BF2S Forums Fitna the Movie: "Geert Wilders' anti-koran movie

dayarath wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Stubbee wrote:

Live leak has removed the film due to threats to its staff.

Why am I not surprised?  Score another one for the religion of peace.

And what are we going to do about it if we would provocate them and keep the video on there. The radicals are an organized group that blend in inbetween the normal civilians, how do you want to root them out without getting considerable casualties on your own side, and for what good?

Let this religion of peace actually carry out their threats to the staff or make the staff walk under protection all day long? You can't confront these people head on without making a huge number of civilian casualties / sparking another war. It's not worth it.

Yes you can.  If the problem gets bad enough, you start deporting Muslims (starting with verified extremists and those who sympathize with them).  They will either get the message, or they will no longer be in your country.

Appeasement is not an option, unless you want to slowly lose your freedoms.

Here's a side note...  Have you noticed how Muslims don't generally fuck with us when we make fun of them in our media?  There might be protests, but we don't back down.  We also investigate thoroughly any death threats made.  You may call that stubborn, but I call it balls.

Generally speaking, extremists normally only fuck with Americans when we're on their soil.  9/11 was an anomaly of massive proportions, and while other attacks have occurred, our society hasn't scaled back our freedom of speech in order to avoid offending Muslims.  We're still doing fine with trade in Saudi Arabia.

So, the question I have is: if we can do it, why can't you?

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

you start deporting Muslims (starting with verified extremists and those who sympathize with them).  .

final solution much?

I said deportation, not camps or killing.  I don't advocate any murder except in self-defense.

The sooner we do away with all fairytale religions the better, when will people realize it's just a crutch & control mechanism. We don't need a higher power to lean on, we have each other.

Turquoise wrote:

You know what group I'm aiming for here.

yeah, people that break the law.

Turquoise wrote:

Here's a side note...  Have you noticed how Muslims don't generally fuck with us when we make fun of them in our media?  There might be protests, but we don't back down.  We also investigate thoroughly any death threats made.  You may call that stubborn, but I call it balls.

Generally speaking, extremists normally only fuck with Americans when we're on their soil.  9/11 was an anomaly of massive proportions, and while other attacks have occurred, our society hasn't scaled back our freedom of speech in order to avoid offending Muslims.  We're still doing fine with trade in Saudi Arabia.

So, the question I have is: if we can do it, why can't you?

First off we have a considerably larger muslim populace in europe than there is in america, that's a giant important factor when you wish to do the same as you're doing. Riots inside your own country is never a good thing to happen anyway, and a huge crowd can only grow if we're doing it the Wilders way.

His way is to insult every muslim on the planet generally trying to make all of them turn their backs on you and become hostile, bad solution is bad - agree? I know alot of muslims, most of them good people - but ofcourse, offended by Wilders' film. He portrays muslims as some kind of half-human breed with no regard for anyone else in society. But in today's modern standards we don't live solely by the knowledge of one book anymore, hell if that would be true christianity wouldn't be much different from islam (old testament is pretty bloody).

I prefer to call it all balls no brains. We're helping you out in Afghanistan / Iraq on a reasonable level, ofcourse I would advocate sending alot more troops over but hey, I'm not the one deciding that. Our policy on middle eastern extremism is like it should be, and the way we're handling it is pretty good.

Point is, making your freedom of speech get in the way of actual improvement of situation is not recommended and neither is it favorable, actually far from that. All you manage to do with that is spark major conflict.

Get the muslims in your own country to support you, then fight the radicals in other countries, not make both of them hate you.

turq, Im sure after the LA riots you wanted to deport all the niggers and spics too.

that doesnt surprise me coming from you

dayarath wrote:

First off we have a considerably larger muslim populace in europe than there is in america, that's a giant important factor when you wish to do the same as you're doing. Riots inside your own country is never a good thing to happen anyway, and a huge crowd can only grow if we're doing it the Wilders way.

