BVC
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Terrorism my fucking arse, if this runs its course then mark my words this will become 1984 for real.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 03296.html

By Nita Farahany
Sunday, April 13, 2008; Page B03

Imagine a world of streets lined with video cameras that alert authorities to any suspicious activity. A world where police officers can read the minds of potential criminals and arrest them before they commit any crimes. A world in which a suspect who lies under questioning gets nabbed immediately because his brain has given him away.

Though that may sound a lot like the plot of the 2002 movie "Minority Report," starring Tom Cruise and based on a Philip K. Dick novel, I'm not talking about science fiction here; it turns out we're not so far away from that world. But does it sound like a very safe place, or a very scary one?

It's a question I think we should be asking as the federal government invests millions of dollars in emerging technology aimed at detecting and decoding brain activity. And though government funding focuses on military uses for these new gizmos, they can and do end up in the hands of civilian law enforcement and in commercial applications. As spending continues and neurotechnology advances, that imagined world is no longer the stuff of science fiction or futuristic movies, and we postpone at our peril confronting the ethical and legal dilemmas it poses for a society that values not just personal safety but civil liberty as well.

Consider Cernium Corp.'s "Perceptrak" video surveillance and monitoring system, recently installed by Johns Hopkins University, among others. This technology grew out of a project funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency -- the central research and development organization for the Department of Defense -- to develop intelligent video analytics systems. Unlike simple video cameras monitored by security guards, Perceptrak integrates video cameras with an intelligent computer video. It uses algorithms to analyze streaming video and detect suspicious activities, such as people loitering in a secure area, a group converging or someone leaving a package unattended. Since installing Perceptrak, Johns Hopkins has reported a 25 percent reduction in crime.

But that's only the beginning. Police may soon be able to monitor suspicious brain activity from a distance as well. New neurotechnology soon may be able to detect a person who is particularly nervous, in possession of guilty knowledge or, in the more distant future, to detect a person thinking, "Only one hour until the bomb explodes." Today, the science of detecting and decoding brain activity is in its infancy. But various government agencies are funding the development of technology to detect brain activity remotely and are hoping to eventually decode what someone is thinking. Scientists, however, wildly disagree about the accuracy of brain imaging technology, what brain activity may mean and especially whether brain activity can be detected from afar.

Yet as the experts argue about the scientific limitations of remote brain detection, this chilling science fiction may already be a reality. In 2002, the Electronic Privacy Information Center reported that NASA was developing brain monitoring devices for airports and was seeking to use noninvasive sensors in passenger gates to collect the electronic signals emitted by passengers' brains. Scientists scoffed at the reports, arguing that to do what NASA was proposing required that an electroencephalogram (EEG) be physically attached to the scalp.

But that same year, scientists at the University of Sussex in England adapted the same technology they had been using to detect heart rates at distances of up to 1 meter, or a little more than three feet, to remotely detect changes in the brain. And while scientific limitations to remote EEG detection still exist, clearly the question is when, not if, these issues will be resolved.

Meanwhile, another remote brain-activity detector, which uses light beamed through the skull to measure changes in oxygen levels in the brain, may be on the way. Together with the EEG, it would enhance the power of brain scanning. Today the technology consists of a headband sensor worn by the subject, a control box to capture the data and a computer to analyze it. With the help of government funding, however, that is all becoming increasingly compact and portable, paving the way for more specific remote detection of brain activity.

But don't panic: The government can't read our minds -- yet. So far, these tools simply measure changes in the brain; they don't detect thoughts and intentions.

Scientists, though, are hard at work trying to decode how those signals relate to mental states such as perception and intention. Different EEG frequencies, for example, have been associated with fear, anger, joy and sorrow and different cognitive states such as a person's level of alertness. So when you're stopped for speeding and terrified because you're carrying illegal drugs in the trunk of your car, EEG technology might enable the police to detect your fear or increased alertness. This is not so far-fetched: Some scientists already are able to tell from brain images in the lab whether a test subject was envisioning a tool such as a hammer or a screwdriver or a dwelling, and to predict whether the subject intended to add or subtract numbers. Just last month, scientists announced a new study aimed at decoding visual imagery in the brain.

