Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6289|...
seriously you guys, why should I care, and I guess I speak for the majority of the Europeans here. We don't care.

I don't own a sword, why would I anyway? It has no use, costs alot of money and only looks cool on the wall. You'd look like a retard swinging it without any proper training / then again, why would you swing it around.

Not like it has an impact on our freedom.
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CameronPoe
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dayarath wrote:

seriously you guys, why should I care, and I guess I speak for the majority of the Europeans here. We don't care.

I don't own a sword, why would I anyway? It has no use, costs alot of money and only looks cool on the wall. You'd look like a retard swinging it without any proper training / then again, why would you swing it around.

Not like it has an impact on our freedom.
Exactly. What the fuck would you want with a sword anyway? It isn't exactly 1984 style clampdown on personal freedoms!!
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

Reciprocity wrote:

that's a nice discriminatory law you've got there.

If you're rich you can buy all the real collector swords you want, which are a far more dangerous weapon that some cheap $50 knock-off.

If you're poor, you're shit-outa-luck.

If you're gunna ban swords, ban all of them.
How many rich thugs and criminals do you know that do their own dirty work with swords and whatnot? Sounds like a decent situation to me although I'd also welcome a blanket ban (on swords that is, not blankets!).
Hunter/Jumper
Member
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how about if it " Looks " like a Samuri sword, but isn't realy and is not at all sharp ?
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6790|so randum
How is it a bad thing to ban them?

If your a collector, you can still have them.
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Hunter/Jumper
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Did they ban Claymores ? they bloody well ought'a ? discrimination !
Braddock
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FatherTed wrote:

How is it a bad thing to ban them?

If your a collector, you can still have them.
Because a lot of Americans think it should be everyone's right to possess all manner of lethal weapons and anything that inhibits this is an infringement on the rights of all law abiding, weapon collecting citizens. The idea that less weapons in circulation and an increase in the rules and regulations regarding the acquisition of weapons could only possibly help reduce the number of weapons related assaults is outweighed by the civil liberty of actually being allowed to possess a lethal weapon.

I honestly think it's just a weird, ingrained American thing...deadly weapons are a part of their culture whereas over here they are not.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-04-13 11:01:56)

Hunter/Jumper
Member
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Yep, a sword is bad news !
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6284|Truthistan

dayarath wrote:

seriously you guys, why should I care, and I guess I speak for the majority of the Europeans here. We don't care.

I don't own a sword, why would I anyway? It has no use, costs alot of money and only looks cool on the wall. You'd look like a retard swinging it without any proper training / then again, why would you swing it around.

Not like it has an impact on our freedom.
Here we go... "they are not like me, I'm not like them, so why would I care"
First its assault weapons, then pistols, then long guns, then swords, next will be knives, forks and spoons.
The human race is slowly being dumbed down to the domesticated level of cattle or sheep. Next we will all be dermal micro chipped and catalogued.

Famous last words of a domesticate
"BAhhh Bahhh tell me what to do next Bahh bahh bahhh"
"OMG is that the F'n slaughterhouse?!? Where's my sword?????? Oh POS SPORK... NOOOOO!!!!!!!"

BAHH BAHHH BAHHH. If that sounds good to you then you are right "why care."
Yah why care, when its your turn I won't.
Hunter/Jumper
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Lol look at the adds across the bottom of the page...
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

Diesel_dyk wrote:

dayarath wrote:

seriously you guys, why should I care, and I guess I speak for the majority of the Europeans here. We don't care.

I don't own a sword, why would I anyway? It has no use, costs alot of money and only looks cool on the wall. You'd look like a retard swinging it without any proper training / then again, why would you swing it around.

Not like it has an impact on our freedom.
Here we go... "they are not like me, I'm not like them, so why would I care"
First its assault weapons, then pistols, then long guns, then swords, next will be knives, forks and spoons.
The human race is slowly being dumbed down to the domesticated level of cattle or sheep. Next we will all be dermal micro chipped and catalogued.

Famous last words of a domesticate
"BAhhh Bahhh tell me what to do next Bahh bahh bahhh"
"OMG is that the F'n slaughterhouse?!? Where's my sword?????? Oh POS SPORK... NOOOOO!!!!!!!"

BAHH BAHHH BAHHH. If that sounds good to you then you are right "why care."
Yah why care, when its your turn I won't.
What language are you speaking?

From what I could just about make out from your post is a claim that if we limit the availability of weapons in our society it makes us sheep? Not sure if I can understand your logic here. We don't have the kind of society here where everyone has a little arsenal at home in the cupboard and any law that inhibits the acquisition of weapons will ONLY decrease the number of weapons related crimes, it will NOT increase the number. That for me is a good enough reason...I don't want to live in a society where everyone has an Uzi, two or three hand guns and a couple of swords at home in the cupboard thanks very much.

