Yeah, thingo. I agree that martyrdom is and unrealistic perk that should not be available. But if people want to use it, fine. Their loss that they rather waste a perk on dropping a nade that I will avoid, than use a perk that makes it easier for them to kill me. But I dont complain, cause when someone use these perks, they only makes it easier for me.
Well...DefCon-17 wrote:
I swear the only thing that happens in this fucking forum is whining, bitching, and moaning.
Not pointing any fingers though..
... when the actual exploration of the game wears off in a couple afternoons worth of play...
... and you can rank up top max after 50 hours (or one all nighter in Shipment FFA)...
... and when you realize most of the perks are gimmicks...
... and when you get tired of seeking out bling-bling, but otherwise useless weapon skins...
... what else is left to do?
The game lacks depth and long-term play value. In this forum, you aren't going to see the in-depth analyses of character development, rank progression, strategy, etc...
DefCon is right, all this place consists of is bitching. But that's not the games fault.GeoEnvi wrote:
The game lacks depth and long-term play value. In this forum, you aren't going to see the in-depth analyses of character development, rank progression, strategy, etc...
I wonder why, after every single time they get killed by it, they have to post another thread about the same retired topic over, and over and fucking over again. If I had a penny for every time someone came on here and bitched about what killed them 5 minutes previous, I could fix the US economy.
Get the hell in here DST, now. I've laid the bait and there needs to be some mildly intelligent (mildly...) discussion to raise the average worth.
Gee, I don't know.GeoEnvi wrote:
Well...DefCon-17 wrote:
I swear the only thing that happens in this fucking forum is whining, bitching, and moaning.
Not pointing any fingers though..
... when the actual exploration of the game wears off in a couple afternoons worth of play...
... and you can rank up top max after 50 hours (or one all nighter in Shipment FFA)...
... and when you realize most of the perks are gimmicks...
... and when you get tired of seeking out bling-bling, but otherwise useless weapon skins...
... what else is left to do?
The game lacks depth and long-term play value. In this forum, you aren't going to see the in-depth analyses of character development, rank progression, strategy, etc...
Maybe play the game?
After a point there is no progression, no motivation. For some, they enjoy it enough to keep going and I envy them. For most however, there needs to be a motivation. There isn't even a round to round motivation (gold-bronze stars in bf2) to give you something to "fight" for every game.DefCon-17 wrote:
Gee, I don't know.
Maybe play the game?
Eventually it's "now I'm shooting someone. Now I'm getting shot by a helicopter. Now we're taking the HQ. I did this shit yesterday" and so on.
The game's still fun with friends, but friends aren't always on.
Then how do you explain CS? It´s "pop up, buy gun, run forward, fire, die" everytime. Straight. And still millions play it.Defiance wrote:
After a point there is no progression, no motivation. For some, they enjoy it enough to keep going and I envy them. For most however, there needs to be a motivation. There isn't even a round to round motivation (gold-bronze stars in bf2) to give you something to "fight" for every game.DefCon-17 wrote:
Gee, I don't know.
Maybe play the game?
Eventually it's "now I'm shooting someone. Now I'm getting shot by a helicopter. Now we're taking the HQ. I did this shit yesterday" and so on.
The game's still fun with friends, but friends aren't always on.
The thing is, Cod is fine the way it is. But they want more ranking, more shiny things, more ongoing content. Well, if so, play Hellgate London. You can pay a monthly fee and get new shiny things every few weeks.
Shooters played themselves great even without any fancy unlockables, but now everyone plays not for the fun of it or to best others around the world, round for round, but to whore up the most points to get that new gun.
Use the stats and unlocks to let the game show you every aspect of it, everything you can do and when you seen it all, you play with that knowledge to best others. You know, Karate Kid style.
You guys played Cod2 and probably many other shooters in the past for a long time without getting a golden AK skin and you where contented with it.
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I guess playing for fun is a dying 'artform'.
statsrlyfe
statsrlyfe
I fear you are rite.DefCon-17 wrote:
I guess playing for fun is a dying 'artform'.
statsrlyfe
Don´t get me wrong though. I love stats as everyone else does. And I played Bf for them aswell, but after becoming Brigadier General I switched to helping my team to win the round. Hence my poor K/D of 1.88. Many a time it´s more useful for your team to sacrifice yourself, so that your buddy with the pilum may take a shot at the walkers back, whil you play the bait for example. Seems that kind of play only happens in clans nowadays.
