ill send you a video in pmTurquoise wrote:
Well, I'd agree that we kiss the asses of Israel too much, but you're going to have to show me proof of the Cuban flag thing.killcommies wrote:
I think anyone with a brain realizes that aff. action needs to end. It seems to be president you have to kiss israel's ass. What makes them different than any other ally we have? We treat them like they are gods, its completely ridiculous. Also, obama's campaign headquarters in some states have a cuban flag with a picture of che guevara on them.Turquoise wrote:
Considering that Obama isn't even a socialist, you're quite wrong. The Left in America is conservative by European standards.
Whatever the case, I can tell that we're probably political opposites, but I think we can agree that affirmative action needs to end.
Obama's church is definitely concerning, but I don't think he shares the views of the nuts in his church. It wasn't only nuts who went to that church.
Why don't you post it here with a source ?killcommies wrote:
ill send you a video in pmTurquoise wrote:
Well, I'd agree that we kiss the asses of Israel too much, but you're going to have to show me proof of the Cuban flag thing.killcommies wrote:
I think anyone with a brain realizes that aff. action needs to end. It seems to be president you have to kiss israel's ass. What makes them different than any other ally we have? We treat them like they are gods, its completely ridiculous. Also, obama's campaign headquarters in some states have a cuban flag with a picture of che guevara on them.
Obama's church is definitely concerning, but I don't think he shares the views of the nuts in his church. It wasn't only nuts who went to that church.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
This is what he sent me...
http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
It's not very substantial, and it's kind of campy. Very propagandizing.
http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
It's not very substantial, and it's kind of campy. Very propagandizing.
couldn't get it to play.......Oh well.......Turquoise wrote:
This is what he sent me...
http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
It's not very substantial, and it's kind of campy. Very propagandizing.
Very.Turquoise wrote:
This is what he sent me...
http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
It's not very substantial, and it's kind of campy. Very propagandizing.
Anyone or any video that uses the "no flag pin" or "refuses to put his hand over his heart for the flag" argument has no argument at all and nullifies pretty much every point they've made otherwise, valid or not.
Especially when that whole "refusing to put his hand over his heart" thing started off of a chain e-mail.
Unless of course, you ar running for the president of the very country you refuse to acknowledge in gesture or respect.Poseidon wrote:
Very.Turquoise wrote:
This is what he sent me...
http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
It's not very substantial, and it's kind of campy. Very propagandizing.
Anyone or any video that uses the "no flag pin" or "refuses to put his hand over his heart for the flag" argument has no argument at all and nullifies pretty much every point they've made otherwise, valid or not.
The only statement they had on it was to do with flag pins, where he said he'd prefer to show his patriotism through his actions than through his attire, which I would have thought is a much better way.
Obama has since worn the flag pin... so at best he's inconsistent... His association to questionable individuals are benign but cumulatively...
it begs the question... how radical is he?
it begs the question... how radical is he?
Love is the answer
and what better way to show such patriotism than through involment in the Trinity church for 20 years. Oh wait, I forgot, he and Michelle never heard any of the hate mongering from the pulpit in all that time.ZombieVampire! wrote:
The only statement they had on it was to do with flag pins, where he said he'd prefer to show his patriotism through his actions than through his attire, which I would have thought is a much better way.
O...............k?
I never said you should vote for him, I just don't see how a piece of metal makes a difference.
I never said you should vote for him, I just don't see how a piece of metal makes a difference.
lmfao this post started with pure opinionated bullshit, and now ends with it.
Fitting.
On topic, calling someone a name is racist, but not illegal. You can choose to ostracize yourself by doing so, but no one is going to take you to jail.
Racism that is illegal, would be not allowing someone a job because of their race. Now it happens admittedly within affirmative action and the likes.
But are you going to tell me that the almost non existent chance that you don't get a job or school because you're white, compares to the opression minorities feel EVERYDAY in our country?
If you are, I'm sorry you feel so naively.
Fitting.
On topic, calling someone a name is racist, but not illegal. You can choose to ostracize yourself by doing so, but no one is going to take you to jail.
Racism that is illegal, would be not allowing someone a job because of their race. Now it happens admittedly within affirmative action and the likes.