I have no desire to start a gun or sword collection so my 'rights' aren't being infringed and I'm happy in the knowledge that someone else will have a bit more difficulty if they want to go out and start a weapons collection.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6284|Truthistan

Braddock wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

dayarath wrote:

seriously you guys, why should I care, and I guess I speak for the majority of the Europeans here. We don't care.

I don't own a sword, why would I anyway? It has no use, costs alot of money and only looks cool on the wall. You'd look like a retard swinging it without any proper training / then again, why would you swing it around.

Not like it has an impact on our freedom.
Here we go... "they are not like me, I'm not like them, so why would I care"
First its assault weapons, then pistols, then long guns, then swords, next will be knives, forks and spoons.
The human race is slowly being dumbed down to the domesticated level of cattle or sheep. Next we will all be dermal micro chipped and catalogued.

Famous last words of a domesticate
"BAhhh Bahhh tell me what to do next Bahh bahh bahhh"
"OMG is that the F'n slaughterhouse?!? Where's my sword?????? Oh POS SPORK... NOOOOO!!!!!!!"

BAHH BAHHH BAHHH. If that sounds good to you then you are right "why care."
Yah why care, when its your turn I won't.
What language are you speaking?

From what I could just about make out from your post is a claim that if we limit the availability of weapons in our society it makes us sheep? Not sure if I can understand your logic here. We don't have the kind of society here where everyone has a little arsenal at home in the cupboard and any law that inhibits the acquisition of weapons will ONLY decrease the number of weapons related crimes, it will NOT increase the number. That for me is a good enough reason...I don't want to live in a society where everyone has an Uzi, two or three hand guns and a couple of swords at home in the cupboard thanks very much.

I have no desire to start a gun or sword collection so my 'rights' aren't being infringed and I'm happy in the knowledge that someone else will have a bit more difficulty if they want to go out and start a weapons collection.
And when they line you up to micro chip you or you won't get to ride the "tube" I won't care... because you mindlessly obey every edict that comes along that is couched in the language of public safety. Not every idea couched in the language of public safety is a good idea.

I guess when they want you micro chipped you will say HEY I'm not a terrorist so its doesn't impact me right?????

When you say it will not increase the number of crimes, I don't think you included the crimes of the state against you in your scenerio. I cringe when I see statemetns like "they are not like me, or I don't agree with them or what they do, so therefore governemnt you can do what you want because it doesn't impact me"  because those are the statement of a public mindset that brings great things like the holocaust.... And if I am not mistaken that occurred in Europe? Correct? So I think I will dismiss that we will all be safer becuase of it argument. Bahhh bahh bahh
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cam, the object is to reduce crime not the manner of which it is committed. To reduce the gun related murder on the street only to increase the number of knife related murders, isn't accomplishing a whole hell of a lot now is it? People WILL commit their crimes with whatever is available.

Yeah your European ethos, sure as hell helped Hitler take over your continent didn't it? Good thinking
That's right lowing, when somebody brings in something inconvenient to your arguments, divert attention by bringing up a totally unrelated subject. Nice debating. lol

lowing wrote:

1. It doesn't make it harder for criminals to get weapon, only law abiding citizens.
Blatantly incorrect. It makes it harder for everybody. Duh. Your statement taken at face value is just plain incorrect. Pure and simple.
1. Cam I find nothing inconvenient about your argument in fact other than saying we should not be allowed to own this or that, you haven't MADE an argument.  You want the govt. to take away all of our guns, just like Hitler did? Just exactly how is not that relevant, considering what followed the removal of the armed citizen? If anything is inconvenient it is trying to deny that.

2. Just like drugs huh Cam, Drug addicts just can't seem to find a fix nowa days can they. Your conclusions are wrong and parallel examples pretty much shows it.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

dayarath wrote:

seriously you guys, why should I care, and I guess I speak for the majority of the Europeans here. We don't care.

I don't own a sword, why would I anyway? It has no use, costs alot of money and only looks cool on the wall. You'd look like a retard swinging it without any proper training / then again, why would you swing it around.

Not like it has an impact on our freedom.
Exactly. What the fuck would you want with a sword anyway? It isn't exactly 1984 style clampdown on personal freedoms!!
Yet another sickening liberal conclusion.... It is the collective, not the individual to decide what interests and hobbies individuals should be allowed.

Liberals do not like it, so no one should. Nice attitude comrade.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Braddock wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

How is it a bad thing to ban them?

