Poll

How do you rank GTA IV, amonst the GTA series?

Easily the best GTA22%22% - 23
It's the best GTA, but it could be better31%31% - 33
Vice city was better6%6% - 7
San Andreas was better13%13% - 14
SA and Vice city were better4%4% - 5
As good as the previous GTA's1%1% - 2
Haven't decided yet18%18% - 19
Other0%0% - 1
Total: 104
Vilham
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Yeah you might want to check out what gamasutra is before you make opinions. EVERYONE in the gaming industry reads gamasutra...

Actually you might want to reread your first post, no you didnt, you based your claim of the meta scores...

Last edited by Vilham (2008-05-06 18:10:01)

Poseidon
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+3,253|6751|Long Island, New York

Vilham wrote:

Yeah you might want to check out what gamasutra is before you make opinions. EVERYONE in the gaming industry reads gamasutra...

Actually you might want to reread your first post, no you didnt, you based your claim of the meta scores...
Everyone in the gaming industry also reads IGN and GameInformer, but their reviews aren't valid? Only the places YOU like are valid is what I've determined you think.

Right.
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|6955|FUCK UBISOFT

Poseidon wrote:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/review.html?sid=6182739&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot - 95
http://pc.ign.com/articles/834/834614p1.html - 94
http://gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/87EE9 … 83D7CD.htm - 90
And PC Gamer also gave it a 98.
these are the people who gave halo 3 a perfect score.

The fate of the 360 rested on halo 3, do you think microsoft didn't throw money at reviewers?
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Poseidon
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+3,253|6751|Long Island, New York

Miggle wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/review.html?sid=6182739&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot - 95
http://pc.ign.com/articles/834/834614p1.html - 94
http://gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/87EE9 … 83D7CD.htm - 90
And PC Gamer also gave it a 98.
these are the people who gave halo 3 a perfect score.

The fate of the 360 rested on halo 3, do you think microsoft didn't throw money at reviewers?
What? GameInformer gave Halo 3 a 98 and IGN gave it a 95. 95 from IGN is good, but it's not "the best". Halo 3 is a good game, but incredibly overrated to what people think is a Godlike status. But that doesn't mean it's not a good game. I enjoyed the campaign thoroughly and it's not one of the most played games on XBL next to CoD4 for no reason.
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
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Poseidon wrote:

Miggle wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/review.html?sid=6182739&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot - 95
http://pc.ign.com/articles/834/834614p1.html - 94
http://gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/87EE9 … 83D7CD.htm - 90
And PC Gamer also gave it a 98.
these are the people who gave halo 3 a perfect score.

The fate of the 360 rested on halo 3, do you think microsoft didn't throw money at reviewers?
What? GameInformer gave Halo 3 a 98 and IGN gave it a 95. 95 from IGN is good, but it's not "the best". Halo 3 is a good game, but incredibly overrated to what people think is a Godlike status. But that doesn't mean it's not a good game. I enjoyed the campaign thoroughly and it's not one of the most played games on XBL next to CoD4 for no reason.
sure, but the reason is that the 360 selection sucks.

The PS3 selection sucks.

Console games are hugely overrated merely because the majority of "gamers" use consoles and if halo is the best 360 game, it must be the best game ever.
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Poseidon
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+3,253|6751|Long Island, New York

Miggle wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Miggle wrote:


these are the people who gave halo 3 a perfect score.

The fate of the 360 rested on halo 3, do you think microsoft didn't throw money at reviewers?
What? GameInformer gave Halo 3 a 98 and IGN gave it a 95. 95 from IGN is good, but it's not "the best". Halo 3 is a good game, but incredibly overrated to what people think is a Godlike status. But that doesn't mean it's not a good game. I enjoyed the campaign thoroughly and it's not one of the most played games on XBL next to CoD4 for no reason.
sure, but the reason is that the 360 selection sucks.

The PS3 selection sucks.

