*TS*tphai
The Forum Alien
+89|6806|The planet Tophet
you humans complain too much
Kamekamekame
Member
+0|6638
Now my n00b t00b lags. Seriously, if I shoot with it the grenade takes a half a second to launch out of the tube. All I do is use the bullets now, completely ignoring the tube even at mid range.
KillerYaNk
Hard Case
+11|6681|S.E. United States
overall,I find it has a bit too many bugs and way too much lag
also the "problem with your connection" has increased and trust me I have "no" connection probs
as far as game play,being able to throw a hand grenade 3 miles seems odd...

but as we speak(complain) the new one's in the works(as we all know)
maybe,just maybe they may get it where we can just play the damn game and have some fun with it
miracles have happened,havent they?
KillerYaNk
Hard Case
+11|6681|S.E. United States

specialistx2324 wrote:

okey okey .. here is the truth for all you people

1) No matter what patch comes out, there will be problems. Patches are not intended to make every player happy, and if they advertise that.. be warry. Look at World of Warcraft where every patch was designed to nerf paladins. Plain and simple

2) Anti Aircraft complaints. In real life a plane getting hit by AA fire/ missiles has a 95% chance of crashing. I seen F-15 flying low and getting hit by tank shells and manage to run away. UHHHH whats wrong with that picture.

3) this patch is starting to make the game more realistic. That means no Bunny hopping with dao-12's and other exploits. BAttlefield 2 is supposed to make a realistic replica of the experiences of modern warfare. It is not UT 2004. I am a master sgt. and i am  alot better than some of these fools that claim to be the masters of this game by using cheats, exploits, hacks, and stat padding. In fact just because some of these idiots are higher ranking than me does not mean i have to kiss their feet.

4) I went from a player with a 0.5 k/d ratio to 1.07 in just two months. I change my gameplay alot. One thing i do is spend more time hiding alot.... this is the reason i play only one class: Spec Ops. I get to hide, snipe with my g36 and place c4 on tanks to blow up. YOU CANT SHOOT WHAT YOU CANT SEE. When i play i do my absolute best to conceal myself at all times. i never work with a squad unless i am support or medic. i work alone and thats a fact. I make my own squad and lock it so no one will join.


I am the master of stealth, cunning ,espionage, demolitions, sabotage and a natural sharpshooter.  i am professionalx2324... by the time you see me comming.. well the next thing you will see in your screen is a phrase like this : You have been killed. Respawn in 15 seconds.
now there's a man with alot of confidence and Im not going to say your full of bs
Special-Ops 283:52:38 11,219 10,254 1.09
stats speak for themselves

I myself play sp ops kit most and may use a tactic or two of yours
drunkengunz
Member
+0|6637
well... some people seem to take this shit too serious.

calm down... it's only a game.

let's be patient and see what 1.21 will bring.

why don't you progam your own games and play by yourself, so you won't have to complain...

try to suck your own dicks before you complain about a blowjob....
Silverwolf3032
Member
+0|6701
Only three real complaints.
#1. PKM is now the master ground pounding gun, which is totally gay. Yes, it is a very powerful gun, but it just owns toooo much
#2. I'm about to quit playing because of this - stupid one-shot BODY-SHOT kills with the L89g1.
#3. Laggier
Hairymop
Member
+0|6733
Well girls, I can't believe how much bitching I am seeing here.

The PKM to over powered, sniper rifles kill to quickly, can't noob toob someone point blank...listen to yourselves.

The machine gun (PKM) was so powerful during WW1 that the British army had to invent Tanks to get through the German lines, so heaven forbid <dripping sarcasm> 50 years later they built a light machine gun that can kill at range.

A modern sniper rifle can drop an elephant, why shouldn't one hit from it kill a person. If you are that concerned about snipers, it's pretty simple...KEEP MOVING!

