Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6543|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:


ah yes and "fuck off" is sweeping the debating community as a viable tactic.......go to bed
The minute you said "Go to bed" is when debating with you became utterly pointless. That, and just plain funny.
Oh see I felt that way pages ago when you decided to compare me ot Hitler instead of making an argument as to how Islam is not a violent and intolerant religion given its behavior.
Comparing your IDEOLOGIES to Hitler's was perfectly rational. Telling someone to "go to bed" is just showing you're immature.

Wait, ready? IDEOLOGIES

Bigger now! And better!

https://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5510/ideologiesir3.jpg
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6656|USA

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


The minute you said "Go to bed" is when debating with you became utterly pointless. That, and just plain funny.
Oh see I felt that way pages ago when you decided to compare me ot Hitler instead of making an argument as to how Islam is not a violent and intolerant religion given its behavior.
Comparing your IDEOLOGIES to Hitler's was perfectly rational. Telling someone to "go to bed" is just showing you're immature.

Wait, ready? IDEOLOGIES

Bigger now! And better!

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5510 … iesir3.jpg
No, comparing me to Hilter INSTEAD of arguing that Islam IS NOT a violent an intolerant religion is what the problem is. I say Islam is violent and intolerant. and it has been shown EVERYWHERE..........Now, instead of calling me, or comparing me to Hitler or our "ideologies", DENY the statment and PROVE to me I am wrong, USING the Majority of Islamic countries and their behavior as your proof. Or admit it and move on.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6543|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:


Oh see I felt that way pages ago when you decided to compare me ot Hitler instead of making an argument as to how Islam is not a violent and intolerant religion given its behavior.
Comparing your IDEOLOGIES to Hitler's was perfectly rational. Telling someone to "go to bed" is just showing you're immature.

Wait, ready? IDEOLOGIES

Bigger now! And better!

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5510 … iesir3.jpg
No, comparing me to Hilter INSTEAD of arguing that Islam IS NOT a violent an intolerant religion is what the problem is. I say Islam is violent and intolerant. and it has been shown EVERYWHERE..........Now, instead of calling me, or comparing me to Hitler or our "ideologies", DENY the statment and PROVE to me I am wrong, USING the Majority of Islamic countries and their behavior as your proof. Or admit it and move on.
Holy shit.

I'm done.

Ken, I'll leave the rest to you. I've got an essay to finish up. I can't be bothered arguing with a brick wall for the entire night.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6656|USA

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


Comparing your IDEOLOGIES to Hitler's was perfectly rational. Telling someone to "go to bed" is just showing you're immature.

Wait, ready? IDEOLOGIES

Bigger now! And better!

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5510 … iesir3.jpg
No, comparing me to Hilter INSTEAD of arguing that Islam IS NOT a violent an intolerant religion is what the problem is. I say Islam is violent and intolerant. and it has been shown EVERYWHERE..........Now, instead of calling me, or comparing me to Hitler or our "ideologies", DENY the statment and PROVE to me I am wrong, USING the Majority of Islamic countries and their behavior as your proof. Or admit it and move on.
Holy shit.

I'm done.

Ken, I'll leave the rest to you. I've got an essay to finish up. I can't be bothered arguing with a brick wall for the entire night.
Yeah WHATEVER you do, do not try and prove me wrong, just hang on your bullshit comparisons
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6543|Long Island, New York

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:


No, comparing me to Hilter INSTEAD of arguing that Islam IS NOT a violent an intolerant religion is what the problem is. I say Islam is violent and intolerant. and it has been shown EVERYWHERE..........Now, instead of calling me, or comparing me to Hitler or our "ideologies", DENY the statment and PROVE to me I am wrong, USING the Majority of Islamic countries and their behavior as your proof. Or admit it and move on.
Holy shit.

I'm done.

Ken, I'll leave the rest to you. I've got an essay to finish up. I can't be bothered arguing with a brick wall for the entire night.
Yeah WHATEVER you do, do not try and prove me wrong, just hang on your bullshit comparisons
lolk
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6656|USA
The fact that you have not shown anything that supports Islam as a peace loving and tolerant religion in its majority has not gone un-noticed
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6685
If a gay bar was raised near a mosque then the Muslims would feel like they were walking backwards in a corn field
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6188|Ireland
Holy shit, they still can't answer my question because they would have to admit to the reality of life. duh.  Thanks for proving my point guys. Islam is intolerant and violent.

Good nite.
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6555|CH/BR - in UK

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Holy shit, they still can't answer my question because they would have to admit to the reality of life. duh.  Thanks for proving my point guys. Islam is intolerant and violent.

