Ok, first off, it was not staged. This video has many holes in it and is only presenting evidence that backs their staged claims. Second, Ted kennedy, hillary, and many other Dems would run with factual evidence that would get Pres. Bush kicked out of office. Proof of 9/11 being staged would get the entire administration booted. Third, I have beach front property in Arizona to sell to you.xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
you guys didn't even watch the video. fact is, if it was staged then we're following an unjust cause in this war
Heli crash:xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
yeah moron, if you saw it you'd know it has nothing to do with an initiation for a war you idiot. It has to do on how too perfectly everything fell into place and how there was no significant debris at the pentagon and a hell of a lot more. and they're only fucking stupid if you're too fucking patriotic||BFA||xZeler8 wrote:
wow, um, i don't even know what to say...except, why are conspiricy theorists so fucking stupid...i'm not even going to waste my time and watch this video...it actually makes me sick to think that people could be so idiotic as to suggest the president would do something like that with the intention to start a war...
Only one problem - helicopters (especially big one's like the transport heli in the picture) fly about 400 mph less than a commercial jet liner. Also, massive sections of a building did not fall onto the helicopter like at the Pentagon. Stop being a complete idiot and face the facts.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
Heli crash:xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
yeah moron, if you saw it you'd know it has nothing to do with an initiation for a war you idiot. It has to do on how too perfectly everything fell into place and how there was no significant debris at the pentagon and a hell of a lot more. and they're only fucking stupid if you're too fucking patriotic||BFA||xZeler8 wrote:
wow, um, i don't even know what to say...except, why are conspiricy theorists so fucking stupid...i'm not even going to waste my time and watch this video...it actually makes me sick to think that people could be so idiotic as to suggest the president would do something like that with the intention to start a war...
before - http://www.break.com/index/bb664.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb665.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb666.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb667.html
Look at the size of the helicopter before and then after it crashed and burned.
Google - CBS and memogate for your answer.xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
what do you mean doctored, these are what were shown on cnn and cnn.com and pictures that were broadcasted on serious news channels. So now you're saying those trusted news channels were broadcasting doctored pictures and footage?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Looks like another Michael Moore Piece of shit to me. Seen it a Million times. Looks doctored in many spots to Sucker People into this thinking. Just Like Moveon.org does with its hate mongering.
Same shit different day. Blame can be spread all the way back to 1992 to present day. Deal with it, they were or are both Liers in some ways.
Have another Hummer Bill, And Arnold, Keep smoking those Illegal Cuban cigars in Public.
Harry
Face what facts?=DBD=TITAN126 wrote:
Only one problem - helicopters (especially big one's like the transport heli in the picture) fly about 400 mph less than a commercial jet liner. Also, massive sections of a building did not fall onto the helicopter like at the Pentagon. Stop being a complete idiot and face the facts.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
Heli crash:xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
yeah moron, if you saw it you'd know it has nothing to do with an initiation for a war you idiot. It has to do on how too perfectly everything fell into place and how there was no significant debris at the pentagon and a hell of a lot more. and they're only fucking stupid if you're too fucking patriotic
before - http://www.break.com/index/bb664.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb665.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb666.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb667.html
Look at the size of the helicopter before and then after it crashed and burned.
As lil jon says, "WHHAAATTTTTT????".=DBD=TITAN126 wrote:
Only one problem - helicopters (especially big one's like the transport heli in the picture) fly about 400 mph less than a commercial jet liner. Also, massive sections of a building did not fall onto the helicopter like at the Pentagon. Stop being a complete idiot and face the facts.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
Heli crash:xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
yeah moron, if you saw it you'd know it has nothing to do with an initiation for a war you idiot. It has to do on how too perfectly everything fell into place and how there was no significant debris at the pentagon and a hell of a lot more. and they're only fucking stupid if you're too fucking patriotic
before - http://www.break.com/index/bb664.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb665.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb666.html
after - http://www.break.com/index/bb667.html
Look at the size of the helicopter before and then after it crashed and burned.
What building was this company in? I woke up and saw that one building had been hit. I could have gone to my computer and IMd my friend in the other building to get the hell out.Rathji wrote:
The company that recieved the instant message warnings was the Odigo Company, an Israeli-based "instant-messaging" software company, in the WTC, who received messages in the hours before disaster struck that the World Trade Center would be hit. Apparently 2 of thier employees recieved such messages.