Although brain-based lie-detection technology has been quite controversial and has only been tested on a limited basis, early researchers have claimed high accuracy at detecting deception. But there's a problem: Most brain-based lie-detection tests assume that lying should result in more brain activity than truth-telling because lying involves more cognition. So these lie-detection methods may fail in sociopaths or in individuals who believe in the falsehood they're telling.

Whether such technology will be effective outside the laboratory remains to be seen, but the very fact that the government is banking on its future potential raises myriad questions.

Imagine, for example, a police officer approaching a suspect based on Perceptrak's "unusual activity" detection. Equipped with remote neural-detection technology, the officer asks her a few questions, and the detection device deems her responses to be deceptive. Will this be enough evidence for an arrest? Can it be used to convict a person of intent to commit a crime? Significant scientific hurdles remain before neurotechnology can be used that way, but given how fast it's developing, I think we must pause now to ask how it may affect the fundamental precepts of our criminal justice system.

Americans have been willing to tolerate significant new security measures and greater encroachments on civil liberties after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Could reports of significant crime reduction such as that seen by Johns Hopkins, or incidents such as the student shootings last year at Virginia Tech or more recently at Northern Illinois University, be enough to justify the use of pre-crime technology? Could remote neural monitoring together with intelligent video analytics have prevented those tragedies? And if they could, should they be allowed to?

These are just some of the questions we must ask as we balance scientific advances and the promise of enhanced safety against a loss of liberty. And we must do it now, while our voices still matter. In a world where private thoughts are no longer private, what will our protections be?

[email protected]

Nita Farahany, an assistant professor of law and philosophy at Vanderbilt University, is the editor of the forthcoming "Genes and Justice: The Impact of Behavioral Genetics and Neuroscience on Criminal Law."
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7026|132 and Bush

Wow.. that's messed up. No way that would fly.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6424|The Mitten
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Big Brother Is Watching You.
EE (hats
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6963|Long Island, New York
Immediately the title brought to my mind two movies:

https://images.allposters.com/images/140/039_minority_report.jpg

and this badass motherfucker:

https://c.myspace.com/Groups/00015/81/24/15684218_l.jpg

edit: lol, ironic code fail

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-04-14 20:53:23)

Smithereener
Member
+138|6741|California
This is really... unsettling. It's not even the fact that this kind of technology is advancing, but rather the fact that our own government is willing to stoop to such means that's really making me even more wary and distrustful of the government.
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6386|Washington DC
If I think of BME Pain Olympics or McDonalds Porn, do the mind-readers see that on their computer screens?
GodFather
Blademaster's bottom bitch
+387|6645|Phoenix, AZ
I think that a lot of people in the seats making those decisions would be against that as because probably 70% of them are doing something illegal
David.P
Banned
+649|6699

Poseidon wrote:

https://c.myspace.com/Groups/00015/81/24/15684218_l.jpg
Funny you would be posting that.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6963|Long Island, New York

David.P wrote:

Funny you would be posting that.
Actually, it's funny you would even be responding to it, seeing as you'd like an entire religion wiped off the face of the earth.

I support free speech and everything V (hypothetically) stood for. Freedom.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina
Verily we must vanquish these very visual villains with the veracity of valor vying for victory against the violent vicissitudes of victimization.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6339|Glendale, CA
https://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/tchayc/BIGBROTHERISWATCHINGYOU.jpg
https://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/joemas71/Big%20Brother/bushwatchingpropaganda.jpg

Doubleplusungood.  Under Bush we opproach a fascist dictatorship.  Republicans seem similar to the Nazis in their need to take power and exploit the people's rights.