Console games are hugely overrated merely because the majority of "gamers" use consoles and if halo is the best 360 game, it must be the best game ever.
Saying console games are hugely overrated is an ignorant statement. Just because you don't like them that much doesn't make them overrated.
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|6955|FUCK UBISOFT

Poseidon wrote:

Miggle wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


What? GameInformer gave Halo 3 a 98 and IGN gave it a 95. 95 from IGN is good, but it's not "the best". Halo 3 is a good game, but incredibly overrated to what people think is a Godlike status. But that doesn't mean it's not a good game. I enjoyed the campaign thoroughly and it's not one of the most played games on XBL next to CoD4 for no reason.
sure, but the reason is that the 360 selection sucks.

The PS3 selection sucks.

Console games are hugely overrated merely because the majority of "gamers" use consoles and if halo is the best 360 game, it must be the best game ever.
Saying console games are hugely overrated is an ignorant statement. Just because you don't like them that much doesn't make them overrated.
They have nothing on the pc.

If those games were on the pc, they would fail miserably.

Everything in the majority of console games has been done on the PC better before.
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Vilham
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Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Yeah you might want to check out what gamasutra is before you make opinions. EVERYONE in the gaming industry reads gamasutra...

Actually you might want to reread your first post, no you didnt, you based your claim of the meta scores...
Everyone in the gaming industry also reads IGN and GameInformer, but their reviews aren't valid? Only the places YOU like are valid is what I've determined you think.

Right.
Seriously your such a moron sometimes... www.gamasutra.com DO YOUR RESEARCH! It doesnt do reviews!

Reviews are HEAVILY effected by publishers.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-05-06 20:58:18)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6751|Long Island, New York

Vilham wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Yeah you might want to check out what gamasutra is before you make opinions. EVERYONE in the gaming industry reads gamasutra...

Actually you might want to reread your first post, no you didnt, you based your claim of the meta scores...
Everyone in the gaming industry also reads IGN and GameInformer, but their reviews aren't valid? Only the places YOU like are valid is what I've determined you think.

Right.
Seriously your such a moron sometimes... www.gamasutra.com DO YOUR RESEARCH! It doesnt do reviews!

Reviews are HEAVILY effected by publishers.
And seriously you can't argue with insults. I've found the least intelligent people on these forums are the ones who can't argue without intelligence. You'd think someone who's registered on these forums as long as you would atleast SOME debating skill, but you obviously have none.

I wasn't talking about it doing reviews. You say you get your information off of gamasutra.com and claim THAT'S valid, but when I base some of my opinions off of reviews (although not my WHOLE opinion) and not just ONE review, a COLLABORATION of reviews, you claim mine aren't valid. It's not a one way street, kid.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
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Criticize the game, the review or the source, both of you should should know better than snapping at each other over this ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
theDude5B
Cool member
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Miggle wrote:

They have nothing on the pc.

If those games were on the pc, they would fail miserably.

Everything in the majority of console games has been done on the PC better before.
erm, I think you are going a bit overboard there Miggle. Cant be bothered putting down an argument against you right now, but you cant slat Console games as they have been the backbone of the gaming industry for many years now.
Vilham
Say wat!?
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Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


Everyone in the gaming industry also reads IGN and GameInformer, but their reviews aren't valid? Only the places YOU like are valid is what I've determined you think.

Right.
Seriously your such a moron sometimes... www.gamasutra.com DO YOUR RESEARCH! It doesnt do reviews!

Reviews are HEAVILY effected by publishers.
And seriously you can't argue with insults. I've found the least intelligent people on these forums are the ones who can't argue without intelligence. You'd think someone who's registered on these forums as long as you would atleast SOME debating skill, but you obviously have none.

I wasn't talking about it doing reviews. You say you get your information off of gamasutra.com and claim THAT'S valid, but when I base some of my opinions off of reviews (although not my WHOLE opinion) and not just ONE review, a COLLABORATION of reviews, you claim mine aren't valid. It's not a one way street, kid.
O yeah sorry I guess the fact that everything on the site comes from people in the industry... so yeah it must be a lie if it comes from someone who deals with this sort of thing every day! Again DO YOUR RESEARCH! And lol trying to claim I cant argue without insults, you started insulting me long before I called you a moron, which tbh is my right and is after all only my opnion.

