jason85
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+58|5995|Mesa, AZ

FEOS wrote:

I'm not a Spurs fan. I just don't like whiners who make excuses for their teams losing.

How'd that whole Shaq deal work out for the Suns?

Basketball is a contact sport. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously doesn't watch the game. Or has a very selective attention span.
Actually the Shaq deal was better than I first thought it would be. His numbers were up in Phoenix and he was more energetic than when he was in Miami. We knew he couldn't make a lot of free throws, but guess what? Even those were up. He got in team into the bonus a lot more than Phoenix was used to, and Amare dominated even more than he used to. If you ask me, I'm happy with the Shaq deal. I'll be even more so when other teams can't play bitch ball and "hack-a-Shaq" every quarter.

You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. Of couse, basketball is a contact sport. You are always being pushed and bumped and tapped and smacked. I just don't see how the Spurs get to play contact basketball while everyone else can't even touch them. As I have said for years, playing the Spurs is just not fair. They are allowed to grab players arms, knee them in the balls, among other things, without so much as a call. The other team, however, gets called for the foul for the tiniest things. As I have also said before, watch a game with the Spurs. Watch how Bowen grabs peoples arms. Watch how Duncan grabs jerseys. Watch how Ginobli lowers the sperm count on the other team with a nice crotch shot. All of those are no brainers, they are all fouls. But somehow Duncan's lack of coordination is grounds for a foul. Somehow when another teams jersey rubs against Parker or Duncan, it is an automatic foul. Duncan hacks a lot of people in the post, but he is known as a great defensive player, so he won't get the call, and instead gets credit for a block. Amare, or anyone else, gets a good block against Duncan, it must have been a foul, because Duncan dominates the post. I think it is bullshit for one team to be held to higher standards, while the other team plays as they want, with no consequences.

And one more thing? What excuses? I'm only echoing the general consensus of NBA fans across the nation. Nearly every single person I have spoken to, hates the Spurs, in Cali, in Arizona, in Seattle, and many other places. I bitch about the Spurs even when the Suns win against them. Everyone outside of San Antonio, and perhaps Texas, hates the Spurs from what I hear, and they feel the same way I do. They get away with too much shit. The NBA lately has been horrible with the way they call games. Even Rasheed Wallace said the Suns got screwed when they played the second time, at least according to Grant Hill, and to be honest, I find him to be trustworthy.
God Save the Queen
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jason85 wrote:

I have spoken to, hates the Spurs.
yes

Lakers win.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6409|'Murka

jason85 wrote:

And one more thing? What excuses? I'm only echoing the general consensus of NBA fans across the nation. Nearly every single person I have spoken to, hates the Spurs, in Cali, in Arizona, in Seattle, and many other places. I bitch about the Spurs even when the Suns win against them. Everyone outside of San Antonio, and perhaps Texas, hates the Spurs from what I hear, and they feel the same way I do. They get away with too much shit. The NBA lately has been horrible with the way they call games. Even Rasheed Wallace said the Suns got screwed when they played the second time, at least according to Grant Hill, and to be honest, I find him to be trustworthy.
There's no animosity in the DC area for the Spurs, nor anywhere else I have visited. Just the fans of the teams they beat.

Refs make bad calls/miss calls all the time, not just when your team is playing the Spurs.
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― Albert Einstein

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HurricaИe
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+877|5959|Washington DC
holy shit, it's a freakin' basketball team
Doctor Strangelove
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Quick question: Why is this in DST?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6409|'Murka

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Quick question: Why is this in DST?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
jason85
Banned
+58|5995|Mesa, AZ

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Quick question: Why is this in DST?
I felt it was best suited for being here. I have major issues with the Spurs, and I know someone is going to defend them. I wanted to have a discussion about that.
jason85
Banned
+58|5995|Mesa, AZ

FEOS wrote:

jason85 wrote:

And one more thing? What excuses? I'm only echoing the general consensus of NBA fans across the nation. Nearly every single person I have spoken to, hates the Spurs, in Cali, in Arizona, in Seattle, and many other places. I bitch about the Spurs even when the Suns win against them. Everyone outside of San Antonio, and perhaps Texas, hates the Spurs from what I hear, and they feel the same way I do. They get away with too much shit. The NBA lately has been horrible with the way they call games. Even Rasheed Wallace said the Suns got screwed when they played the second time, at least according to Grant Hill, and to be honest, I find him to be trustworthy.
There's no animosity in the DC area for the Spurs, nor anywhere else I have visited. Just the fans of the teams they beat.

Refs make bad calls/miss calls all the time, not just when your team is playing the Spurs.
Well, maybe not to the people you've spoken with, but those I've spoken with, feel quite differently. I'll admit, I don't like when the Suns lose. However, I know that it is a game. If they get beaten by skill, or lack thereof on the Suns part on given night, that's fine. I'll be upset, yes, only because I want the Suns to win. I won't sit around and trash talk about the other team. But with the Spurs, its nothing like that. The calls always end up going their way. It's not like they are any better, so I feel every right to piss and moan as long as I choose about the Spurs. And yes, I know refs make bad calls all the time, and it isn't just when they play the Spurs. There are bad calls in every game. But when the bad calls change the outcome of the can, or can potentially do that, it bothers me so much. San Antonio usually doesn't dominate teams, the scores are pretty close most of the time. They win their games based off of bad officiating. Case in point, the first two games the Suns played the Spurs in the first round. The second half of both games were horrible. I'll admit the Suns gave it up, but the refs certainly didn't help things. Ans when the games where one by a margin of less than 8 points, the only explanation I have is the refs. Parker gets the ball in the lane, no matter how little the contact was, or even if there wasn't at all, just like Ginobli, he hits the round, cries on the floor and gets the foul. That's just not right. Tim Duncan hit that 3-pointer. I'll admit it was a nice shot, especially for a big man to play from the perimeter. But the thing is, he traveled before he shot it. Too bad the refs were using their eyes to watch for contact as opposed to watching what Duncan was doing.

