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Poseidon wrote:

And there's a reason why there's no (or very little) radical Islamist groups in the US.

BECAUSE MUSLIMS IN THE UNITED STATES CONDEMN IT.

/facepalm

Excellent point Poseidon and I agree that Muslims in the US as a whole are very different than Muslims in the M.E. as a whole.  What I don't understand is why Muslims in the US do not seem as vocal or more vocal than the general public against the RADICAL ISLAM being preached elsewhere in the world.

I would think if the Vatican decided to preach hate towards nonChristians and someone was beheaded or stoned to death in the Vatican that Catholics Churches would be separating from the Pope and Vatican over night and protesting quite loudly.  Hell christians would be out raged and denounce the Catholic Church as an evil cult and there would be protests in front of Catholic Churches in the US come Sunday.

I don't see this with Islam, and I would love to see Muslims take the Clerics/Countries to task that preach this hate, but I am hard pressed to see the movement to take back the religion.  I work with Muslims and I don't find them as evil people and have no reason to hate them of feel that they are a threat to me, but I also never hear them speak out about this stuff.  I don't know if they fear me, their religion, don't care, or are just keeping their heads down, but when other people are willing to speak out about it and they don't it is very irritating as hell.  Now I seriously doubt they would stand by in a room while a random civilians head was being cut off and do nothing, but damnit why would you not be willing to comment on the riots over a picture of Muhamad or David Pearl being beheaded????  Well I think they are embarassed and worried that they will not like what they hear if they talk about it.

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2008-03-26 20:12:35)

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

And there's a reason why there's no (or very little) radical Islamist groups in the US.

BECAUSE MUSLIMS IN THE UNITED STATES CONDEMN IT.

/facepalm

Excellent point Poseidon and I agree that Muslims in the US as a whole are very different than Muslims in the M.E. as a whole.  What I don't understand is why Muslims in the US do not seem as vocal or more vocal than the general public against the RADICAL ISLAM being preached elsewhere in the world.

I would think if the Vatican decided to preach hate towards nonChristians and someone was beheaded or stoned to death in the Vatican that Catholics Churches would be separating from the Pope and Vatican over night and protesting quite loudly.  Hell christians would be out raged and denounce the Catholic Church as an evil cult and there would be protests in front of Catholic Churches in the US come Sunday.

I don't see this with Islam, and I would love to see Muslims take the Clerics/Countries to task that preach this hate, but I am hard pressed to see the movement to take back the religion.  I work with Muslims and I don't find them as evil people and have no reason to hate them of feel that they are a threat to me, but I also never hear them speak out about this stuff.  I don't know if they fear me, their religion, don't care, or are just keeping their heads down, but when other people are willing to speak out about it and they don't it is very irritating as hell.  Now I seriously doubt they would stand by in a room while a random civilians head was being cut off and do nothing, but damnit why would you not be willing to comment on the riots over a picture of Muhamad or David Pearl being beheaded????  Well I think they are embarassed and worried that they will not like what they hear if they talk about it.

Because there's so very little muslims in the US, but so many Christians in the united states. It's hard for a smaller group to have a bigger voice. And whether you agree with it or not, it's all because of the media. And not just Fox News (although they're a big one in not showing it). A LOT of Media outlets don't broadcast muslim scholars condemning the attacks. I watch the news every day, and even though the internet provides me with bundles of articles on Muslims in the US (and other places) condemning terrorism, you'll be hard pressed to find a news report on Muslims condemning an attack.

And I agree, I think they may just be worried. They've already got shit against them from the American public...

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Excellent point Poseidon and I agree that Muslims in the US as a whole are very different than Muslims in the M.E. as a whole.  What I don't understand is why Muslims in the US do not seem as vocal or more vocal than the general public against the RADICAL ISLAM being preached elsewhere in the world.

I would think if the Vatican decided to preach hate towards nonChristians and someone was beheaded or stoned to death in the Vatican that Catholics Churches would be separating from the Pope and Vatican over night and protesting quite loudly.  Hell christians would be out raged and denounce the Catholic Church as an evil cult and there would be protests in front of Catholic Churches in the US come Sunday.