But are you going to tell me that the almost non existent chance that you don't get a job or school because you're white, compares to the opression minorities feel EVERYDAY in our country?
If you are, I'm sorry you feel so naively.
Please tell me EXACTLY what oppression is being felt? Tell me how a person black or white, that dresses appropriately, finishes school, acts responsibly, and follows their ambition, is oppressed in today's society. Keeping in mind we could be voting on our first black president.oChaos.Haze wrote:
lmfao this post started with pure opinionated bullshit, and now ends with it.
Fitting.
On topic, calling someone a name is racist, but not illegal. You can choose to ostracize yourself by doing so, but no one is going to take you to jail.
Racism that is illegal, would be not allowing someone a job because of their race. Now it happens admittedly within affirmative action and the likes.
But are you going to tell me that the almost non existent chance that you don't get a job or school because you're white, compares to the opression minorities feel EVERYDAY in our country?
If you are, I'm sorry you feel so naively.
Please explain to me how suffering NOT endured by those that claim pain and suffering, are not riding the coat tails of the REAL victims of pre-civil rights America. DO you YOURSELF even remember a single day before 1968? I doubt it.
I am not naive. I am fed up with your double standard excuse for YOUR racism.
It is a form of expression, just like words are. Tell me if a "piece of metal" with a Swastika on it would make a difference to you.ZombieVampire! wrote:
O...............k?
I never said you should vote for him, I just don't see how a piece of metal makes a difference.
Its absence or presence speaks volumes
It wouldn't if I knew them to be a Nazi.
Yeah ok, I guess you are the only one in the world where appearance and symbolism and image means nothing. I am guessing if you built a company from the ground up, you would have no problem hiring a sagger as your company's public relations official. Please stop trying to play holier than thou with this bullshit.ZombieVampire! wrote:
It wouldn't if I knew them to be a Nazi.
So because I find it irrelevant whether a known Nazi wears a swastika I'd hire someone with an improper work ethic?
I dunno, you are the one spouting off that symbols mean nothing. That is why I asked. You can show support of a group without actually belonging to it. but again if symbology means nothing to you, that shouldn't matter.ZombieVampire! wrote:
So because I find it irrelevant whether a known Nazi wears a swastika I'd hire someone with an improper work ethic?
..or perhaps, how gullible are you for succumbing to propaganda?[TUF]Catbox wrote:
Obama has since worn the flag pin... so at best he's inconsistent... His association to questionable individuals are benign but cumulatively...
it begs the question... how radical is he?
What speaks volumes is your foolhardy fixation on a fucking pin.lowing wrote:
It is a form of expression, just like words are. Tell me if a "piece of metal" with a Swastika on it would make a difference to you.ZombieVampire! wrote:
O...............k?
I never said you should vote for him, I just don't see how a piece of metal makes a difference.
Its absence or presence speaks volumes
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the idea that a population such as black Americans can overcome the social and economic disadvantages, that were imposed on them, to gain an equal socio-economic standing as those who do not come from families with the same historical disadvantage, within the lifetime of those who were disadvantaged. (If you see what I mean (and all speaking in terms of whole populations and 'average individuals' within that population, not specific individuals, who's individual circumstances will very wildly, of course)).lowing wrote:
I didn't mean you as in you personally, it is always hard to distinguish that in a forum, so yeah I needed to clarify.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, I don't suffer any - being white and English, please don't use 'you' if you don't mean me.lowing wrote:
I'm sorry, but again I am gunna ask, when you will stop using this bullshit as an EXCUSE for personal failure? When you apply to a school, or a job, the application does not ask about your parents life they want to know bout YOU, and YOUR education, and YOUR training.
If you are going to sit there and tell me that a black person can not get an education in this country or can not get a job because he is black, or because his grandparents were pre-civil rights movement and you are suffering because of it. I will maintain that you are riding the coat tails of your fore fathers and their legitimate suffering, for your own gains. Your fore fathers should be rolling over in their graves from what the black community is trying to accomplish in this exploitation of THIER suffering and the hardships that they endured to bring you the freedom that you enjoy today. You dishonor them by using THEIR suffering as an excuse for your laziness and lack of ambition to get out and create your American dream.