...Did I say that? No. I didn't. Bioshock for the 360 got a 96 in total from metacritic on both PC and the 360. It had AMAZING graphics. Are you seriously going to make the incredibly daft statement that you've never seen an amazing game with amazing graphics? Try HL2, Crysis, CoD4, Gears of War...all of these games had/have next-gen graphics and all have metacritic scores of over 90.
That is what you said, you based your opinion on metacritic, end of arguement.
Vilham
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theDude5B wrote:

Miggle wrote:

They have nothing on the pc.

If those games were on the pc, they would fail miserably.

Everything in the majority of console games has been done on the PC better before.
erm, I think you are going a bit overboard there Miggle. Cant be bothered putting down an argument against you right now, but you cant slat Console games as they have been the backbone of the gaming industry for many years now.
Wow wow wow, some company's does not equate to the industry. Consoles have kept a few company's afloat, allowing them to produce mediocre games and yet still get good sales because its the best the console has, there are a few killer games each year on the console like GTA, Halo, MGS, SSB, Zelda, its not until last year where alot of PC games got released on console that they truly became a solid platform, before that they were just a bit of multiplayer splitscreen side entertainment with sports games keeping them afloat.

Dont get me wrong, they have massively boosted the game industry's growth over the past 10 years but the industry would still be there is they weren't. I would say console games were the miracle growth of the industry.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-05-07 07:02:59)

ghettoperson
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SEREMAKER wrote:

I think its better not the best

I lose the story of the background of Niko bc I get caught up with everyones elses shit ... I wish they involved more plot twists and criss crossing other plots with his

Dark ------- its very dark  (even with making it brighter, its still dark)

cops .......... are everywhere ....... crusing along on the big island I can pass 3 cop cars at 1 light .......... and theres one on foot every 5 feet

vehicles ----- they need some major tuning

fuckin hospitals bills ......... I've payed out like $30,000
Never been to a US hospital without insurance?
theDude5B
Cool member
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Vilham wrote:

Dont get me wrong, they have massively boosted the game industry's growth over the past 10 years but the industry would still be there is they weren't. I would say console games were the miracle growth of the industry.
Sorry man have to disagree with you here.

The reason I am saying that consoles are the backbone, is down to the fact that they are a hell of a lot cheaper to buy and easier to use than a PC. This has been the success of the console over the PC, and as a result the gaming industry has grown to where it is today.

Look back to the 80's when there were TV shows about computer games, i.e Games Master. These shows were all about consoles, even though some of the games were absolute tripe. If it were not for the Mega Drive, SNES (16-bit gaming) then I dont think software developers would have been able to continue producing games like they have been.

Sure during the 80's there were some big PC titles out, but again there was a lack of people who would of had a PC and been able to play these games.
Miggle
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theDude5B wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Dont get me wrong, they have massively boosted the game industry's growth over the past 10 years but the industry would still be there is they weren't. I would say console games were the miracle growth of the industry.
Sorry man have to disagree with you here.

The reason I am saying that consoles are the backbone, is down to the fact that they are a hell of a lot cheaper to buy and easier to use than a PC. This has been the success of the console over the PC, and as a result the gaming industry has grown to where it is today.

Look back to the 80's when there were TV shows about computer games, i.e Games Master. These shows were all about consoles, even though some of the games were absolute tripe. If it were not for the Mega Drive, SNES (16-bit gaming) then I dont think software developers would have been able to continue producing games like they have been.

Sure during the 80's there were some big PC titles out, but again there was a lack of people who would of had a PC and been able to play these games.
The problem is that most people listen to their friends and the media, which are constantly saying things about consoles. Few people know enough to understand that PCs are better. Up until about a month ago all my friends used to play their 360s religiously, I showed them TF2 and now half the school plays it.

When it comes to gaming people tend to follow the crowd, TV shows follow the people, and the consoles end up with a huge, uninformed audience.
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teek22
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I love my consoles and always have.
Some games just suit consoles and others are for PC's
FPS and RTS are ones that suit the PC wonderfully.
However sports game I find just feel so much more smoother playing on a console, as well as action/adventure games like devil may cry, GTA etc.
Vilham
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theDude5B wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Dont get me wrong, they have massively boosted the game industry's growth over the past 10 years but the industry would still be there is they weren't. I would say console games were the miracle growth of the industry.
Sorry man have to disagree with you here.