Whine whine whine, I can't believe how much of this I have heard. I have never complained to EA about noob toobing, I just adjusted my game play to counter it. If you are even half a gamer then you should be able to do the same. Can you imagine the President of the US shouting how unfair it is that some enemies invention has completely neutralized ballistic missiles or the airforce??? I think not, the military would do some research and figure out a way to beat it. It's that simple.
fred nurk
Member
+0|6636
I thought at first the patch was quite good, but playing on it for half an hour and connection got lost. Intending not to be disheartened by this i continued and it happened again. This is starting to get on my nerves as i can now no longer play on a server for longer than 30 mins without it crashing, and it freezes temporarily at least twice again which is frustrating for someone who plays commander a lot and is nearlly at one of the timeswhere lots of medals are available.
Another problem reappeared with this patch as well, after playing commander for a while on a machine gun, the player becomes unable to move and can only be sorted by quiting.
THE PREVIOUS PATCH WAS MUCH BETTER!
WELL DONE EA! (again)
Apart from technical difficulties (i.e. THE WHOLE THING IS NOW USELESS) i think the new stuff is pretty good. Despite the FN P90 seems pretty crutty at first, after five or six shots i've found i usually get a headshot. If you played 1942 the sniper rifles in that killed out right, and why should they have devolved( i think thats a word!)? Personally i like the PKM, and in real life one pistol round is likely to kill you and a huge machine gun like that is gonna hurt even with armour.
and in the unlikely event EA look at this, how about spectre gunships(or something similiar) in the next patch for us land lubbers to get our air ribbons and badges/medals.
The ranks give me problems, as to get to the highest rank you need to be able to fly jets, i am quite good with helicopters still, but think this is unfair for those who are not.

Last edited by fred nurk (2006-02-25 13:17:23)

Shadow_jdct
Member
+4|6664
For me, flying is pretty much what I play the game for. If I want a good shooter, I can play CS or whatever. In the first couple of hours I hated the patch, but y'know, after a couple of days of flying the choppers and planes, I actually like it. I find myself being MUCH more vigilant in the chopper, and much more reliant on intelligent tactics. For example, when I get a lock on me, instead of dumping flares, wheeling around and charging straight at the IGLA I now dive for the deck, get behind some buildings, hills, whatever, then circle back around to flank whatever's shooting at me. It's much harder, and my kill/death ratio is much, much worse. But it is kinda fun. SA missiles are still a joke when I fly a plane, I can still get ratios of 10:1 or more--sometimes in a j10 or F35. Realistically though, the missiles are just a tad too accurate, and they end up pulling off some crazy zigzags and 90+ degree turns. The missile mechanics need to be reworked so that it is a little more possible to evade them without flares. Not to say that they should be as they were before... just a little more realistic.
On another note, I have to point out that choppers and planes were ALREADY nerfed in this game right from the beggining. A real AH-1Z carries 16 hellfires (tv missiles), which are laser guided, meaning that if this game were truly realistic, the choppers would essentially be equipped with insant kill weapons that lock onto vehicles, just like the bombers except stationary and able to fire pretty much one after the other. They would also employ advanced radar and IR, all kinds of crazy detection stuff that means they know where targets are from miles away.
Anyway. Yes air combat is harder, but in some ways it is more fun. I don't really know much about ground combat, as I rarely play it, but from what I've seen it's not really any different.
Dodger_me
Member
+0|6636
the only prob ive have found AT ALL IS THE AT mines tk turn off and most of the time my game scores arnt updating like i lost about 500 points 2day unless it updates soon But stop bitching its a hell of a lot more realistic now minus u can use a parachute at any hight
KillerYaNk
Hard Case
+11|6681|S.E. United States
as far as stats loading,you can always count on a wait.sometimes up to 24 hrs on the weekend
I know alot of us may say we cant stand this or cant stand that,but in time we will learn to adjust
to most of the changes that are more than likely here to stay
its like attitude,make the right adjustments and it can be better
the next so called fix the patch patch,1.21, should help us out with making our adjustments
so the key now,even as much as they state on their site how feveriously there working,we have to be patient(http://www.ea.com/official/battlefield/ … s/home.jsp)
its been 4 days,as Ive been monitoring the site, since their last anouncement.so, Im hoping no news is good news.
personally I can deal with most all of the changes made,but I definatly dont like the "problem with your connection" and the lag has got me the most frustrated
its not my problem,its their's.
I meet all pc spec's and above with a gt 6600 128 gddr 3 nvidia and 1.5 gig ram
so I know I shouldnt lag
and my ping(cable) is alway's 35-45, unless I attempt to play in an out of U.S. server,which is nearly never
simply because those cats see my 100 + ping and give me the boot !

so until the release of the 1.21 my playing time will be minimal
what Ive done is gone to fileplanet and d/led some cool demo's to pass the time
the one Ive liked most and may consider getting the full version of is "commandos strike force"...

so to my fellow gamer's around the globe,we are forced to wait on the 1.21
so be patient and cross your finger's in hopes that maybe,just maybe they might get it working for us...