If your a collector, you can still have them.
Because a lot of Americans think it should be everyone's right to possess all manner of lethal weapons and anything that inhibits this is an infringement on the rights of all law abiding, weapon collecting citizens. The idea that less weapons in circulation and an increase in the rules and regulations regarding the acquisition of weapons could only possibly help reduce the number of weapons related assaults is outweighed by the civil liberty of actually being allowed to possess a lethal weapon.

I honestly think it's just a weird, ingrained American thing...deadly weapons are a part of their culture whereas over here they are not.
Less weapons in circulation among law abiding citizens has nothing to do with weapon circulation among criminals.

How is that war on illegal drugs going by the way? We winning that any time soon?
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6975|United States of America

Braddock wrote:

From what I could just about make out from your post is a claim that if we limit the availability of weapons in our society it makes us sheep? Not sure if I can understand your logic here. We don't have the kind of society here where everyone has a little arsenal at home in the cupboard and any law that inhibits the acquisition of weapons will ONLY decrease the number of weapons related crimes, it will NOT increase the number. That for me is a good enough reason...I don't want to live in a society where everyone has an Uzi, two or three hand guns and a couple of swords at home in the cupboard thanks very much.

I have no desire to start a gun or sword collection so my 'rights' aren't being infringed and I'm happy in the knowledge that someone else will have a bit more difficulty if they want to go out and start a weapons collection.
You seem to be doing that thing though where if anyone wants to own anything capable of causing harm, that said person wishes to uses it. I'd be upset because although I am deeply interested in all sorts of history, I am not a collector because I don't devote my life to one area. People like myself are the ones who are getting shafted.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

DesertFox- wrote:

Braddock wrote:

From what I could just about make out from your post is a claim that if we limit the availability of weapons in our society it makes us sheep? Not sure if I can understand your logic here. We don't have the kind of society here where everyone has a little arsenal at home in the cupboard and any law that inhibits the acquisition of weapons will ONLY decrease the number of weapons related crimes, it will NOT increase the number. That for me is a good enough reason...I don't want to live in a society where everyone has an Uzi, two or three hand guns and a couple of swords at home in the cupboard thanks very much.

I have no desire to start a gun or sword collection so my 'rights' aren't being infringed and I'm happy in the knowledge that someone else will have a bit more difficulty if they want to go out and start a weapons collection.
You seem to be doing that thing though where if anyone wants to own anything capable of causing harm, that said person wishes to uses it. I'd be upset because although I am deeply interested in all sorts of history, I am not a collector because I don't devote my life to one area. People like myself are the ones who are getting shafted.
I don't follow you...if you want to get one for collector's purposes there are apparently exceptions in the laws that can allow this, where's the problem?
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

Braddock wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

Braddock wrote:

From what I could just about make out from your post is a claim that if we limit the availability of weapons in our society it makes us sheep? Not sure if I can understand your logic here. We don't have the kind of society here where everyone has a little arsenal at home in the cupboard and any law that inhibits the acquisition of weapons will ONLY decrease the number of weapons related crimes, it will NOT increase the number. That for me is a good enough reason...I don't want to live in a society where everyone has an Uzi, two or three hand guns and a couple of swords at home in the cupboard thanks very much.

I have no desire to start a gun or sword collection so my 'rights' aren't being infringed and I'm happy in the knowledge that someone else will have a bit more difficulty if they want to go out and start a weapons collection.
You seem to be doing that thing though where if anyone wants to own anything capable of causing harm, that said person wishes to uses it. I'd be upset because although I am deeply interested in all sorts of history, I am not a collector because I don't devote my life to one area. People like myself are the ones who are getting shafted.
I don't follow you...if you want to get one for collector's purposes there are apparently exceptions in the laws that can allow this, where's the problem?
Also I find it funny that Americans on here can apply one mentality to Iran and their desire to have nuclear energy i.e. presuming they are going to use it for violent means, and an opposite mentality to members of the public wanting to acquire weapons...only difference is swords and guns can't be used to take care of cities power needs.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-04-13 11:43:37)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6735|The Land of Scott Walker
Take away all the weapons and people will be beaten to death ... what then?
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

Stingray24 wrote:

Take away all the weapons and people will be beaten to death ... what then?
Then the police, who will still have weapons, will have a much easier job.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

Braddock wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Take away all the weapons and people will be beaten to death ... what then?
Then the police, who will still have weapons, will have a much easier job.
Also, I prefer a fair fight with no weapons. Is it fair that I might spend hours lifting weights and learning to fight when some little scumbag can just shoot me in a fight? No weapons is better.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6289|...