The reason I am saying that consoles are the backbone, is down to the fact that they are a hell of a lot cheaper to buy and easier to use than a PC. This has been the success of the console over the PC, and as a result the gaming industry has grown to where it is today.

Look back to the 80's when there were TV shows about computer games, i.e Games Master. These shows were all about consoles, even though some of the games were absolute tripe. If it were not for the Mega Drive, SNES (16-bit gaming) then I dont think software developers would have been able to continue producing games like they have been.

Sure during the 80's there were some big PC titles out, but again there was a lack of people who would of had a PC and been able to play these games.
The guys at microsoft would claim different: "Overall, I think the platform itself is incredibly healthy, and there's more developers on Windows than on any other platform, especially when you look across casual, subscription, MMO, Korea, China...there's an explosion there. There's a huge opportunity, and by far, it is the biggest platform on the planet for gaming."

I half agree with them, the platform does indeed lead in innovation by far its where most of the new ideas come from, they also have the ability to have games from every platform as their really is no limit to what control input they can use. I still accept that the console market is larger though, which is what has pumped money into some company's, however others don't need the consoles Eg. Blizzard, you think they care for consoles? They dont need the consoles to remain stupidly rich, relic entertainment, not one of their games has come out on console and they make BIG cash. There are hundreds of companys that dont need consoles, while others have just made shitty games but have stayed alive because of the console sales. Thats why I think its more a case of miracle growth than being the backbone.
Poseidon
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Vilham wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Seriously your such a moron sometimes... www.gamasutra.com DO YOUR RESEARCH! It doesnt do reviews!

Reviews are HEAVILY effected by publishers.
And seriously you can't argue with insults. I've found the least intelligent people on these forums are the ones who can't argue without intelligence. You'd think someone who's registered on these forums as long as you would atleast SOME debating skill, but you obviously have none.

I wasn't talking about it doing reviews. You say you get your information off of gamasutra.com and claim THAT'S valid, but when I base some of my opinions off of reviews (although not my WHOLE opinion) and not just ONE review, a COLLABORATION of reviews, you claim mine aren't valid. It's not a one way street, kid.
O yeah sorry I guess the fact that everything on the site comes from people in the industry... so yeah it must be a lie if it comes from someone who deals with this sort of thing every day! Again DO YOUR RESEARCH! And lol trying to claim I cant argue without insults, you started insulting me long before I called you a moron, which tbh is my right and is after all only my opnion.

...Did I say that? No. I didn't. Bioshock for the 360 got a 96 in total from metacritic on both PC and the 360. It had AMAZING graphics. Are you seriously going to make the incredibly daft statement that you've never seen an amazing game with amazing graphics? Try HL2, Crysis, CoD4, Gears of War...all of these games had/have next-gen graphics and all have metacritic scores of over 90.
That is what you said, you based your opinion on metacritic, end of arguement.
...

Everything on the site comes from people from the industry, but GI and IGN's reviews are completely invalid. Right. Do you believe 9/11 was a conspiracy too? You seem to be one who believes in conspiracy theories. And no, again, you're completely wrong. I said that they have metacritic scores over 90, yes...your point? That doesn't mean my OPINION is based off it. I still find the fact that you believe every review site to be completely wrong or "heavily influenced by publishers" from your little oh so Godly site to be BEYOND laughable at this point.

And right, because I supposedly called you a moron somewhere (which I didn't), it gives you the right to say it back...do you have kindergarten logic or something? He hit me, so I'm allowed to hit him back! After all, it's my RIGHT!



It's like talking to a wall.

Edit: Also, what's an opnion? Didn't know you could have one of those. Sounds like a type of onion.