Anyhoo, to answer what I think you meant to say - look it's simple - if you (yes, I do mean you personally here) are entered into a running race, and then when you get to the racetrack, you find that you have to run twice as far as everybody else, just because you've got freckle over you left eye, or whatever, would you not be a little pissed of?
As for your comment: Yeah I would be, IF that were the case. 50 years ago I would agree, the problem is the black community has over come those obstacles a long time ago and all that is left are those who do not even remember the civil rights movement yet insist they suffer from it. I do not buy this. It is an excuse for personal failure nothing more.
It has been a little over two generations since Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1968. That is, there are people alive today who's grandparents were involved in the civil rights movement.
Give it time.
lol, yeah, I invented image, symbols etc.........you to are gunna sit there and tell me flags, crosses, stars, swastikas etc...........mean nothing right? They are just cloth, wood, metal, and stones.Turquoise wrote:
What speaks volumes is your foolhardy fixation on a fucking pin.lowing wrote:
It is a form of expression, just like words are. Tell me if a "piece of metal" with a Swastika on it would make a difference to you.ZombieVampire! wrote:
O...............k?
I never said you should vote for him, I just don't see how a piece of metal makes a difference.
Its absence or presence speaks volumes
I am not fixated on shit, I simple know what it says about a presidential candidate who refuses to wear a flag pin in one speech and gives a bullshit reason why. Then wears one the next day. I also know what it means to not acknowledge the pledge of allegiance to the flag, specially from a presidential hopeful. I can also tell yo I do not want any such person running our country.
He is willing to met the president of Iran unconditionally, but refuses to meet with the general in charge of our military operations in a war we are currently engaged in?
Yeah he is the man we should want for president. In a pigs ass
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You speak as if ALL white people are previldged and do not have to work for anything. You speak as if there is no such thing as poor white trash. The excuse is old and tiresome, it is time to give it a rest and take control, if not responsibility for your successes and failures just like the rest of us. Stop insulting those that actually did suffer and endure by trying to make like that pain is yours.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the idea that a population such as black Americans can overcome the social and economic disadvantages, that were imposed on them, to gain an equal socio-economic standing as those who do not come from families with the same historical disadvantage, within the lifetime of those who were disadvantaged. (If you see what I mean (and all speaking in terms of whole populations and 'average individuals' within that population, not specific individuals, who's individual circumstances will very wildly, of course)).lowing wrote:
I didn't mean you as in you personally, it is always hard to distinguish that in a forum, so yeah I needed to clarify.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, I don't suffer any - being white and English, please don't use 'you' if you don't mean me.
Anyhoo, to answer what I think you meant to say - look it's simple - if you (yes, I do mean you personally here) are entered into a running race, and then when you get to the racetrack, you find that you have to run twice as far as everybody else, just because you've got freckle over you left eye, or whatever, would you not be a little pissed of?
As for your comment: Yeah I would be, IF that were the case. 50 years ago I would agree, the problem is the black community has over come those obstacles a long time ago and all that is left are those who do not even remember the civil rights movement yet insist they suffer from it. I do not buy this. It is an excuse for personal failure nothing more.
It has been a little over two generations since Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1968. That is, there are people alive today who's grandparents were involved in the civil rights movement.
Give it time.
I feel oppressed because the country my ancestry fought and died for is becoming a horrific epidemic of stupidity and liberal nonsense. They try to change history with their "diversity" - placing blacks in places they never were (in combat locations, etc) Afrocentrists try to claim Egypt was black (what a joke that is) They slam diversity on us in schools saying "learn this or your a racist" "worship them and if you hate this your a racist" We are forced to learn their culture but they never learn ours. They are a minority of the population but create a great portion of the crime - but when we present these facts we are labeled racists? why is it when a white person attacks a black its a hate crime and when its the other way around its just a fight? why is it blacks are 50 times more likely to attack a white person than the other way around?
Fact is, blacks are highly more racist than white people are - even though we are told differently in the television - statistics say otherwise, oh - and so does a bit of reality.
