BF2S Forums Europe ya better change your laws ...Or else!!...Islam at its best.

lowing wrote:

1. The perpetrators of terrorism is terrorists. I do not put them in the same catergory as a murderer. Terrorism changes global economies elections, along with the victims families....Or do you not see the difference?

2. For me prudence and vigilance dismisses your beloved political correctness. I am not concerned about profiling or hurting someones' feelings as much as you are.

3. I love how you have pegged all Americans as torture lovers based on the actions of what, 3 or 4 ill guided soldiers. And Islamic terrorism, and other delightful Islamic actions and beliefs fill the newspapers including this OP and you say I am generalizing.......and you talk about hypocrasy. Good stuff.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-06-11 00:51:04)

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. The perpetrators of terrorism is terrorists. I do not put them in the same catergory as a murderer. Terrorism changes global economies elections, along with the victims families....Or do you not see the difference?

2. For me prudence and vigilance dismisses your beloved political correctness. I am not concerned about profiling or hurting someones' feelings as much as you are.

3. I love how you have pegged all Americans as torture lovers based on the actions of what, 3 or 4 ill guided soldiers. And Islamic terrorism, and other delightful Islamic actions and beliefs fill the newspapers including this OP and you say I am generalizing.......and you talk about hypocrasy. Good stuff.

1. What's your point? It's criminality at the end of the day. You already stated you don't have a magic answer and you're correct in this regard because there is no magic answer. You continually whine about terrorism to no particular end: you have no answer, nor does anyone. Get over it and live your life and let domestic security and international intelligence operatives do their job. Either do something about it, come up with a plan or be prepared to have people laugh at your hysterical bigoted rants with no seeming underlying point or purpose.

2. And what? I'm afraid you won't send me down the same path Hitler and Goebbels sent their fellow Germans in demonising millions on the basis of a general commonality. I regard that as something commendable.

3. Inability to read ftw! Observe the terminology: "generalised impression". I don't hold that view because I'm more discerning than that and I realise that not all Americans are like you. In fact not many Americans are like you if opinion polls are anything to go by. I take solace in that. And Gitmo is an institution not a 'blip'. I'm sorry if I don't believe in holding 15 year old boys without trial is a commendable thing and that beating, stress positions, sleep deprivation, waterboarding and other such savoury activities - on people who could potentially be innocent - is a good thing.

Basically, make a coherent concise point or risk the ridicule you suffered in recent threads all over again.

lowing wrote:

1. Please explain why, in your arrogance, you have decided that Islamic terrorism is not worth talking about, yet Israel/ Palestine is the soup of the day, EVERY DAY. As if YOU can solve those problems...

lowing wrote:

2. Yes of course Cam, nothing like going over the top is there? There is nothing I have said that compares to the persecution of the Jews. Not one damn thing.

lowing wrote:

3.  I have made my point......and that point is An Islamic country warned you that attacks will happen if you do not change your laws...If you do not want to discuss it, then go start another Israel thread or something. If you do, then do so. Again your arrogance is pretty staggering, only in your delusional king of the hill impression of yourself would lend you to think YOU can and have actually ridiculed a person over the fucking internet.........I can see you have had a cup of ego with your heaping bowl of Lucky Charms this morning Cam.

lowing wrote:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C06%5C08%5Cstory_8-6-2008_pg7_14

It is a short read, but basically, Pakistan will ask the EU to change its laws concerning freedom of expression or terrorism could not be ruled out...


Of course, just ask the posters on this forum and you will learn there is nothing to worry about. Funny how even a Muslim country is telling you, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

Ya gotta love that peaceful tolerant religion, Islam and those that deny their influences, don'tcha?

nukchebi0 wrote:

Not to be annoying, but do you two not ever get bored of the same circular debate that seems to happen in every Muslim related thread?

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. Cam, I do not like Islam, YOU do not like Israel. Explain to me how your disapproval for Israel does not translate into a disapproval for all Jews. Yet my disapproval of Islam, some how means that I hate all Muslims as individuals? Believe it or not, I can dislike a religion without necessarily disliking individuals that practice it. Your problem is, you can not give that distinction because, like your argument with me against lazy people, it will dilute every argument you have against me. I bring these articles to the attention of this forum for one reason, to combat your insistence that there is not a problem with Islamic terror, Islamic appeasement, Islamic immigration, Islamic intervention. I also think there is a problem with Mexican appeasement, immigration and intervention. This does not mean I hate and condemn all Mexicans.

This has come about by you and others for one reason, to bolster your argument against my posts. Try arguing against what I actually say, instead of dramatizing my posts for your gains.There has been countless articles to suggest YOU are full of shit. Yet one by one you choose to dismiss them. Add them all up and that is pretty ridiculous to say there is not a problem. Also in the early days all you did was spout on about how there is no significant Islamic presence in Europe.  I am a little curious as to why you abandoned that position.

For you to say that you KNOW you will be attacked is news to me, since you put so much faith and trust into this religion.

