Poll

If a branch of the American military had to be removed.

Army30%30% - 9
Navy13%13% - 4
Air Force46%46% - 14
i'm one of "those people" who abhors the military.10%10% - 3
Total: 30
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+794|6655|United States of America

CameronPoe wrote:

The commander-in-chief.
One principle exhibited within the constiution is civilian control of the military, you're not answering the question at hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!
CameronPoe
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HurricaИe wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The commander-in-chief.
Our Dear Leader, Commandant and First Child of Our Gracious Lord George Bush is not a branch of the military!
Navy then - what good is a navy if you need to attack Siberia?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-09 16:18:29)

SgtSlutter
Banned
+550|6608|Amsterdam, NY

HurricaИe wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The commander-in-chief.
Our Dear Leader, Commandant and First Child of Our Gracious Lord George Bush is not a branch of the military!
Is spengebab?
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|5931|Washington DC

CameronPoe wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The commander-in-chief.
Our Dear Leader, Commandant and First Child of Our Gracious Lord George Bush is not a branch of the military!
Navy then - what's good is a navy if you need to attack Siberia?
Destroyers, subs, aircraft carriers, cruisers

They all carry nasty Tomahawk missiles and related, and they aren't bound to an airfield like aircraft. Ohio-class subs also have Trident missiles, which are essentially a rape nuke.

@Slutter, ja

Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-04-09 16:19:21)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

R0lyP0ly wrote:

Excellent. It begins, indeed.

@jord -- the Marines are not a branch of the US Military.
not a separate branch, but they are still apart of the military.  Dept of the Navy
Actually, they are a separate branch, but they fall under the Secretary of the Navy. There are two distinct chains of command: the Staff (under the Commandant) and the Secretariat (under the SecNav).

And if I were king for a day, we would have one giant Marine Corps...Air, Land, and Sea forces all trained, equipped, and organized together from the word go. Then we would get away from petty Service parochialism that ultimately detracts from warfighting capability.

Last edited by FEOS (2008-04-09 17:07:17)

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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6614
no argument there.  Go Army.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6470|so randum

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

no argument there.  Go Army.
no u
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6591|London, England
Marines think they're everything, with their Hollywood and Video Games and Controversial YouTube videos and 12 year old kids who only like them because they're Hyped up so much by said Mediums that I mentioned before
R0lyP0ly
Member
+161|6624|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

The commander-in-chief.
You were the inspiration for the "those people" option.
Major.League.Infidel
Make Love and War
+303|6448|Communist Republic of CA, USA

FatherTed wrote:

Whatever one Gunslinger works in.

He's a douche.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

not a separate branch, but they are still apart of the military.  Dept of the Navy
The Men's Department.

In all srsness though, Air Force.  Way overbudgeted, and as it stands they have very little planned for the future.  They only have 3 new aircraft in the works, 2 of which aren't Combat.  They spend way too much on stuff we don't need.  You could disband them, and give all their shit to the Army/Marines, who could use it a helluva lot better.  No I didn't just compliment the Army.  You're seeing things.

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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Whatever one Gunslinger works in.

He's a douche.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

not a separate branch, but they are still apart of the military.  Dept of the Navy
The Men's Department.

In all srsness though, Air Force.  Way overbudgeted, and as it stands they have very little planned for the future.  They only have 3 new aircraft in the works, 2 of which aren't Combat.  They spend way too much on stuff we don't need.  You could disband them, and give all their shit to the Army/Marines, who could use it a helluva lot better.  No I didn't just compliment the Army.  You're seeing things.

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F-22
F-35 (executive agent for DoD and foreign sales...gobs of $$$)
KC-45
Long range bomber replacement
CSAR-X
DoD executive agent for space (where most of the $$ goes)

Keeping old-assed planes flying is obscenely expensive. What's the average age of the M-1s in the field?

Is there waste? Of course. As there is in the Army, Navy, and USMC. Complain about the AF's budget the next time CAS saves your ass or on-call interdiction takes out that fighting position that you can't get to. Or think about why no US military member has been killed by enemy airpower since early in the Korean War.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Major.League.Infidel
Make Love and War
+303|6448|Communist Republic of CA, USA

FEOS wrote:

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Whatever one Gunslinger works in.

He's a douche.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

not a separate branch, but they are still apart of the military.  Dept of the Navy
The Men's Department.

