own hands, shot two people that had done him no harm in the back, and gets to walk off free.

What kind of justice is that ?
Those 2 fuckheads were not punished..........They didn't make it that far..........They were shot in the committance of a crime..........A dangerous game that has consequences up to and including death.  Jaywalking is not a crime punishable by death, but you can certainly get killed doing it you do it.
lowing, please. Not even a police officer would have had the right to shoot those two burglars under those circumstances.

And we're not talking about accidental death or s.th. These men are dead because someone made a conscious decision to kill them.
They were humans, just like you and me, maybe with families. Your lack of compassion saddens me.
2008-07-02 06:08:33
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6130

lowing wrote:

A supermarket is not as personal as someones home. If a criminal gets killed in an attempt to commit a crime..................good ridance.
So you would approve of running down a jaywalker?

lowing wrote:

Uhhhh the argument mainly has been that these guys were shot in the back, and that no property is worth killing over, also they were running away and no longer a threat.....This leads me to believe that they should not have been shot at all, by anyone, including the owner......Or, am I wrong here..You would condone the owner shooting them under these conditions......I doubt I am wrong however, but if so please correct me.
Under those conditions, no.  Because there's not threat to the owner, therefore how can you justify lethal force?

lowing wrote:

Taking food away from someone elses kids to feed yours is not acceptable and could get you killed.
What if you know they can afford to get more?

lowing wrote:

Nope, all I am saying is, you all are making this guy out ot be a coiled spring itching t oshoot someone, the fact that he has never done anything like this before pretty much dilutes that theory.
No, it doesn't.  It just says he never had an excuse he felt good enough to get away with it.

Having said that, that isn't what we're suggesting he is.  Any more than the robbers were coiled springs itching to gain ill-gotten goods.  What we're suggesting is that the situation could have been resolved much better if he had:
a)  Used common sense

or

b)  Listen to the fucking operator
2008-07-02 06:39:51
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6646|tropical regions of london
some shit head was killed up the street from me yesterday

 

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