His way is to insult every muslim on the planet generally trying to make all of them turn their backs on you and become hostile, bad solution is bad - agree? I know alot of muslims, most of them good people - but ofcourse, offended by Wilders' film. He portrays muslims as some kind of half-human breed with no regard for anyone else in society. But in today's modern standards we don't live solely by the knowledge of one book anymore, hell if that would be true christianity wouldn't be much different from islam (old testament is pretty bloody).

It's going to be a lot more bloody if they manage to push your country towards Sharia Law.

dayarath wrote:

I prefer to call it all balls no brains. We're helping you out in Afghanistan / Iraq on a reasonable level, ofcourse I would advocate sending alot more troops over but hey, I'm not the one deciding that. Our policy on middle eastern extremism is like it should be, and the way we're handling it is pretty good.

I'm the first to admit that America has its head up its ass when it comes to foreign policy.  The Iraq invasion was one of the dumbest things we've done in a long time.  Yet, one of the few benefits to being a ballsy nation is that extremists don't have much power over your freedom of speech.  We don't generally back down, period.  We probably should back down when it comes to Iraq, but not when it comes to defending free speech.

dayarath wrote:

Point is, making your freedom of speech get in the way of actual improvement of situation is not recommended and neither is it favorable, actually far from that. All you manage to do with that is spark major conflict.

Get the muslims in your own country to support you, then fight the radicals in other countries, not make both of them hate you.

I understand your logic, but I just don't see it working for you guys in the long run.  Sometimes it takes a lot of conflict in the short run before you get progress in the long run.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

if you think making an entire ethnicity of people disappear from society (whether by deportation, camps, execution, whatever) is going to fix your problems, I see no difference between that and mein kampf

Oh yeah...  I'm talking about gassing people and taking over the world here.  Thank you very much Mr. Godwin.

Note that I began this by giving people a choice.  They can deal with the freedom of speech, but if they don't behave, they have to leave.  It's that simple.

Poseidon wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

if you think making an entire ethnicity of people disappear from society (whether by deportation, camps, execution, whatever) is going to fix your problems, I see no difference between that and mein kampf

QFT.

That's now the third person besides me relating the Anti-Islam nuts to Hitler and the Third Reich.

Coincidence? I think not.

You know what the irony of that is?  The majority of the Middle East sided with Hitler.   Yet, I'm the Nazi, eh?  I'm the nut even though I'm not making death threats over a fucking cartoon.

Turquoise wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

if you think making an entire ethnicity of people disappear from society (whether by deportation, camps, execution, whatever) is going to fix your problems, I see no difference between that and mein kampf

Oh yeah...  I'm talking about gassing people and taking over the world here.  Thank you very much Mr. Godwin.

Note that I began this by giving people a choice.  They can deal with the freedom of speech, but if they don't behave, they have to leave.  It's that simple.

they they they.  so one fanatic speaks for the entire population? jesus christ!  they they they. reread what you wrote yourself and try to think what it sounds like to other people reading it.   

so the KKK member speaks for all white people?

the gang banging cholo for all hispanics?

the drug dealing black dude speaks for all blacks?

"they they they they.  'they' are 'they' as long as 'they' arent me"

Turquoise wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

if you think making an entire ethnicity of people disappear from society (whether by deportation, camps, execution, whatever) is going to fix your problems, I see no difference between that and mein kampf

QFT.

That's now the third person besides me relating the Anti-Islam nuts to Hitler and the Third Reich.

Coincidence? I think not.

You know what the irony of that is?  The majority of the Middle East sided with Hitler.   Yet, I'm the Nazi, eh?  I'm the nut even though I'm not making death threats over a fucking cartoon.

this is stuff I know about and I could say without a doubt in my mind that statement is wholly incorrect.  The majority of middle east belonged to france and britain before, during and after the war.  the fanatics sided with hitler, and even then, the connection was based loosely.