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Mystline wrote:

imortal wrote:

Mystline wrote:

The fact that you are trying to make an excuse to be racist yourself by saying its ok for black people to be racist but not ok for white people is ridiculous and racist in of itself. Its not ok for black people or yellow people or red people or any color of the rainbow for all I care to be racist, some people let it slide more than others and thats a mistake.

No, the absurdity is that if you take a given situation, that the determining factor if it is rascism seems to be the races of the people in the situation.  If a white person says something offensive about a black person, it is racism, but if a black person sayd something equally offensive the the white person, it is okay?  That situation is racism in and of itself.

Racism is making unwarrented assumptions, derrogatory remarks, or taking unfavorable actions based soley on someones race or skin color.  There is not a caviat saying (if it is a white person doing it to anyone else).

No you are the one saying that the determining factor is race, its not ok for a black person to call a white person whitey or honkey or whatever thats my point. You are trying to say its ok for a black person to say it when it isnt.

Mystline wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Mystline wrote:

No you are the one saying that the determining factor is race, its not ok for a black person to call a white person whitey or honkey or whatever thats my point. You are trying to say its ok for a black person to say it when it isnt.

I think imortal was implying that society itself accepts racism from blacks more than racism toward them, at least when it comes to blatant racist remarks.

And as I said in my original post, some people let it slide more than others and thats a problem.

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "Whiteboy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.

lowing wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "Whiteboy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.

I think I've been called half of those perhaps less than 10 times in my life.

is your point that it is not viewed as racist when it happened to you those, "less than 10 times"? If not, what exaactly is your point

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-06-01 03:59:09)

lowing wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

lowing wrote:

is your point that it is not viewed as racist when it happened to you those, "less than 10 times"? If not, what exaactly is your point

Oh, sure it was racist. My point was, unlike the garish display put on in the OP, that I haven't personally seen it to be that big of a problem. I haven't seen any ethnic pickets outside the Scottish Highland Games, if you want an example of predominantly white events. Sure, special events that everybody has to sit through are irritating (I, during public schooling, rolled my eyes every time Martin Luther King Day Month came around, and sighed at the rosy portrayal of Native Americans in November) , but it's better to take the example given in 'Boondocks,' say 'oh, hey, I'm white!' and forget about it.

Ok so do you agree that there is a double standard, regarding what is considered racism or not?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

lowing wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Didn't I just say that? If you read again, I've found it better to just ignore it and get back to work rather than get as agitated as 'the other side.'

No actually, you didn't "just say that", what you said was you agreed it was racist. That is not the question, the question is, do you agree that it is NOT considered racist by minorites who engage in it, and is in fact accepted

(I, during public schooling, rolled my eyes every time Martin Luther King Day Month came around, and sighed at the rosy portrayal of Native Americans in November)

I don't appreciate being snootily strong-armed in a glorified chat room, so I'm just going to let you take your best guess.

lowing wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

lowing wrote:

No actually, you didn't "just say that", what you said was you agreed it was racist. That is not the question, the question is, do you agree that it is NOT considered racist by minorites who engage in it, and is in fact accepted

(I, during public schooling, rolled my eyes every time Martin Luther King Day Month came around, and sighed at the rosy portrayal of Native Americans in November)

I don't appreciate being snootily strong-armed in a glorified chat room, so I'm just going to let you take your best guess.

Again, you are being elusive. A pretty simple question, how about a pretty simple answer, like yes or no, then with an explanation for it.
Do you agree or not, that minority's racial slurs, are given a pass, and in fact are accepted in society far and beyond those of white people?

Spearhead wrote:

Because the whites have been the agressors so far in human history.  It's exactly like the Israel/Hezbollah conflict.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-06-01 14:57:26)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Most of us conservatives have been called a racist for our views. Then I got sent this email and so I thought I would post it and see the responses. I am not the writer of this email so don't shoot the messenger.



Does anyone have answers to these questions????

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "Whiteboy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.

But when I call you, nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.



You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had white history month, we'd be racists. If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships,you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.



You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am proud. But, you call me a racist.





Why is it that only whites can be racists?

Because we whites weren't the ones being oppressed in the very near past.

paul386 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Most of us conservatives have been called a racist for our views. Then I got sent this email and so I thought I would post it and see the responses. I am not the writer of this email so don't shoot the messenger.



Does anyone have answers to these questions????

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "Whiteboy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.

But when I call you, nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.



You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had white history month, we'd be racists. If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships,you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.



You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am proud. But, you call me a racist.





Why is it that only whites can be racists?

Because we whites weren't the ones being oppressed in the very near past.

"we whites" is a racist term. You are grouping people together based on a common feature.

Who that lives in this country now was ever legally held in slavery?

No one.


Racism is grouping people together. Wether it be derogatory or not, it is still racism. Start thinking of people as individuals, and only then you are not a racist.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

paul386 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Because we whites weren't the ones being oppressed in the very near past.

"we whites" is a racist term. You are grouping people together based on a common feature.

Who that lives in this country now was ever legally held in slavery?

No one.


Racism is grouping people together. Wether it be derogatory or not, it is still racism. Start thinking of people as individuals, and only then you are not a racist.

I know. And I agree.

However, the oppression of people largely of African or Caribbean origin, largely by those of a European origin, continued for at least good 100 years after the abolition of slavery.

It's only been a little over 40 years since the US Civil Rights act was passed in congress.

We, you and I, may not have been doing the oppression, but our fathers/mothers or grandfathers/grandmothers (speaking generally) were.

So, whilst you are entirely correct that any grouping of people based on a common feature is discriminatory, it is, at the same time, entirely understandable that the children/grandchildren of people that were oppressed because of a shared feature might feel a little aggrieved with the children/grandchildren, as well as the parents/grandparents, of those that had oppressed their parents/grandparents.

If you see what I mean.