If you did you would know that demolitions blow the base foundations and work their way up the building. WTCs fell because the planes took out multiple floors.(BS)Commander_Canuck wrote:
OK well, forgetting about the "opinions" in the video there is some very valid points, the biggest one being 1 fact that I can verify from experience in the field, I worked for a number of years for a company that removed debrie from building demolition sites, I had the opportunity to speak with the demo experts on a daily basis and I know what it takes to make a building just collapse on itself and fall mostly into its own footprint (which is exactly what ALL the wtc towers did ) it takes months of planning using building blueprints and very well timed and placed charges in order for it to work correctly. Skyscrapers DO NOT collapse from fire damage no matter how hot it gets, if they ever did manage to fall over they would do just that fall OVER, the WTC buildings fell into themselves at barely slower than they would fall if they were dropped in freefall, the ONLY way this would be possible is if there are NO supports within the building left to slow the fall, meaning that they were puposely brought down using carefully planned explosive charges, now you will say "how did they put all those charges in without someone seeing?" and here's your answer... in the months leading up to 911 the buildings were emptied several times and the power completely cut (first time in the history of the buildings they had completely cut the power on purpose) this turned off all of the security camera's and left the 80+ "building engineers" free roam of the towers. This was explained as drills, and fire suppressant upgrades, so... the only real questions left are not HOW did they come down because there is really only one way it could have happened, but who? why? those answers are right in front of your nose, and you all know it, Patriotism is not standing behind your leaders when they are not standing behind the country, I think your confusing your blind Nationalism with Patriotism and the two are just not the same. (BTW asking why they would do it is ridiculous, there are literally 100's of billions of dollars to be made from war and rebuilding contracts in Iraq, as well as the power that was reaped by the current administration from the changes made to your so called "constitution" or whats left of it. For the "Land of the Free" you sure gave up your rights quick...
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I am curious to what punched a hole through all those levels of the pentagon then? If it in fact melted everything what made the hole?Mawaya-no-kami wrote:
I think that the Pentagon situation looks fishy but there is some logical explanation to it. The hole is weird but think about it. All of that mass slamming into the building is going to cause a lot of force. Aircraft grade aluminum is going to melt and get compacted by the subsequent force, explosion and ensuing fire. How do you know what the building and any remains of the aircraft would look like? This is the first time something like this has happened. Who can say how it would or would not appear?
As for the World Trade Centers, was the steel used in the construction of the floor slabs the same grade as the core? The fact is, If the steel in any part of the building's construction was heated it would weaken. All you need is one little stress failure and the whole thing pancakes to the bottom.
More food for thought:pokerplaya wrote:
i dont think anyone doesnt believe 2 jets hit the towers.however if the towers structural integretity failed on or around the the floors where the fires were,why did they collapse?they are already being supported from the bottom of the building.it seems strange to me that they collapsed due to fire as they are the only buildings of its type to do so.a b25 bomber crashed into the empire state building in 1945 and its structural integrity was not compromised.the wtc was well advanced in design and construction,yet failed structurally.was this to do with bad design or construction?if so another coverup.if not how did they collapse?magic?bad luck?or something a lot more sinister.mans greed can drive him to anything.why is there no footage of the pentagon attack?so many questions.just food for thought.
Well that is sound logic. Off to find me some bleach and something strong enough to hold my fat ass up when I go to hang myselfxanthpi wrote:
If you're not 100% sure that the WTC/ Pentagon/ etc attacks were carrier out by Islamic terrorists then I suggest you euthanise yourself without delay, in order to halt your genes in their tracks. Slit your wrists, take a whole bottle of sleeping pills and wash it down with bleach before hanging yourself, just to be sure. You'll be doing the world a big favour. We need less of your sort.xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
I'm not sure where I stand, but just watch this and tell me what you think. It's an hour long tho and even more.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 3762628848
I don't know. I cut and paste that text directly from the website of some Israeli newspaper, and I am just going to assume that the linewannabe_tank_whore wrote:
What building was this company in? I woke up and saw that one building had been hit. I could have gone to my computer and IMd my friend in the other building to get the hell out.Rathji wrote:
The company that recieved the instant message warnings was the Odigo Company, an Israeli-based "instant-messaging" software company, in the WTC, who received messages in the hours before disaster struck that the World Trade Center would be hit. Apparently 2 of thier employees recieved such messages.
Punched through three walls... Take a look here:Mawaya-no-kami wrote:
How many walls did it punch through? I know that the Pentagon is said to have reinforced outer walls but are the inner ones the same also? Please inform.