Israel is a country whose government and military commit heinous crimes. Judaism is a religion. Islam is a religion. Islamic terrorists are a tiny warped subset of people with various political motives spread non-contiguously over a wide area with no strong central organisation. QED. No Islamic nations have impinged on our borders and terrorism of an Islamic nature is being handled as per how I want it handled - through intelligence gathering, arrests, trials, imprisonment and deportation. Simple as.

It's hilarious how your contradict yourself in a couple of sentences: on the one hand you contend that you don't 'hate all Muslims' and on the other you speak in a blatant generality 'faith and trust into this religion', as if it's the religion that's attacking us and not the individual. You're all mixed up lowing. You're own words betray your own bigotry and true feelings.

lowing wrote:

2. The only people I have singled out is Islamic terrorists. Unless of course you can show me where I name all Muslims as terrorists.

I'll quote your generality from above: "For you to say that you KNOW you will be attacked is news to me, since you put so much faith and trust into this religion." So now the entire religion and consequently all those who practice are gearing up to take us over, just like the Jews in the 30s eh lowing? lol

lowing wrote:

3. Actually, I will stand by every post I have made, I am not politically correct and I am proud of that. I do not feel like I have ridiculed myself That arrogance is exclusively yours.

Well, you can stand by your posts but they won't get much respect from rational thinkers.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. Islamic terrorists are not as disorganized as you think, they get funding for SOMEWHERE, they get training facilities and training grounds from SOMEWHERE, they get weapons from SOMEWHERE, and you want me to believe that, that SOMEWHERE is any place other than an Islamic nation or Arab nation? I already said I do not like this religion, its teachings its practices are what is warped and medieval.

They get training and facilities in Afghanistan and Pakistan. At present NATO are currently sorting out Afghanistan. The man with the money still hasn't been found despite George W. Bush' promise to smoke him 'out of his hole' some 7 years ago now. The Pakistani government is currently co-operating with the rooting out of these training facilities and the fight against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. We get you - you don't like Islam - no need to drag us down into your bigoted little hole with you.

lowing wrote:

2. I do not put any faith into this religion because this religion has done nothing to show me it is worthy of faith from outsiders. This faith teaches violence and if it does not outright practice that violence, it does very little to condemn it.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Muslim population of USA: < 2%. Hysterical much? You bet. Nobody asked you to put any faith in Islam ftr. It's like Hitler not deeming Judaism worthy of 'faith from outsiders' because of the disproportionate wealth the insular Jewish community had developed through usury and the disproportionate amount of political power they gained as a consequence.

It's funny how 2.6% of the population of the UK (rather tiny percentage) are Muslim and yet there has only been two incidents in the entire history of the Muslims long residency in that nation attributable to Islamic terror. Kind of shows up your hysteria for what it is and scotches your 'inherently violent' view of Islam.

lowing wrote:

3. Well it is a good thing that I am not out to win a popularity contest on the internet. If I were, I guess I would have blazoned this forum with pictures of myself, created catchy sigs and titles, and filled the HOF page with a mural of myself. Sorry, that just ain't me Cam.

It's also a good thing that you aren't a politician, because you'd have a hard time getting elected.

PS Kmarion created the HoF and the mural and all that jazz. FYI.

lowing wrote:

1. Really, JUST Afghanistan and Pakistan huh?? Are ya sure you do not want to add some other countries in there Cam?

lowing wrote:

2. 2 incedents of terror, and how many incidents of appeasement and back peddling to make sure other incidents of terror do not arise. Or are you really going to sit there and try and tell me that violent reactions of the Islamic community are not the first and formost on the minds of all govt. officials when decisions are made that might affect this group? Denial much. Again with the Hitler bullshit,

lowing wrote:

3. I suppose that is Kmarion who posts your mug all over the world chomping that ridiculous cigar.  Yeah, yer not an arrogant ass or an egomaniac.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-06-11 04:01:23)

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

So Cam, you have alot of faith in the ability of law enforcement to detect and flush out people who wish to do you harm?  i think this is an extremely hard job to do by the way.  To be more effective in that endeavor requires us to monitor behavior at mosques and communications, but both things are considered invasion of privacy issues and a 'slippery-slope'.

this is one issue i have with the law enforcement approach.  obviously it is less confrontational in that the world opionion would be less likely to be offended by US since it's not overtly attacking as in the current offensive posture we are pursuing.  However, with the defensive posture, we are always in reactionary mode.  Further, many liberals over here are attempting to pass laws or injunctions preventing us from using the tools to make the law enforcement approach practical and efficient.  Hence, we are being hamstrung from performing the tasks that need to get done to prevent problems from occuring.

Cam, in all your wisdom, can you suggest ways that would make the law enforcement approach more effective given this atmosphere?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-06-11 10:12:47)

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Terrorism is easy to combat if it is on foreign soil and the media isn't allowed to report what is going on.

too_money2007 wrote:

Shut. the. fuck. up. Cam.

Thank you.