Last edited by KillerYaNk (2006-02-26 06:45:58)

EVIL_STYX
TANK WHORE
+62|6683|FIVE RIVERS OF HELL

Beatdown Patrol wrote:

LOL!  Listen to all the no-talent flyboys (NTFBs) whine!!!!  AA is too powwahful! 

Give me a stinkin' break, you spoiled brats.  Why is it that everybody else in the game is allowed to die in less than a second, but you can't?   This is supposed to be a "Rock-Paper-Sissors" type game where everything is supposed to have some type of viable counter.  Tank kills Sniper.  Anti-Tank/Special Forces kills Tank.  Sniper kills AT/Special Forces.  Getting the drift?

Airpower has run UNHINDERED since this games release with absolutely NOTHING that could consistantly kill them even when you have the drop on them.  I can't give enough examples of Helo pilots laughing at me as they fly away after having enough rounds pumped into them to give the pilots lead poisoning.  Or what about when you pump 20 rounds in to one with an APC only to have it turn around and blast you to scrap.  Or what about when you nail a Helo with a 120mm smoothbore cannon on your tank and the pilot turns around and sends you to heaven with one strafing run.

Ya see...the problem is that most of the NTFBs have no clue how deadly AA is in real life...hence their tactics in the game are based on a false perception that air power trumps everything.  Newsflash, NTFBs...something with radar tracking or puts up 4,500 rounds per minute is SUPPOSED to be respected and is supposed to kill you in less than a seconds.  That is why you avoid the stationary ones or kill them with TVGMs.  Now, instead of flying around the battlefield and laughing like an NFL linebacker playing in a high school football game, you have to worry about something that can actually challenge your superiority.

Instead of jumping into a thread and whining about how you can no longer get 20 to 1 kill ratios, I suggest you STFU and start thinking about how you are going to need to change your previously "untactical" tactics.  That is what we have been doing while trying to figure out how to stay alive against your previously unchallenged superiority.

- Beatdown
AMEN TO THAT BROTHER! could not have said it better myself. patch is pretty damn good IMO.
EVIL_STYX
TANK WHORE
+62|6683|FIVE RIVERS OF HELL

-=THC_RU=- wrote:

just because u cant play why should others suffer? I had no problem shooting down a chopper or a plane from thise stingers and especially from AA vehicles.

Just because u suck at something does not mean that others should suffer because of that.

Perfect example: I was playing Operation Cleansweep last night as a commander. Our team was left with one point to respawn and the enemy stole our bomber. So they had 2 bombers and a fighter jet. My team was bitching  about them being stat padders, plane whores, and whatever else u people come up with. But no one wanted to leave the base to capture flags no matter how many orders I gave. They were only crying about being bombed. So I (commander) run to a different spawn point, captured it, took the plane and shot them down. All 3 of them. You know what it is called? PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME!!!

If u cant do that, may be u should stop playing? Or get yourself  SIMs and play all u want, on the other hand your character might die, who will u bitch to then? Huh?

Why would you waste your money on a game that u think sucks and needs to be changed? Why not get an infantry only game?
And no matter how powerful the AA are it is still very hard to shoot down a plane or a chopper in real life. In real life u dont have to wait for flares to reload (u have a limited ammount of them), u just shoot them out so u dont get hit.
I am a fighter pilot dude, I fly Mig-31.
U can see when there is a missile going to shoot u down, u have a radar to see that, so u can take evasive actions.
Seriously, I have to ask you to put what ever it is that you are smoking down BUD! They have SAM's that DO NOT go for any type of flare or chaff and are 10X more maneuverable than any aircraft out to date and they do not miss. Evasive Action LMFAO! Every day ground pounders this day and age have shoulder mount SAM's that do exactly that, if Joe priv. gets a solid lock on you from the ground your ass is grass, thats why jets fly very high and fast and attack choppers you don't even see, they are hidden behind a building or mountain etc... If you get takin out by a chopper 999 time out of 1000 you didn't even see him. They have adapted why don't you!

