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Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

You are correct, I have no problem comparing Christianity 500 years ago with modern day Islam. It is a completely fair and logical comparison.

I have no problem comparing the teachings and actions of Christ, to the teachings and actions of Muhammad. One taught tolerance, and forgiveness, and love and healed the sick and the other taught to kill non-nonbelievers and cut off 600 heads personally. The only problem is, I can't remember which one was which. Anyway, they are practically the same belief structure. Personally, I am going for Islam they have their shit together and have moved into the 21st century far better than Christianity, wouldn't you agree?

If nothing else, the best we can hope for in influencing Islam is that reformists and liberals slowly take over the institutions of Islam.  Currently, ultraconservatives wield a lot of influence in the Islamic World, and their values often conflict with what we commonly know of as Western values.

If reformists and liberals become dominant in the Islamic World, then we will see Islam adapt to the modern world far better with a much more tolerant interpretation of Muhammad's teachings.  If not, then unfortunately, we're likely to see many more wars in Islamic countries in the near future.

This, of course, assuming Islam ever had any problems with the west, which of course, it doesn't. It is good however that solutions have been discussed, in the unlikely event that Islam took a turn for the worse and it found itself in a position that it felt the need to try and change the west instead of actually assimilate to it upon its arrival. I am happy to see that this is not the case however.

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

You are correct, I have no problem comparing Christianity 500 years ago with modern day Islam. It is a completely fair and logical comparison.

I have no problem comparing the teachings and actions of Christ, to the teachings and actions of Muhammad. One taught tolerance, and forgiveness, and love and healed the sick and the other taught to kill non-nonbelievers and cut off 600 heads personally. The only problem is, I can't remember which one was which. Anyway, they are practically the same belief structure. Personally, I am going for Islam they have their shit together and have moved into the 21st century far better than Christianity, wouldn't you agree?

Ah yes, all hail the tolerant religion of Christianity!

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Every religion has it's moderates. Every religion has it's extremists. What's so hard to understand about that? It's all about interpretation, lowing. There's also a verse in the bible that could be inferred to (and in fact most likely means) the Sun circling around the earth.

My God, Malcolm X! So violent! OMG, Muhammad Ali! He's killing an infidel RIGHT NOW I bet! Oh, and Kareem Abdul Jabar...god, he's such an extremist! We need to take them all down NOW!

I hope you can appreciate the fact that I am talking about a religion and a culture as a whole, and you are using specific people.

I used to think Islam as a religion is intolerant and violent, not nessesarily all members of it.

Of course now I see Islam IS NOT violent an intolerant, but a beacon of truth,, freedom, and equality fully adapted to western society.

So are you, in a way. You're using extremists. They are a SPECIFIC PEOPLE.

Also, I'm guessing you see Islam as a violent and intolerant religion because of what the Qu'ran says, yes? Well then, why don't you consider Christianity as violent? Look here:

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/BibleViolence.htm

But oh yeah, ONLY the Qu'ran preaches violence. Yeah, right.

Sure, there's more Islamic extremists than there is Christian extremists. Luckily for Christianity, most of the religion is based in 1st world countries, while most of Islamic countries are 3rd world. This leaves children (and adults) easily susceptible to be brainwashed by terrorist leaders like Bin Laden. If someone like, oh I dunno, Eric Rudolph, a CHRISTIAN terrorist lived in the middle east and was preaching his words, I bet there'd be a major spike of Christian Terrorism as well.

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

I hope you can appreciate the fact that I am talking about a religion and a culture as a whole, and you are using specific people.

I used to think Islam as a religion is intolerant and violent, not nessesarily all members of it.

Of course now I see Islam IS NOT violent an intolerant, but a beacon of truth,, freedom, and equality fully adapted to western society.

So are you, in a way. You're using extremists. They are a SPECIFIC PEOPLE.

Also, I'm guessing you see Islam as a violent and intolerant religion because of what the Qu'ran says, yes? Well then, why don't you consider Christianity as violent? Look here:

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/BibleViolence.htm

But oh yeah, ONLY the Qu'ran preaches violence. Yeah, right.

Sure, there's more Islamic extremists than there is Christian extremists. Luckily for Christianity, most of the religion is based in 1st world countries, while most of Islamic countries are 3rd world. This leaves children (and adults) easily susceptible to be brainwashed by terrorist leaders like Bin Laden. If someone like, oh I dunno, Eric Rudolph, a CHRISTIAN terrorist lived in the middle east and was preaching his words, I bet there'd be a major spike of Christian Terrorism as well.