Good nite.
Oh, come on - stop being so selective with your reading. I posted, and many others did too. Most of us here disagree with you. Face the facts and stop living in your imaginary world.

Islam is as violent as any other religion out there. However, I will not disagree with you that many middle eastern cultures that would protest strongly against this, but I don't see the difference between that, and American soccer moms "protecting their children from the horrible sin". There are extremists who are really violent, but you have to accept that they are not the majority.

-konfusion
BVC
Member
+325|6701
What about a bar for gay Jews on one side, a processing plant for meat from gay pigs on the other, and a Danish Mohammed-comic book shop across the street...run by a gay guy?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6543|Long Island, New York

konfusion wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Holy shit, they still can't answer my question because they would have to admit to the reality of life. duh.  Thanks for proving my point guys. Islam is intolerant and violent.

Good nite.
Oh, come on - stop being so selective with your reading. I posted, and many others did too. Most of us here disagree with you. Face the facts and stop living in your imaginary world.

Islam is as violent as any other religion out there. However, I will not disagree with you that many middle eastern cultures that would protest strongly against this, but I don't see the difference between that, and American soccer moms "protecting their children from the horrible sin". There are extremists who are really violent, but you have to accept that they are not the majority.

-konfusion
As I said - they pick and choose what they want to hear.
Hazril
Member
+5|6003

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I hope that Scorpion and Poseidon come and educate the bigots in this thread on how Muslims really feel about gays.  They know a lot about this because they know Muslims and stuff.  Poseidon brought it to my attention that the Media lies about Muslims and are just spreading hate towards the religion. 

Many of you seem really out of touch with reality.
Well, location does have a lot to do with it.  Most of the Muslims that come to America are the saner, more liberal ones.  I know you'll find this funny, but liberal in this context means "pro-Western".  This is why most American Muslims wouldn't make a big deal about a gay bar.  There are even openly gay Muslims living in America -- something obviously not seen very often in the Middle East.

Of course, everything changes when the government involved is theocratic and personal freedoms are a joke.  Places like Saudi Arabia and Iran aren't exactly known for their social tolerance, so your assumptions are far more valid for Muslims in those countries rather than Muslims here.  Although admittedly, Muslims in Europe seem to be distinctly less tolerant of gays despite living in free societies.
Solution to the Muslim problem; bring them all here. They will ditch Allah for pron, gay bars and xbox 360's.
I have an xbox 360, accidentally been into a gay bar (and survived), watch pron (or porn if that is what u were referin to) and still able to maintain my beliefs to Allah swt and follow Muhammads pbuh teachings. So does every other Muslim I know. At least where Im from.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6633|IRELAND

Hazril wrote:

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Well, location does have a lot to do with it.  Most of the Muslims that come to America are the saner, more liberal ones.  I know you'll find this funny, but liberal in this context means "pro-Western".  This is why most American Muslims wouldn't make a big deal about a gay bar.  There are even openly gay Muslims living in America -- something obviously not seen very often in the Middle East.

Of course, everything changes when the government involved is theocratic and personal freedoms are a joke.  Places like Saudi Arabia and Iran aren't exactly known for their social tolerance, so your assumptions are far more valid for Muslims in those countries rather than Muslims here.  Although admittedly, Muslims in Europe seem to be distinctly less tolerant of gays despite living in free societies.
Solution to the Muslim problem; bring them all here. They will ditch Allah for pron, gay bars and xbox 360's.
I have an xbox 360, accidentally been into a gay bar (and survived), watch pron (or porn if that is what u were referin to) and still able to maintain my beliefs to Allah swt and follow Muhammads pbuh teachings. So does every other Muslim I know. At least where Im from.
Do you want to kill all who don't want to convert to Islam? When you pray do you pay parables of hate and intolerance?

According to allot of posters here, you MUST do.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6416|'Murka

"A lot" is an inaccurate description. "A few" would be more accurate.
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CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6560
Homosexuality is illegal in many Islamic countries, much like it was in Ireland until the early 90s, so I guess the hypothetical in the OP is a bit pointless and stupid. The fact that alcohol is pretty much illegal in a lot of these countries makes the hypothetical doubly pointless.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-03-27 06:26:56)

Lisik
Member
+74|6506|Israel

Hazril wrote:

I have an xbox 360, accidentally been into a gay bar (and survived), watch pron (or porn if that is what u were referin to) and still able to maintain my beliefs to Allah swt and follow Muhammads pbuh teachings. So does every other Muslim I know. At least where Im from.
you watch porn before you pray or after? or maybe during? lol

and were is this mystery place you from?
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6649
Ive seen baghdad night clubs
Lisik
Member
+74|6506|Israel
what they drink there? lemonade?