Nice try FIGHTER PILOT, any time you want to go over intel on modern equipment just PM "dude"!
DeadboyUSMC
Member
+65|6699|NCFSU2
^^^

Kill!
MC Boogs
Member
+0|6646
A few things:

(1)  For all you people that site "real life" as good support for the way things behave in game now I would like to remind you that we are playing a GAME - one that is supposed to be an fast twitch FPS, not a slow tactical Rainbow Six type affair.  Yes, the PKM and Sniper Rifles behave more like their "real life" counterparts now, but that upset the way the GAME plays.  I'll say it before and I'll probably say it again - I really believe BF2 is less fun now [this has a lot to do with instability as well as balance issues]. 

(2)  Building off of #1 - I am ultimately happy with the 1.2 patch.  I really think it butchered BF2, but I am fortunate in that has me playing Counter-Strike again - which always has been and always will be Emperor of the Online FPS World.  I'm sure one day CS will eventually fade away from mainstream popularity, but it's still amazingly popular - and its unbelievable staying power for a computer/video game will never be eclipsed.

Do what's best for you...  Use BF2 as a doorstop and break out CS.
ArMaG3dD0n
Member
+24|6835|Deutschland/Germany
First of all:
To everyone who s complaining about us "whiners" who "bitch" about the game all the time. If noone would be complaining and if noone would say what should be changed to improve gameplay the game would be totally f*cked up. If you cant understand why so many people are complaining about something chances are that they are just "more experienced" or simply better at BF2 than you and therefore know what needs to be done.
And like Boogs said dont say "in real life it should be like this" because it always makes me laugh so hard I may fall off my chair someday and break my neck.
------------------------
So here s my "whining":

After another round of PKM-only with 60 kills/10 deaths I m starting to feel like a cheater when I m using it.
PKM is good at close range!
PKM is VERY good at middle range!
PKM can take out snipers at long range (and everyone else too...)! Single shot kills them all!
Even if you are STANDING you can still kill guys at middle range quite ok and can still own at close range. I mean.....there s no weak point. The only thing that can kill me when I got a PKM is heli/tank/arty. Additionally you dont have to reload. Since the patch I cant stop using it I m already addicted.........but I really feel bad for every guy I kill....
mattrsch
Yeah, that thing I said
+18|6635|Ames, IA

EVIL_STYX wrote:

-=THC_RU=- wrote:

just because u cant play why should others suffer? I had no problem shooting down a chopper or a plane from thise stingers and especially from AA vehicles.

Just because u suck at something does not mean that others should suffer because of that.

Perfect example: I was playing Operation Cleansweep last night as a commander. Our team was left with one point to respawn and the enemy stole our bomber. So they had 2 bombers and a fighter jet. My team was bitching  about them being stat padders, plane whores, and whatever else u people come up with. But no one wanted to leave the base to capture flags no matter how many orders I gave. They were only crying about being bombed. So I (commander) run to a different spawn point, captured it, took the plane and shot them down. All 3 of them. You know what it is called? PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME!!!

If u cant do that, may be u should stop playing? Or get yourself  SIMs and play all u want, on the other hand your character might die, who will u bitch to then? Huh?

Why would you waste your money on a game that u think sucks and needs to be changed? Why not get an infantry only game?
And no matter how powerful the AA are it is still very hard to shoot down a plane or a chopper in real life. In real life u dont have to wait for flares to reload (u have a limited ammount of them), u just shoot them out so u dont get hit.
I am a fighter pilot dude, I fly Mig-31.
U can see when there is a missile going to shoot u down, u have a radar to see that, so u can take evasive actions.
Seriously, I have to ask you to put what ever it is that you are smoking down BUD! They have SAM's that DO NOT go for any type of flare or chaff and are 10X more maneuverable than any aircraft out to date and they do not miss. Evasive Action LMFAO! Every day ground pounders this day and age have shoulder mount SAM's that do exactly that, if Joe priv. gets a solid lock on you from the ground your ass is grass, thats why jets fly very high and fast and attack choppers you don't even see, they are hidden behind a building or mountain etc... If you get takin out by a chopper 999 time out of 1000 you didn't even see him. They have adapted why don't you!