CHRISTians, follow the teachings of CHRIST ( or so they say), Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammad. If you wanna compare apples and apples then do so, compare the words teachings and actions of Christ to the words teachings and actions of Muhammad, actually I dare ya.


I mean I would if I disagreed with you. In fact I am pretty sure there is no connection AT ALL to the fact that most of the 3rd world, under developed, oppressed, nations are Islamic. It is just a coincidence I am sure....

See: Easily brainwashed. AKA African Countries. I seem to remember a time when western countries were taking over african countries, and they were all Christian.

Look at any country with a Mulsim Majority.  Look at the society, laws, and freedoms.  Now look at the countries with a Christian, Jewish, Buddist, or Hindu Majority and their society, laws, and freedoms.

It speaks for itself.  I can't individually judge each person.  There are shitty christians and good christians.  There are shitty muslims and good muslims.  There are shitty branches of chistianity and shitty branches of islam.  There are also good Mosque and good churches.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK ON A WHOLE, ISLAM IS THE MOST VIOLENT, REPRESSIVE, INTOLERANT MAJOR RELIGION OF THEM ALL, PERIOD.

Sure a pitbull could make an Awesome pet dog, but it has the greatest record for killing people and being agressive so I don't want one on my block let alone would I go out an buy one.  Pitbulls are agressive, and Islam is violent.

Sure a Muslim could practive Islam through a strictly peaceful interuptitation of the Quran.  The vast majority of Christians have evolved to this with the Bible, but obviously the 3rd world stuck in dark ages retards in the middle east that export the medevil Islamic culture don't seem to get the whole tollerance aspect of religion and society.  These munkey fucks would rather set up school preaching hate and use the religion to control tribe regions and cite it to motivate the followers for war and evil. 

THIS IS THE VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE PRACTICING ISLAM.

Give it a hundred years, maybe then it will catch up.  Islam teaches hate.  You can see it in Islamic societies where the cancer is rooted.  To wish to be a part of such stupidity take a weak minded uneducated fool that is filled with hate or a conformist that was unfortunate enough to have been born in an area infested with it.

All I can do is laugh at the people who argue about how peaceful Islam is, open you damn eyes.

I just do posts like that because of the money I get paid by Billy Graham.

Talking to yourself lowing?

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Look at any country with a Mulsim Majority.  Look at the society, laws, and freedoms.  Now look at the countries with a Christian, Jewish, Buddist, or Hindu Majority and their society, laws, and freedoms.

It speaks for itself.  I can't individually judge each person.  There are shitty christians and good christians.  There are shitty muslims and good muslims.  There are shitty branches of chistianity and shitty branches of islam.  There are also good Mosque and good churches.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK ON A WHOLE, ISLAM IS THE MOST VIOLENT, REPRESSIVE, INTOLERANT MAJOR RELIGION OF THEM ALL, PERIOD.

Sure a pitbull could make an Awesome pet dog, but it has the greatest record for killing people and being agressive so I don't want one on my block let alone would I go out an buy one.  Pitbulls are agressive, and Islam is violent.

Sure a Muslim could practive Islam through a strictly peaceful interuptitation of the Quran.  The vast majority of Christians have evolved to this with the Bible, but obviously the 3rd world stuck in dark ages retards in the middle east that export the medevil Islamic culture don't seem to get the whole tollerance aspect of religion and society.  These munkey fucks would rather set up school preaching hate and use the religion to control tribe regions and cite it to motivate the followers for war and evil. 

THIS IS THE VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE PRACTICING ISLAM.

Give it a hundred years, maybe then it will catch up.  Islam teaches hate.  You can see it in Islamic societies where the cancer is rooted.  To wish to be a part of such stupidity take a weak minded uneducated fool that is filled with hate or a conformist that was unfortunate enough to have been born in an area infested with it.

All I can do is laugh at the people who argue about how peaceful Islam is, open you damn eyes.

I refer those people to my current sig line.

Poseidon wrote:

Considering it's past midnight and I'm not in the mood to nitpick, I'll lay down one question.

Do you (Drool, Lowing) believe that muslims in [b]America[b] are violent and intolerant?

Not Iran, not Syria. AMERICA.

Pretty
obious
isn't it?

Poseidon wrote:

ATG wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Considering it's past midnight and I'm not in the mood to nitpick, I'll lay down one question.

Do you (Drool, Lowing) believe that muslims in [b]America[b] are violent and intolerant?

Not Iran, not Syria. AMERICA.

Pretty
obious
isn't it?