In all srsness though, Air Force.  Way overbudgeted, and as it stands they have very little planned for the future.  They only have 3 new aircraft in the works, 2 of which aren't Combat.  They spend way too much on stuff we don't need.  You could disband them, and give all their shit to the Army/Marines, who could use it a helluva lot better.  No I didn't just compliment the Army.  You're seeing things.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/image … osters.jpg
F-22
F-35 (executive agent for DoD and foreign sales...gobs of $$$)
KC-45
Long range bomber replacement
CSAR-X
DoD executive agent for space (where most of the $$ goes)

Keeping old-assed planes flying is obscenely expensive. What's the average age of the M-1s in the field?

Is there waste? Of course. As there is in the Army, Navy, and USMC. Complain about the AF's budget the next time CAS saves your ass or on-call interdiction takes out that fighting position that you can't get to. Or think about why no US military member has been killed by enemy airpower since early in the Korean War.
Disband the Air Force
Tushers
Noctwisaskfirtush
+224|6655|Some where huntin in Wisconsin
kinda need them all
GorillaTicTacs
Member
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They should divvy up the Air Force between NASA (SAC functions), the Army (CAS functions), and the Navy (ship/shore functions).  Their DIA contribution should just be secretly executed, and that evangelical university that passes as the AF Academy should be burned to the ground.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6375|North Carolina
Instead of discussing whether or not a branch should go, why not aim for streamlining the bureaucracy of ALL branches?  It's not that any one branch is worth less, it's just that every branch is bloated with red tape.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-04-09 21:58:23)

GorillaTicTacs
Member
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Turquoise wrote:

Instead of discussing whether or not a branch should go, why not aim for streamlining the bureaucracy of ALL branches?  It's not that any one branch is worth less, it's just that every branch is bloated with red tape.
And we can start with the absolutely worst offenders by a huge margin...bye zoomies.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6375|North Carolina
Are you referring to our ridiculously expensive new aircraft or is that slang for something else?
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6100|North Tonawanda, NY

Turquoise wrote:

Are you referring to our ridiculously expensive new aircraft or is that slang for something else?
I think that 'zoomies' is a nickname for the air force.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6742|PNW

I can't foresee the collapse of any of our branches anytime soon.

HurricaИe wrote:

Where are the Marines and Coast Guard?

Coast Guard would be my choice. They're fine men and women, but they could just get jobs in the Navy and we could have the Navy defend our coasts. Would YOU try to traffic drugs into a harbor guarded by a destroyer?
Who wants to pay for sending destroyers on routine drug patrols?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-10 00:12:52)

DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6651|Disaster Free Zone
The navy has, boats, planes and ground troops... what else do you need?

Get rid of the other two, then change the name of the navy to 'army' and you're all set.
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6350|MN

SenorToenails wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Are you referring to our ridiculously expensive new aircraft or is that slang for something else?
I think that 'zoomies' is a nickname for the air force.
Zoomies in Navy terms meant Radiation.  At least that was what we called it.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

SenorToenails wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Are you referring to our ridiculously expensive new aircraft or is that slang for something else?
I think that 'zoomies' is a nickname for the air force.
Zoomies is actually a nickname for AF Academy grads.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

DrunkFace wrote:

The navy has, boats, planes and ground troops... what else do you need?

Get rid of the other two, then change the name of the navy to 'army' and you're all set.
Try landing a plane with enough range and payload to strike the interior of a country from on an aircraft carrier. Then you'll see what else you need.

Your model has already been applied...in the PRC.

Changing the name isn't the issue here...the issue is people are arguing for the removal of the service. With that goes your planes, tactics, many of the weapons, etc.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6100|North Tonawanda, NY

FEOS wrote:

Zoomies is actually a nickname for AF Academy grads.
I knew it had something to do with AF guys.  Thanks.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

They should divvy up the Air Force between NASA (SAC functions), the Army (CAS functions), and the Navy (ship/shore functions).  Their DIA contribution should just be secretly executed, and that evangelical university that passes as the AF Academy should be burned to the ground.
What are "SAC functions"? Arguing that the A-10 should go to the Army is quite different than arguing that the Service as a whole should be disbanded.

As I said before, try launching (and recovering) something with the legs and payload to hit something strategic in nature from a ship.

I'm sure there are no issues with evangelicals in any other branches or their academies. Of course you overlook the fact that people got fired and reforms put in place to fix that nonsense.

Clearly you have a beef with the AF...care to share your feelings?
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