I don't see this with Islam, and I would love to see Muslims take the Clerics/Countries to task that preach this hate, but I am hard pressed to see the movement to take back the religion.  I work with Muslims and I don't find them as evil people and have no reason to hate them of feel that they are a threat to me, but I also never hear them speak out about this stuff.  I don't know if they fear me, their religion, don't care, or are just keeping their heads down, but when other people are willing to speak out about it and they don't it is very irritating as hell.  Now I seriously doubt they would stand by in a room while a random civilians head was being cut off and do nothing, but damnit why would you not be willing to comment on the riots over a picture of Muhamad or David Pearl being beheaded????  Well I think they are embarassed and worried that they will not like what they hear if they talk about it.

Because there's so very little muslims in the US, but so many Christians in the united states. It's hard for a smaller group to have a bigger voice. And whether you agree with it or not, it's all because of the media. And not just Fox News (although they're a big one in not showing it). A LOT of Media outlets don't broadcast muslim scholars condemning the attacks. I watch the news every day, and even though the internet provides me with bundles of articles on Muslims in the US (and other places) condemning terrorism, you'll be hard pressed to find a news report on Muslims condemning an attack.

And I agree, I think they may just be worried. They've already got shit against them from the American public...

and if, by your admittance,  there are so few Muslims in America, then you can hardly use them as the yard stick to measure the true nature of Islam then can you?

Likewise, you can hardly use the extremists as the yardstick to measure the true nature of Islam, right?

Oh, but the non-extremists MUST speak out enough for you to be satisfied.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Because there's so very little muslims in the US, but so many Christians in the united states. It's hard for a smaller group to have a bigger voice. And whether you agree with it or not, it's all because of the media. And not just Fox News (although they're a big one in not showing it). A LOT of Media outlets don't broadcast muslim scholars condemning the attacks. I watch the news every day, and even though the internet provides me with bundles of articles on Muslims in the US (and other places) condemning terrorism, you'll be hard pressed to find a news report on Muslims condemning an attack.

And I agree, I think they may just be worried. They've already got shit against them from the American public...

and if, by your admittance,  there are so few Muslims in America, then you can hardly use them as the yard stick to measure the true nature of Islam then can you?

Likewise, you can hardly use the extremists as the yardstick to measure the true nature of Islam, right?

Oh, but the non-extremists MUST speak out enough for you to be satisfied.

I am not using the extremists, I am using the TEACHINGS and the ACTIONS of Islamic lead countries throughout the world. YOU literally have used your STEP MOM to prove your point.

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

and if, by your admittance,  there are so few Muslims in America, then you can hardly use them as the yard stick to measure the true nature of Islam then can you?

Likewise, you can hardly use the extremists as the yardstick to measure the true nature of Islam, right?

Oh, but the non-extremists MUST speak out enough for you to be satisfied.

I am not using the extremists, I am using the TEACHINGS and the ACTIONS of Islamic lead countries throughout the world. YOU literally have used your STEP MOM to prove your point.

Oh, my bad.  I didn't know you studied the Qur'an.  Sorry.

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Likewise, you can hardly use the extremists as the yardstick to measure the true nature of Islam, right?

Oh, but the non-extremists MUST speak out enough for you to be satisfied.

I am not using the extremists, I am using the TEACHINGS and the ACTIONS of Islamic lead countries throughout the world. YOU literally have used your STEP MOM to prove your point.

And now he's confusing you and I. I lol'd. And still not realizing that I used a bit more than my stepmom. I used a LIST of muslims condemning terrorism.

Moar facepalm incoming:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3568 … nthyp2.jpg

no you used a sanitary list of token examples.....NOT like the out rage we witness when Islam is insulted.

Waitin' on you Ken

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Africa and its Islamic rule

Is that the same Africa that has more Christians than it does Muslims?

Encyclopedia Britannica estimates that approximately 46.5% of all Africans are Christians and another 40.5% are Muslims

(source)

glad you brought that up. Take at look at the highest Islamic populations in Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Isla … ountry.png


and then places like ohhhhh I dunno Sudan?

lowing wrote:

places like ohhhhh I dunno Sudan?

If you're refering to the Darfur crisis, then, hate to tell you this, but the victims of said crisis are the largely Islamic sedentary population who are being attacked, largely, by the non-islamic nomadic Janjaweed.