I'd stop arguing as much if they actually did something about this. The NBA is the only pro sport where the officiating is this bad and has the potential to give the game to the team that didn't deserve it. In the NFL, you get penalties, but they don't change the course of the game, most of the time. Baseball, same thing. You may have a tough umpire, but usually they are consistent in what call. If the NBA was consistent, I'd have no issues. I don't care if the game is slowed down, so long as the team that played better wins. I mean, isn't that sort of the point.

I'm just tired of watching my team play for 7 months of the year, and in April, May or June, three guys in grey shirts and black pants decide that the Suns don't need to advance into the next round. But what you need to realize is that I'm not just making a case for when the Suns play San Antonio. I'm making a case for when ANY team plays San Antonio.
Poseidon
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+3,253|6536|Long Island, New York

HurricaИe wrote:

holy shit, it's a freakin' basketball team
SgtSlutter
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+550|6636|Amsterdam, NY

Poseidon wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

holy shit, it's a freakin' basketball team
go Cav's

Last edited by SgtSlutter (2008-05-17 14:44:10)

i g
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SgtSlutter wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

holy shit, it's a freakin' basketball team
go Cav's
yes
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6643
Go Spurs win another title
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6630|949

blademaster wrote:

Go Spurs win another title
Not if they let the Lakers steal more games from them.

GO LAKERS!
specialistx2324
hahahahahhaa
+244|6687|arica harbour
i stopped watching the NBA playoffs a few years ago. its not the same as in the past when Michael Jordan was racking up 40+ points pergame
rawls2
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+89|6558

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

blademaster wrote:

Go Spurs win another title
Not if they let the Lakers steal more games from them.

GO LAKERS!
What a kick ass game!! It was so fun to see the Spurs completely fall apart at the end. Gasol is now my second favorite Laker.
God Save the Queen
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+628|6341|tropical regions of london
It feels really good to be a loyal Lakers fan.   Fuck the spurs.  what a great game.  Only the Lakers could bring so much drama. 


faggot ass tim duncan.
jason85
Banned
+58|5995|Mesa, AZ
Yea, that game was great. For the next two weeks or so, or however long it takes them to drop the Spurs, I will be a Lakers fan.
God Save the Queen
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+628|6341|tropical regions of london
Im hoping Lakers/celtics
jason85
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+58|5995|Mesa, AZ

God Save the Queen wrote:

Im hoping Lakers/celtics
I'd rather it be Lakers vs Pistons. I'm not a Pistons fan, but I really don't like Garnet, so the quicker the Clets are out the better. He is a really good player, but something about him just rubs me the wrong way.
jason85
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+58|5995|Mesa, AZ
Another great game. Even better than the last one. The most amazing part though, that game was called very fairly. Flops weren't called, but real fouls were. Almost any team can beat the Spurs when it is fair, but to crush them like the Lakers did...That was something special. The Spurs couldn't do shit.
jason85
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+58|5995|Mesa, AZ
I think I smell some irony. Imagine, a foul that wasn't called, and for once, it wasn't in favor of the Spurs. And they have the balls to sit there and complain about it, when the refs were pretty much keeping them in the game to begin with. Ah, the wonderful karma!!
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6322|New Haven, CT
Kobe should have had 15 free throws, not 0.

The Spurs still lost the game, and they aren't going to win three in a row. Its nice being a Red Wings/Laker fan right now.
astdanno
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Wait a second, I thought David Stern has it all arranged that the Spurs are supposed to win.  Rooting for the Lakers is useless because the  corrupt officials will now give the remaining games to the Spurs.   Isn't that right Jason?
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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The foul wasn't called because no smart ref is going to let the game be decided on free throws.  Don't blame the ref, blame Brent Barry for trying to draw a foul that will never be called.

Regardless, I thought that was a poorly officiated game.  Calls on both sides were pretty bad.

GO LAKERS!
jason85
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+58|5995|Mesa, AZ

astdanno wrote:

Wait a second, I thought David Stern has it all arranged that the Spurs are supposed to win.  Rooting for the Lakers is useless because the  corrupt officials will now give the remaining games to the Spurs.   Isn't that right Jason?
The Spurs have had their chances to win. Stern, in my opinion is doing all he can to make it so they win. The thing is, he really can't shoot the ball for them. They had about 30 chances to win that game last night, but failed every time. Even with all the chicken shit fouls they called on the Lakers and their lack of foul calls on the Spurs, they still couldn't win. Even after the refs decided not to reset the clock after Fisher shot the ball at the end and it hit the rim, which ought to have resulted in a fresh shot clock, not giving the Spurs a chance, they still couldn't win.

Stern isn't just going to hand them the game. They have to get the points themselves, just with his help. I mean LA had what....14 free throws or something, and San Antonio had about 26? They got so many attempts because the refs were calling tiny little insignificant fouls on LA. If that idiot Tim Duncan didn't look like a 4 year old girl that has to piss when he shoots free throws he just might have made the two free throws he missed and I might be bitching about a Spurs win.

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