I think the bottom line here is that you think your sites are valid, but mine aren't, simply because you don't agree with them. Yeah, way to go there, bub. Your argument that I base my opinion off of Metacritic is flat out WRONG as I've played and completed all the games you mentioned. It's not like I'm going to base an opinion on Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (which I've never played) because I saw it got a 99 from Metacritic...if that's what you've interpreted from my posts, you really need to go back and read my posts. You have the kind of "I'm right, you're wrong, end of discussion" elitist attitude that I've seen from quite a few members here. It's pretty funny.

My argument: Bioshock, Crysis and HL2 are all amazing games and I've played them all and that's my opinion, and Metacritic which is a collaboration of 20+ reviews agrees.

Your argument: You base your reviews off of metacritic.

Absolutely wrong, and you know it. Would you like to see my Xbox Live gamertag and Xfire profile and games played? All of those games are in there. Metacritic BACKS UP my opinions. You're grasping for air in this argument and your tank's just about empty.

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-05-07 12:26:46)

Vilham
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lol... the simple fact is that the first thing you bring up is the metascore, rather than some concrete reasons, which you have still failed to do, so until you do this "opinion" you claim to have has yet to show light.

You say I need to reread your posts, I suggest you do likewise at no point do you show any evidence for an opinion, you just talk about their metascore being good and them being awesome. If you want to make people think you dont base your opinion off of reviews you might want to put some reasons for the games being really good in your arguement rather than just citing a metascore and a claim that they are great.

Ill also point out that people from sites like IGN write on gamasutra about how publishers effect their reviews, do some research before claiming to know something.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-05-07 12:43:31)

Poseidon
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Poseidon wrote:

It's like talking to a wall.

Poseidon wrote:

You have the kind of "I'm right, you're wrong, end of discussion" elitist attitude that I've seen from quite a few members here.
Guess I was right, eh?
dan673
Member
+46|6196

Poseidon wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

It's like talking to a wall.

Poseidon wrote:

You have the kind of "I'm right, you're wrong, end of discussion" elitist attitude that I've seen from quite a few members here.
Guess I was right, eh?
damn Poseidon can debate like a true badass.

Anyway, to me, GTA IV is the best.

Last edited by dan673 (2008-05-07 13:36:39)

Vilham
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Poseidon wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

It's like talking to a wall.

Poseidon wrote:

You have the kind of "I'm right, you're wrong, end of discussion" elitist attitude that I've seen from quite a few members here.
Guess I was right, eh?
So lets see.. what have you proved so far...

You have an opinion apparently, but this opinion involves no statements of opinion.
You fail at searching to see what a site actually is.
You base whether a game is good on metacritic.

I think thats a few to name. You have zero debating skills. After 2 pages of arguing that you have an opinion on these games you have yet to actually post any evidence for such an opinion. You sir fail, on an epic scale. There is no "end of discussion" to end with you, your not having a discussion as your not debating unless slighted comments are debate...

And if you still manage to not post any reasoning behind your "opinion" you claim to have in your next post im gunna have to assume exactly what i have from the start, that you have no opinion of your own. Lets go back to the start and see if you can debate with your own opinion you claim to have...

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Indeed. Screw all you graphics whores, all your desire for graphics does is kill how fun a game can be. I have yet to see an amazing game with amazing graphics, eg SA is much more fun than IV.
...Uncharted? Bioshock? Um..
Please dont tell me you think bioshock had better gameplay than system shock or deus ex, because it doesnt. Uncharted is very good though, but only once through and therefore automatically gets knocked off the list.
This time lets try to see if you can reply as to why these games are amazing with some detail on your opinion rather than just a metacritic score and a claim its amazing.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-05-07 14:30:12)

SealXo
Member
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The ending blew cock, And i didnt get a huge scarface mansion

It suckes because you cant get jets
not enough cheats
not enough guns
need more clothes
more safehouses.

no houses to buy
wtf am i supposed to do with 800k now?
uhhhm
SamTheMan:D
Banned
+856|6188|England

SealXo wrote:

The ending blew cock, And i didnt get a huge scarface mansion

It suckes because you cant get jets
not enough cheats
not enough guns
need more clothes
more safehouses.

no houses to buy
wtf am i supposed to do with 800k now?
uhhhm
ya mum blew cock

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