The problems in Sudan have nothing to do with religion.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-03-26 22:17:16)

lowing wrote:

I am not using the extremists, I am using the TEACHINGS and the ACTIONS of Islamic lead countries throughout the world. YOU literally have used your STEP MOM to prove your point.

Quote from the Grand Imam himself (who is the highest leader in the shiite sect of Muslims):  "from an Islamic viewpoint there is no doubt that the operations of the mujahidin against the Jews in Palestine are legitimate."

For statements like this, I would not like to have a Mosque in my neighborhood.

Yes I realize the sunni's are the largest sect of Muslims, but when the leader of aproximately 15 percent of Muslims speaks, someone listens.

lowing wrote:

As usual 22 pages of bullshit and all that is asked is to show that Islam is not a violent and intolerant religion BASED on the majority of the Islamic countries, their laws,  and their actions. You insist that the US has a small population of Muslims, fine, then I insist that they can not be used to gauge Islam as a whole. They are the exception and not the rule.

Instead of showing me that I am wrong about this religion, I am berated with being called a bigot and compared to fuckin' Hitler. I say stop telling me I am wrong and start showing me I am wrong. Tell me how the ME and its Islamic rule is not medieval, tell me how Africa and its Islamic rule is not medieval. Tell me how the admitted small population of Muslims in the US is supposed to be the yardstick for measuring this religion and not the MAJORITY of the Islamic countries and their actions.

What about Indonesia? By and large they seem to disdain terrorism - they afaik are the only Islamic country who actually cares about stamping it out.

I admit that's one country but that is a BIG chunk of the Islamic world.

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ah yes, I few token words by a few leaders.........very very sanitary I must say...............WHERE is the OUTRAGE, the ANGER, the people taking to the streets AGAINST Terrorism like they do when they are insulted?? Their passion over attrocities committed in the name of Islam does not even come close to the passion they express over being insulted, and you damn well know it.

Where were the mass protests against Eric Rudolphs bombings?

They have to have mass rallies in order to condemn terrorism? LOL, okay. God, nothing's enough for you from them.

a single bombing that killed a single person in one single day does not compare to the WORLD WIDE attrocites committed in the name of Islam.

For you to compare the 2, truely shows despiration to justify their attitude.


They also found that mother fucker, charged him with murder and have him in jail.................

You wanna talk about desperation? Lowing, you're desperate to find anything to hate about Islam. Hell, they COULD stage a protest and yet you still wouldn't be happy. And what about the Westboro Baptist Church? The Army of God? Corrupt leaders like Ted Haggard? Why don't Christians stage protests against them? Because it's not necessary. They condemn them, but they don't have to fucking stage a massive protest in order to get their word out. It's the media which does that, and they choose not to most of the time.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

where was the outrage from White Christians when the KKK was killing black people in the south?
do u think that speaking out may just put people who are already in a terrible situation in even more danger from their own people?
geeze, u sound exactly like the kind of person who devised "the final solution for the jewish problem"
America commited far worse terror acts than muslims... the invasion of iraq has killed ALOT more people than terrorism ever has.

Where was the outrage when white christians were killing indians in the hundreds of thousands?

And that's now two people who think you have the same ideologies of Hitler, lowing. You both didn't/don't want a type of people in your country, and you wanted it removed because you believed it was causing the downfall of the nation.

You're afraid to admit that muslims living here cope just fine with life and can adapt to western ways. And even if they don't adapt culturally, they can still be members who contribute to society.

Don't look now, but it isn't finding something to hate Islam about that is the problem. It is finding something good to say about it that would be a struggle.

Oh yeah the Iraq war was an act of terrorism........Don't forget the invasion of Normany, how many people were killed due to allied terrorism back then?

I personally do not want Islam in our country, and the reason for this is pretty obvious. Islam does not gel with western society. Period.

I do not endorse killing all Muslims, I do not endorse forced removing them from our country.

By the way, when are we gunna compare Christ to Muhammad? You seem to want to compare religions, well lets start with the teachings and words and actions of each of their main messengers of God........Or are we gunna drop that angle?

You talk about me using bad examples... how the hell do u compare the invasion of normandy, which was a completely justified invasion to liverate frace to the invasion of iraq, where there was NO reason that the US should get involved... u might say that ssaddam was a bad guy so they went in to stop him... thats bullshit. america has done nothing about scores of genocidal dictators and yet suddenly there so interested with iraq.