Nice try FIGHTER PILOT, any time you want to go over intel on modern equipment just PM "dude"!
I suppose you have a lot of first-hand experience with SAM's?  How would you know weather or not they go for flares.  Oh, sorry, you probabily saw it in a movie.  my bad.  But serioulsy, jets CAN evade missles, because they ARE more menuverable.  A missle may be able to pull a turn with twice the G-force of a jet, but a jet travels much much slower, giving it a lot smaller turning radius.  A well trained pilot can pull menuvers to evade that make it physically impossible for the missle to turn and hit the jet.
EVIL_STYX
TANK WHORE
+62|6683|FIVE RIVERS OF HELL
I suppose you have a lot of first-hand experience with SAM's?  How would you know weather or not they go for flares.  Oh, sorry, you probabily saw it in a movie.  my bad.  But serioulsy, jets CAN evade missles, because they ARE more menuverable.  A missle may be able to pull a turn with twice the G-force of a jet, but a jet travels much much slower, giving it a lot smaller turning radius.  A well trained pilot can pull menuvers to evade that make it physically impossible for the missle to turn and hit the jet.
Nothing against you, but it does get old just like your post when someone is trying to "kick" some knowledge and don't have a clue what there talking about! I see just from your post you most play alot of video games. I have a assignment for you if you choose to accept it. Go to any search engine and do alittle research on modern surface to air missle's, what you will find and what I have already stated is not classified information. So before you start running off at the keyboard figure it out please and thank you!

Anywhoo, I like the fact that jets are not untouchables anymore! You can still evade a SAM in the game it just takes more skill. That was the only piece of equipment that had no counter IMO! Instead of your SAM's going every which way but loose, now they go where there suppose to which is in some what of the direction you fired the damn thing.

Last edited by EVIL_STYX (2006-02-27 20:00:59)

saitek-x52-pilot
Member
+1|6714
this game was about 3 problems from being fixed at patch 1.12  now it just took a bunch of steps back.  i cant stand this game now.  All of the guns were fine.  they took skill to learn how to use them and i was equal at all of the kits.  the support weapon wa great if you knew how to use it.  now its unmatched.  the AA sucks for jets and helis.  it is a garanteed death if you hear the buzzer.  I agree they needed to change the accuracy of the aa in 1.12 but not that much.  the lowered damage is fine on the helis i think.  but the aa is rediculous.  flying is a difficult enough skill to master and acutally gets kills now its takes a friggin 40 hour a week expert to actually stand a chance.  (ronin patton is probably getting pissed now) I really like the dolphin dive fix.  that was great.  the jump and shoot is fine too. im pissed because i love flying and it has made it impossible and a new breed of AA whore has developed.  I have to jump in the aa with a pkm to get kills in the game now. (slightly exaggerated)

Id like to post on EA's forum but i cant seem to sign up for an account.  web page is adn shitty as this game has become

Last edited by saitek-x52-pilot (2006-02-27 20:41:30)

prettybird
Member
+10|6724

EVIL_STYX wrote:

I suppose you have a lot of first-hand experience with SAM's?  How would you know weather or not they go for flares.  Oh, sorry, you probabily saw it in a movie.  my bad.  But serioulsy, jets CAN evade missles, because they ARE more menuverable.  A missle may be able to pull a turn with twice the G-force of a jet, but a jet travels much much slower, giving it a lot smaller turning radius.  A well trained pilot can pull menuvers to evade that make it physically impossible for the missle to turn and hit the jet.
Nothing against you, but it does get old just like your post when someone is trying to "kick" some knowledge and don't have a clue what there talking about! I see just from your post you most play alot of video games. I have a assignment for you if you choose to accept it. Go to any search engine and do alittle research on modern surface to air missle's, what you will find and what I have already stated is not classified information. So before you start running off at the keyboard figure it out please and thank you!

Anywhoo, I like the fact that jets are not untouchables anymore! You can still evade a SAM in the game it just takes more skill. That was the only piece of equipment that had no counter IMO! Instead of your SAM's going every which way but loose, now they go where there suppose to which is in some what of the direction you fired the damn thing.
what do you know about skill? you suck at every thing you touch at this game noob. you suck at aviator, heli and ground. dont mention skill when you have none.
FrEaK
Member
+1|6783|Finland
I just hate this stupid patch...they should get the perfect 1.12 back!!
The bunnyhopping, diving etc. wasn't never really a problem to me...
cant even throw c4 now when jumping!
|sRs|VooDoo
Member
+0|6633
I hate the patch. So much so I am no longer playing this game. I went back to DC..
EVIL_STYX
TANK WHORE
+62|6683|FIVE RIVERS OF HELL

prettybird wrote:

what do you know about skill? you suck at every thing you touch at this game noob. you suck at aviator, heli and ground. dont mention skill when you have none.
Looky here, a guy with some real skill calling me noob. I would bet if I looked your stats up and looked at when you where a gunnery sgt., I would just bet that I would have much better stats then you at the point I'm at in the game, I have my fare share of badges and ribbons.