Last edited by FallenMorgan (2008-04-14 21:51:34)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6872|Chicago, IL
minority report anyone?

would never work, and "he was thinkin' about it" would never hold up in a court, I ponder crimes all the time.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6339|Glendale, CA

S.Lythberg wrote:

minority report anyone?

would never work, and "he was thinkin' about it" would never hold up in a court, I ponder crimes all the time.
Me too.

"He may have a clean record, he may have a small business and a family, but for sure, he was thinkin' 'bout it."
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6872|Chicago, IL

FallenMorgan wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

minority report anyone?

would never work, and "he was thinkin' about it" would never hold up in a court, I ponder crimes all the time.
Me too.

"He may have a clean record, he may have a small business and a family, but for sure, he was thinkin' 'bout it."
lol, when I see a car idling with nobody in it I always think....  what if....

and who hasn't had that thought while in the line at the bank...
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6578|what

S.Lythberg wrote:

and who hasn't had that thought while in the line at the bank...
Batman.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6872|Chicago, IL

TheAussieReaper wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

and who hasn't had that thought while in the line at the bank...
Batman.
Oh, he has
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7197|PNW

Knowing your mind is being tapped to some extent would be enough to make you nervous. So tell me how the government is going to sort through all the nervous thoughts to find anything important?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-15 00:01:09)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7197|PNW

FallenMorgan wrote:

Under Bush we opproach a fascist dictatorship.
If a fascist dictatorship is enough to teach you how to spell, I'll back it...

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-15 00:03:16)

JahManRed
wank
+646|7053|IRELAND

Politicians are power hungry controlling manipulative bastards. They have to be these days to survive. The 'intelligence' community is just their tool and a sign of how these ppl wish to dominate and control us.
Look at how personal liberates and the ability to rule ones self and ones family have been reduced and the responsibility passed to the government over the last 20 years.  In the UK kids are running amok with no supervision with the police doing the job of the parents.

Society is changing dramatically, but just slow enough so it doesn't slap the populous in the face so it goes relatively un noticed.
I can see a time in the not so distant future when are liberates are removed under the guise of protecting us from ourselves while  its the nanny state that's causing the break down in society in the first place.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

isn't it ironic how our fellow US board members are always telling us europeans that personal freedoms are held in such high regard in the US, and that it is the job of the government to ensure that those are not being infringed upon; and yet, they support research that is directly opposed to that idea ?

My thoughts are my most private possession. I would not want any government agency to be able to read them. It seems it's only a small step from a democracy to a police state after all...
PureFodder
Member
+225|6710
To be honest, alot of the ideas in the article are shall we say, unrealistic. The idea of detecting what someone is thinking using a brain scanner is stupid. Detecting increased fear or stress after being pulled over by the cops (who wouldn't have increased fear and stress?).

Remember that the US government spent millions of dollars researching psychic powers to read minds and to do remote viewing, how'd that work out?
doug1988
spank that azz.
+146|6283|Nibiru in a far away galaxy
Technology , Crooked Governments and Corporate America=New World Order , in the near future I can see World War III .

Last edited by doug1988 (2008-04-15 02:51:57)

djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6761|Oregon
I was going to respond like a big boy, but GOD FUCKING DAMNIT WILL PEOPLE GET OVER V FOR VENDETTA? EVER? HOLY SHIT. I LIKE THE MOVIE BUT HOLY SHIT.

Now to respond like a big boy...
Sigh... It's sad to me that some people actually see these as "advancements in safety." Paranoia grips those who are paralyzed by insecurity, and this "security" will just turn people to sheep. Those who are concerned over the lack of privacy are "rebels" or "terrorists" and "a danger." So do you want everyone to die, or would you rather just shut up and act normal?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6836|'Murka

PureFodder wrote:

Remember that the US government spent millions of dollars researching psychic powers to read minds and to do remote viewing, how'd that work out?
It didn't...as far as you know. MUHAHAHAHAHA
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
PureFodder
Member
+225|6710

FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Remember that the US government spent millions of dollars researching psychic powers to read minds and to do remote viewing, how'd that work out?
It didn't...as far as you know. MUHAHAHAHAHA
LOL!

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