Drones are drones.Sisco10 wrote:
Then how do you explain CS? It´s "pop up, buy gun, run forward, fire, die" everytime. Straight. And still millions play it.
Possibly, but we KNOW it doesn't happen in COD4.Sisco10 wrote:
Seems that kind of play only happens in clans nowadays.
Well I'll admit I care somewhat about stats, but I'll still play a game without stats.Sisco10 wrote:
I fear you are rite.DefCon-17 wrote:
I guess playing for fun is a dying 'artform'.
statsrlyfe
Don´t get me wrong though. I love stats as everyone else does. And I played Bf for them aswell, but after becoming Brigadier General I switched to helping my team to win the round. Hence my poor K/D of 1.88. Many a time it´s more useful for your team to sacrifice yourself, so that your buddy with the pilum may take a shot at the walkers back, whil you play the bait for example. Seems that kind of play only happens in clans nowadays.
In the long run though, I couldn't care less about stats.
I don't think stats will help me get a job.
Well, what do you expect? It´s a shooter, damnit. Of course you won´t find much tactics or teamplay or long term motivation. At least on puplic servers.GeoEnvi wrote:
Drones are drones.Sisco10 wrote:
Then how do you explain CS? It´s "pop up, buy gun, run forward, fire, die" everytime. Straight. And still millions play it.Possibly, but we KNOW it doesn't happen in COD4.Sisco10 wrote:
Seems that kind of play only happens in clans nowadays.
Neither did one in Bf2. Everyone just talks about the long term motivation because you need an abnormous amount of points to get the high ranks. But you don´t do something different there, you just do it for longer because you need that next rank.
If they did the same for Cod or 2142 at least half of the people wouldn´t complain.
If you want deepness (does that word exist?) go buy wow or join the army!
Neither does palying without themDefCon-17 wrote:
Well I'll admit I care somewhat about stats, but I'll still play a game without stats.Sisco10 wrote:
I fear you are rite.DefCon-17 wrote:
I guess playing for fun is a dying 'artform'.
statsrlyfe
Don´t get me wrong though. I love stats as everyone else does. And I played Bf for them aswell, but after becoming Brigadier General I switched to helping my team to win the round. Hence my poor K/D of 1.88. Many a time it´s more useful for your team to sacrifice yourself, so that your buddy with the pilum may take a shot at the walkers back, whil you play the bait for example. Seems that kind of play only happens in clans nowadays.
In the long run though, I couldn't care less about stats.
I don't think stats will help me get a job.
But I agree, I do play games if they have stats or not. It depends whether I like the game or not. If it has some stats, fine I´ll take them, nice bonus.
I would definitely play cod4 because that game jsut plain rocks!
Flaunting golden guns is kinda satisfying too.Sisco10 wrote:
Neither does palying without themDefCon-17 wrote:
Well I'll admit I care somewhat about stats, but I'll still play a game without stats.Sisco10 wrote:
I fear you are rite.
Don´t get me wrong though. I love stats as everyone else does. And I played Bf for them aswell, but after becoming Brigadier General I switched to helping my team to win the round. Hence my poor K/D of 1.88. Many a time it´s more useful for your team to sacrifice yourself, so that your buddy with the pilum may take a shot at the walkers back, whil you play the bait for example. Seems that kind of play only happens in clans nowadays.
In the long run though, I couldn't care less about stats.
I don't think stats will help me get a job.
But I agree, I do play games if they have stats or not. It depends whether I like the game or not. If it has some stats, fine I´ll take them, nice bonus.
I would definitely play cod4 because that game jsut plain rocks!
Amen!DefCon-17 wrote:
Flaunting golden guns is kinda satisfying too.Sisco10 wrote:
Neither does palying without themDefCon-17 wrote:
Well I'll admit I care somewhat about stats, but I'll still play a game without stats.
In the long run though, I couldn't care less about stats.
I don't think stats will help me get a job.
But I agree, I do play games if they have stats or not. It depends whether I like the game or not. If it has some stats, fine I´ll take them, nice bonus.
I would definitely play cod4 because that game jsut plain rocks!
martydom, last stand, juggernaut are the three perks i see all the time. and it pisses me of most of the time.