Diesel_dyk wrote:

dayarath wrote:

seriously you guys, why should I care, and I guess I speak for the majority of the Europeans here. We don't care.

I don't own a sword, why would I anyway? It has no use, costs alot of money and only looks cool on the wall. You'd look like a retard swinging it without any proper training / then again, why would you swing it around.

Not like it has an impact on our freedom.
Here we go... "they are not like me, I'm not like them, so why would I care"
First its assault weapons, then pistols, then long guns, then swords, next will be knives, forks and spoons.
The human race is slowly being dumbed down to the domesticated level of cattle or sheep. Next we will all be dermal micro chipped and catalogued.

Famous last words of a domesticate
"BAhhh Bahhh tell me what to do next Bahh bahh bahhh"
"OMG is that the F'n slaughterhouse?!? Where's my sword?????? Oh POS SPORK... NOOOOO!!!!!!!"

BAHH BAHHH BAHHH. If that sounds good to you then you are right "why care."
Yah why care, when its your turn I won't.
As far as I can remember guns have been banned from having it as a personal possession long ago around here. Swords don't matter much, not alot of people have them and now that having them is a crime it will be harder for people with bad intent to obtain them, that's not a bad thing is it?

I actually don't mind the microchip idea, if you have done nothing bad you have nothing to be afraid of. Actually I support it. You won't be less free with one, if you haven't done anything which will result into feds tracking you, your life will just go on as usual, but with a chip in your body for when you get the crazy idea to make other people's lives miserable.
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Hunter/Jumper
Member
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Braddock wrote:

I'm happy in the knowledge that someone else will have a bit more difficulty if they want to go out and start a weapons collection.
I must confess I never understood the Hoplophobes  fear of the collection ! . Wouldn't being very well versed in the employment of One well maintained instrument * be more plausible and effective, then lugging about several ?

* Lets face it Its Samurai swords now so I thought I leave it open ended.

Air Soft anyone ?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6941|USA

Braddock wrote:

Braddock wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:


You seem to be doing that thing though where if anyone wants to own anything capable of causing harm, that said person wishes to uses it. I'd be upset because although I am deeply interested in all sorts of history, I am not a collector because I don't devote my life to one area. People like myself are the ones who are getting shafted.
I don't follow you...if you want to get one for collector's purposes there are apparently exceptions in the laws that can allow this, where's the problem?
Also I find it funny that Americans on here can apply one mentality to Iran and their desire to have nuclear energy i.e. presuming they are going to use it for violent means, and an opposite mentality to members of the public wanting to acquire weapons...only difference is swords and guns can't be used to take care of cities power needs.
I do not want Ahmadinejad to have a sword any more than I want a criminal to have one... I am consistent on this issue.


How 'bout you.

I stand a better chance of getting killed by an Islamic terror attack than I am a Samuri Sword, yet you want to blanket punish everyone that might want to add to their collection, and yet you refuse to "PROFILE" to track a terrorists, for fear of hurting someones feelings
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6580|Éire

dayarath wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

dayarath wrote:

seriously you guys, why should I care, and I guess I speak for the majority of the Europeans here. We don't care.

I don't own a sword, why would I anyway? It has no use, costs alot of money and only looks cool on the wall. You'd look like a retard swinging it without any proper training / then again, why would you swing it around.

Not like it has an impact on our freedom.
Here we go... "they are not like me, I'm not like them, so why would I care"
First its assault weapons, then pistols, then long guns, then swords, next will be knives, forks and spoons.
The human race is slowly being dumbed down to the domesticated level of cattle or sheep. Next we will all be dermal micro chipped and catalogued.

Famous last words of a domesticate
"BAhhh Bahhh tell me what to do next Bahh bahh bahhh"
"OMG is that the F'n slaughterhouse?!? Where's my sword?????? Oh POS SPORK... NOOOOO!!!!!!!"

BAHH BAHHH BAHHH. If that sounds good to you then you are right "why care."
Yah why care, when its your turn I won't.
As far as I can remember guns have been banned from having it as a personal possession long ago around here. Swords don't matter much, not alot of people have them and now that having them is a crime it will be harder for people with bad intent to obtain them, that's not a bad thing is it?

I actually don't mind the microchip idea, if you have done nothing bad you have nothing to be afraid of. Actually I support it. You won't be less free with one, if you haven't done anything which will result into feds tracking you, your life will just go on as usual, but with a chip in your body for when you get the crazy idea to make other people's lives miserable.
I agree with the first paragraph of your post but not the second. Power corrupts, have you not seen Minority Report!!!?

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