Last edited by Lisik (2008-03-27 07:12:02)

GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6649
I dont no, didnt go inside.  I saw pretty women in nice outfits and the sound of muffled music coming from the walls and flashy lights showing through the entrance where some bouncers were standing


I drank plenty of whiskey and beer I bought from iraqis selling em on the street.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-03-27 07:14:56)

Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6188|Ireland

CameronPoe wrote:

Homosexuality is illegal in many Islamic countries, much like it was in Ireland until the early 90s, so I guess the hypothetical in the OP is a bit pointless and stupid. The fact that alcohol is pretty much illegal in a lot of these countries makes the hypothetical doubly pointless.
Yeah, it is pointless to face the reality of how the Majority of Muslims practice Islam today because of a law somewhere in Ireland in the past.  You are very enlightened, more so than anyone else and therefore you do not need to argue your point based on facts pertaining to my question but just on your personal warm fuzzy beliefs of how things should be in your own little reality.

I can't recall if Nazis treated their own women as bad as Muslims do while following Islamic law in the M.E.?  Ouch, confronting facts that don't fit in with your false reality can really hurt some times.  Yeah, I am way off base to say that Islam is a very sick religion and the source of much violence, hate, and war in the world.  So out of touch because someones Grandma was a nice person, that is Islam, not all the hate and intolerance in the M.E.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6450|The Land of Scott Walker

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:


Deep in the grains of knowledge and perspective.

How do I have my head in the sand?
I guess for the same reason you think I am ignorant because I feel Islam is the violent and intolerant religion. ..................Because I said so.
Read the Old Testament much?  Ever seen the Qur'an?  Ever read the Qur'an?  Ever taken a religious studies class?  Ever taken a Comparative and/or Classical Mythology class?

Obviously not.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And yes.  And I agree with lowing.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6560

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Yeah, it is pointless to face the reality of how the Majority of Muslims practice Islam today because of a law somewhere in Ireland in the past.  You are very enlightened, more so than anyone else and therefore you do not need to argue your point based on facts pertaining to my question but just on your personal warm fuzzy beliefs of how things should be in your own little reality.

I can't recall if Nazis treated their own women as bad as Muslims do while following Islamic law in the M.E.?  Ouch, confronting facts that don't fit in with your false reality can really hurt some times.  Yeah, I am way off base to say that Islam is a very sick religion and the source of much violence, hate, and war in the world.  So out of touch because someones Grandma was a nice person, that is Islam, not all the hate and intolerance in the M.E.
What it boils down to is this - does Islam affect your daily life? No it does fucking not. They have some pretty restrictive and backward views on certain things, big wow: it's happening tens of thousands of miles away from you. BIG FUCKING DEAL. The US is currently more of a source of much violence and war in the world right now than any Muslim sect. Just look at how many military bases it has dotted all around the globe. Then take a quick peek at its military endeavours in the last century. I wonder if you totted up the death tolls who'd come out on top (excluding WWII)?

Islam. BIG FUCKING DEAL. Deal with it. Mind your own business. The region you speak of is several hundred years behind the rest of the world developmentally. It ain't gonna play catchup overnight and it ain't gonna play catch up any faster with a gun pointed at it.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-03-27 07:42:59)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6450|The Land of Scott Walker
So all the military endeavors of the US excluding WW2 are now comparable to terrorism?  Lovely.  And all of them must have been driven by religious zeal to aid the comparison?  Wait ...
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6560

Stingray24 wrote:

So all the military endeavors of the US excluding WW2 are now comparable to terrorism?  Lovely.  And all of them must have been driven by religious zeal to aid the comparison?  Wait ...
On a simple numbers game the US army has been responsible for the deaths of far more people than the totality of muslim people, good or bad, in the last century. That's the point I was making. You are directly tying the religion to the acts of the few sick followers of it who think it's ok to detonate a bomb belt in a busy cafe.

And the likes of the Bay of Pigs invasion and the Vietnam affair were acts of state terrorism and improper intervention in the affairs of others IMO, FTR.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-03-27 07:57:53)

SFCCDailey
Banned
+106|6721|USA
This pretty much sums up the whole idea of a gay bar next to a Mosque.

http://www.rathergood.com/gaybar/

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