I think I do just fine at this game and have a good time doing it.

Maybe I will see you on the Battlefield!

Edit: ROFLMFAO! Damn, I just looked at your stats. You have 400hrs in and you are just a master sgt, and you are not even close to what I have with just over 100hrs, WHO DOESN'T HAVE ANY SKILL, YOU SUCK PRETTYCHICKEN, I mean U SUCK BAD!

Back on topic, why does it take so long to lay C4 now, I still like the patch for the most part other than the C4 and lag issues!

Last edited by EVIL_STYX (2006-03-01 14:28:43)

gasman14
Member
+1|6652
to make it real simple....   IM NOT PLAYING THIS GAME ANYMORE   EVER.

I fucking agree if someone from EA is reading this  FIX THE FUCKING PATCH, I quit, all my friends quit playing, even my clan quit playing like for gods sake put back bunny hopping and dolphin diving,  be able to shoot while jumping and dim down the AA and mont of all LENGTHEN THE FUCKING FUSE ON TV MISSILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


FUCK YOU EA


PS,
Sorry for the swearing but I quit BF2 and all EA products
colonel_pwnage
Member
+-1|6634|Springfield, MO
I was greatly anticipating the release of 1.2, but now that it has I wish I played more often BEFORE the patch came out.  I felt that killing off bunny hopping noob toobers which annoyed me the most would be AWESOME, but it was just replaced with something far far more sinister...  Claymore whores and belly boys...EVERYWHERE!  You can't even spawn anymore without A.  Being blown up by a claymore.  B.  Being picked off by a spawn camping sniper.  Not to be a hypocrite, but I had to see what all the fuss was about with claymores before 1.21 came out to fix it.  O...M...G...Being a USMC sniper I followed a group of guys in Karkand to the first flag area where the alley is leading into the square section where nades rain like rainforest weather.  There was as usual, medic packs and ammo packs laying everywhere you go.  I was lucky enough to chain-lay claymores all the way to the ladder spawn point and began attracting attention.  At first no one seemed to realise that I was amongst them all, perhaps they didn't expect to see an enemy sniper running through 15-20 MECs, but once they realised my presence and began chasing me and shooting me, I'd run ove a medic pack and ammo pack before they could kill me.  I ran back and forth through this alley dropping claymores like a flower girl and managed to rack up 40 kills before dying the first time that round earning me a Master Explosived Ordinance medal in the process.

I was stunned with what I was able to do, this multi-claymore hack has to go.  Sure I might have taken advantage of it once or twice, but who hasn't.  I do see that its wrong, the 1st claymore should vanish after laying down a 3rd just like the 1st C4 vanishes after laying down a 6th C4.

Need I even mention the problem with stingers and AA?  I'm not claiming to be the best pilot out there, but before this patch I was able to out-menuever about 95% of missile attacks and stingers without flares just using good piloting skills and performing some crazy high-G dives and rolls to get out of the way.  Not anymore...  If you run out of flares and someone with AA gets a tone on you, its time to bail or you die.  There is NO way out of it.  I've done some high-G dives sideways while flying between a crane and various other obstacles that actually surprised me that I pulled off and still got shot down.  This is BS, the Claymores and the AA need to get fixed pronto!

I am upset as well about the elimination of standing to shoot and going prone to dodge in a firefight and the elimination of dolphin diving.  A lot of skill is required to manuever yourself and dodge fire while hiding behind things and jumping prone through the air.  Now that you can't do either of those things, the controls of the game feel like you're controlling robocop rather than a flesh & blood human.  Might as well have everyone from both sides line up at the start of each round and begin firing muskets when the commander yells charge and the side with the last man standing wins.  All for what?  To quell the lamenting and bitching of a few skill-less noobs who are pissed off because they keep getting owned by skilled players and take out their tantrums on the forums.  Shame on you Dice/EA!

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