Fact is, blacks are highly more racist than white people are - even though we are told differently in the television - statistics say otherwise, oh - and so does a bit of reality.
Where did I say that this principle applies only to black Americans?lowing wrote:
You speak as if ALL white people are previldged and do not have to work for anything. You speak as if there is no such thing as poor white trash. The excuse is old and tiresome, it is time to give it a rest and take control, if not responsibility for your successes and failures just like the rest of us. Stop insulting those that actually did suffer and endure by trying to make like that pain is yours.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the idea that a population such as black Americans can overcome the social and economic disadvantages, that were imposed on them, to gain an equal socio-economic standing as those who do not come from families with the same historical disadvantage, within the lifetime of those who were disadvantaged. (If you see what I mean (and all speaking in terms of whole populations and 'average individuals' within that population, not specific individuals, who's individual circumstances will very wildly, of course)).lowing wrote:
I didn't mean you as in you personally, it is always hard to distinguish that in a forum, so yeah I needed to clarify.
As for your comment: Yeah I would be, IF that were the case. 50 years ago I would agree, the problem is the black community has over come those obstacles a long time ago and all that is left are those who do not even remember the civil rights movement yet insist they suffer from it. I do not buy this. It is an excuse for personal failure nothing more.
It has been a little over two generations since Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1968. That is, there are people alive today who's grandparents were involved in the civil rights movement.
Give it time.
The knock-on effect of socio-economic deprivation is not race specific - it effects all skin-pigmentation-variants equally.
I only used black Americans as the example because that is what the thread, your thread I hasten to add, is about.
However, to answer your point - the comparative proportions of black/white/asian/latino/martian/whateverian that start life in a disadvantaged situation, compared to their representation within the entire population, determines the apparent vocality of each group - the minority black population contains a much higher proportion of disadvantaged poor than the majority white population.
And don't say that socio-economic background bears no influence on the level of 'success' that an individual can achieve in his lifetime.
Equal opportunity is not the same as equal advantage.
Those that start the race half a lap ahead the course will, on average, do better than those that start half a lap behind.
Again, the only "advantage" anyone has are those that are born into wealthy families. Other than that there is no other distinguishing difference between the two races other than what is self inflicted.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Where did I say that this principle applies only to black Americans?lowing wrote:
You speak as if ALL white people are previldged and do not have to work for anything. You speak as if there is no such thing as poor white trash. The excuse is old and tiresome, it is time to give it a rest and take control, if not responsibility for your successes and failures just like the rest of us. Stop insulting those that actually did suffer and endure by trying to make like that pain is yours.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the idea that a population such as black Americans can overcome the social and economic disadvantages, that were imposed on them, to gain an equal socio-economic standing as those who do not come from families with the same historical disadvantage, within the lifetime of those who were disadvantaged. (If you see what I mean (and all speaking in terms of whole populations and 'average individuals' within that population, not specific individuals, who's individual circumstances will very wildly, of course)).
It has been a little over two generations since Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1968. That is, there are people alive today who's grandparents were involved in the civil rights movement.
Give it time.
The knock-on effect of socio-economic deprivation is not race specific - it effects all skin-pigmentation-variants equally.
I only used black Americans as the example because that is what the thread, your thread I hasten to add, is about.
However, to answer your point - the comparative proportions of black/white/asian/latino/martian/whateverian that start life in a disadvantaged situation, compared to their representation within the entire population, determines the apparent vocality of each group - the minority black population contains a much higher proportion of disadvantaged poor than the majority white population.
And don't say that socio-economic background bears no influence on the level of 'success' that an individual can achieve in his lifetime.
Equal opportunity is not the same as equal advantage.
Those that start the race half a lap ahead the course will, on average, do better than those that start half a lap behind.
I was not born rich, I also was given no advantage toward anything. In fact, affirmative action has done more to keep me out than any advantage you say I have for being white. So, by all means, be specific, tell me just what advantage a white person has in society over a black person in every day life.
Tell me what "whitey" has done to keep the black man down today. Is this the point where you will blame a lack of education, skills, ambition, training, effort, or attitude, on the whitey? All of which, by the way, is in the personal control of each of us, as individuals.