No, we need less people that will blindly be '100% sure' of anything. We live in a probablistic universe and no one person ever knows everything or even has access to the all the facts.xanthpi wrote:
If you're not 100% sure that the WTC/ Pentagon/ etc attacks were carrier out by Islamic terrorists then I suggest you euthanise yourself without delay, in order to halt your genes in their tracks. Slit your wrists, take a whole bottle of sleeping pills and wash it down with bleach before hanging yourself, just to be sure. You'll be doing the world a big favour. We need less of your sort.xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
I'm not sure where I stand, but just watch this and tell me what you think. It's an hour long tho and even more.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 3762628848
F4 Phantom video:bob_6012 wrote:
Of course there were no remnants of 737's found at the Pentagon nor 747's at the WTC...wanna know why? Because they didn't use 737's or 747's!!! They used 757's and 767's...I know it's a little nit-picky...but what you said was true...however...keep in mind everyone that a jetliner travels in the area of 500-600 mph...and we all know how great security cameras are...they're designed to capture faces and liscense plates...not full speed airliners...no significant debris you say? Well let's look at the numbers here...a fully loaded 757...which was what was crashed into the Pentagon...has a max takeoff weight of 255,000 pounds...now let's say for the sake of arugument and since I don't know how much fuel it took off with...airliners rarely takeoff with full tanks...and since I don't know how much fuel it burned before it hit the Pentagon...I'm gonna put the weight of it at 200,000 pounds...that's 100 tons...ok...now take that and figure it's flying at maybe 300-400 mph that low...that's a lot of impact force...it's no wonder no one could find sizable chunks....because the god-damn thing got vaporized...it's akin to a test I saw once where they put an old F-4 Phantom on a jet-rail track...and ran it full speed into a thick concrete wall that they use on nuclear reactors...it turned the plane into dust...the only things that survived reasonably well were the wingtips because they didn't impact...they just kinda skidded along the sides...I believe that a 757 hit the Pentagon...there is camera proof...I have seen it...and if ya don't believe me then how do you discredit the 100 or so eyewitnesses that saw that plane hit the Pentagon? Were they brainwashed by some government agency? Not likely...let's see what else haven't I addressed...ok...the hole? Ok yes a nose cone does get disfigured rather quickly...because it's only a thin piece of carbon fiber...but keep in mind the other 99.99 tons behind it...allright...the explosion...I don't wanna be a jerk here but how do you know how big a fireball would be when an airliner crashes? Have you done the math? Are you a fireball expert? Keep in mind here that it is a building...buildings are open on the insde...there was plenty of places that the flames could and did go inside the building...there is no way that anything other than a jet hit the Pentagon...and I have gone on the net and done research on the weights and types of planes here...feel free to cross reference me...I got the plane info from wikipedia...and I saw the camera footage on a National Geographic documentary if I had a copy I'd be willing to share but I only caught it on the tv so if ya wanna see you're gonna have to look for it yourself...the F-4 footage on some history channel documentary...and anything else is either me applying what I know about airplanes...since I am a liscensed pilot...and common senese...oh and another thing about the vid...it mentioned the order to get all aircraft on the ground...and then it said that that order hadn't been given since 1903...um anyone else realize that the Wright Brothers hadn't made the first flight EVER until December 17, 1903? So who, or how could anyone order that since there was only ONE airplane flight in 1903...and the first government agency that had any control over the aviation industry wasn't created until 1926...things aren't adding up here...oh my god they did it again...they screwed up their facts...they said a B-52 crashed into the Empire state building...in fact it was a B-25...oh well...honest mistake I guess...but it's hard to give credit to something when they're spouting false facts...Marconius wrote:
elvis, remember you are typing in a forum, not speaking to us personally. Therefore, any way that you think your words and phrases may come across as sarcastic pretty much flies out of the window. Even if you go as far as you can to be obviously ridiculous to prove a point, there are still people in these forums that type that way and are serious about it, so you'll instantly get pegged as one of those people.
Try using a <sarcasm> </sarcasm> signifier or something...
And jonnykill was right in using the term "forensic." It's the use of scientific methods and techniques to the investigation of a crime. Here's an example:
A Forensic study would go like this --
FACT: A 737's wingspan is 94'9" to 103' wide.
FACT: The hole in the pentagon was only a few feet in diameter.
FACT: There were absolutely NO remnants of a 737 in the crash site.
FACT: The only uncovered debris shown in the media was too small to have come from a 737.
FACT: The hole that was punched through the ring sections couldn't have possibly been formed from the 737 nose-cone, as it deforms extremely quickly when put under high stress.
FACT: The explosion in the 5 released frames from a Pentagon entrance camera is proof enough to show it's not a 737. The explosion is not massive enough, you can't see anything as massive as a 737 in the frames (motion blur/shadow/no vertical stabilizer nor wings).
Conclusion: A 737 didn't hit the Pentagon.
HALLIBURTON!::!!?!?!??!!... which means... CHENEY!?!?!?!?!?...Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Maybe it really was Al Queda that carried out the attacks. Maybe it was the US government. Maybe it was some other third party.xanthpi wrote:
If you're not 100% sure that the WTC/ Pentagon/ etc attacks were carrier out by Islamic terrorists then I suggest you euthanise yourself without delay, in order to halt your genes in their tracks. Slit your wrists, take a whole bottle of sleeping pills and wash it down with bleach before hanging yourself, just to be sure. You'll be doing the world a big favour. We need less of your sort.xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
I'm not sure where I stand, but just watch this and tell me what you think. It's an hour long tho and even more.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 3762628848