Ah, so what about those christian kids who write swastikas on graves? We had a couple of those out here. And the KKK? And neo-nazis?

Yeah, but just because a couple of muslims do something here, it means EVERY one of the muslims here is violent. Oh, okay.

Fact is, Islam in America isn't violent. You don't see large scale protests...you don't see them blowing up busses...nothing.

you also do not see the outrage from them for children in Russia when they were massacred in their school. The only time you see outrage from Islam is when it sees cartoons about its prophet or is exposed for all of their hatred violence and intolerance. Then and only then do they take to the streets and wreak havoc.

It is too bad they do not express themselves with the same zeal over suicide bombings of women and children as they do with being insulted.


As far as the other Christian extremist groups are concerned, they have ALL been keeped down, insignificant and reduced to a punchline in a joke by guess who....THE MAJORITY of the moderates of their religion.

The above is what the old lowing would say..........The new enlightened lowing thinks that Islam is the solution and definitely not the problem.

Lowing wrote:

you also do not see the outrage from them for children in Russia when they were massacred in their school. The only time you see outrage from Islam is when it sees cartoons about its prophet or is exposed for all of their hatred violence and intolerance.

There is nothing more that needs be said about Islam today.

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Ah, so what about those christian kids who write swastikas on graves? We had a couple of those out here. And the KKK? And neo-nazis?

Yeah, but just because a couple of muslims do something here, it means EVERY one of the muslims here is violent. Oh, okay.

Fact is, Islam in America isn't violent. You don't see large scale protests...you don't see them blowing up busses...nothing.

you also do not see the outrage from them for children in Russia when they were massacred in their school. The only time you see outrage from Islam is when it sees cartoons about its prophet or is exposed for all of their hatred violence and intolerance. Then and only then do they take to the streets and wreak havoc.

It is too bad they do not express themselves with the same zeal over suicide bombings of women and children as they do with being insulted.


As far as the other Christian extremist groups are concerned, they have ALL been keeped down, insignificant and reduced to a punchline in a joke by guess who....THE MAJORITY of the moderates of their religion.

The above is what the old lowing would say..........The new enlightened lowing thinks that Islam is the solution and definitely not the problem.

Again, going to Europe. Can you read? Honestly. I'm beginning to think you can't. Either that, or you just pick and choose what you want to hear. Where was the violence for the cartoons? Oh, that's right. Not in America. Did they condemn the drawings? Sure. I'd condemn cartoons making fun of my religion too (I.E. The Holocaust cartoon fair in Iran/Nazi propaganda).

I was speaking of Islam in the US...........WHERE was the outrage for all of the atrocities committed in the name of ISlAM other than the outrage of an insult against it?

Islam has no defense for its silence regarding all matters concerning this religion, other than its exposure.

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Again, going to Europe. Can you read? Honestly. I'm beginning to think you can't. Either that, or you just pick and choose what you want to hear. Where was the violence for the cartoons? Oh, that's right. Not in America. Did they condemn the drawings? Sure. I'd condemn cartoons making fun of my religion too (I.E. The Holocaust cartoon fair in Iran/Nazi propaganda).

I was speaking of Islam in the US...........WHERE was the outrage for all of the atrocities committed in the name of ISlAM other than the outrage of an insult against it?

Islam has no defense for its silence regarding all matters concerning this religion, other than its exposure.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

wat

(I've got a strange feeling of Deja Vu...oh wait, that's because I've said this before. But you refuse to believe it.)

Ah yes, I few token words by a few leaders.........very very sanitary I must say...............WHERE is the OUTRAGE, the ANGER, the people taking to the streets AGAINST Terrorism like they do when they are insulted?? Their passion over attrocities committed in the name of Islam does not even come close to the passion they express over being insulted, and you damn well know it.

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

wat

(I've got a strange feeling of Deja Vu...oh wait, that's because I've said this before. But you refuse to believe it.)

Ah yes, I few token words by a few leaders.........very very sanitary I must say...............WHERE is the OUTRAGE, the ANGER, the people taking to the streets AGAINST Terrorism like they do when they are insulted?? Their passion over attrocities committed in the name of Islam does not even come close to the passion they express over being insulted, and you damn well know it.

Where were the mass protests against Eric Rudolphs bombings?

They have to have mass rallies in order to condemn terrorism? LOL, okay. God, nothing's enough for you from them.

a single bombing that killed a single person in one single day does not compare to the WORLD WIDE attrocites committed in the name of Islam.

For you to compare the 2, truely shows despiration to justify their attitude.


They also found that mother fucker, charged him with murder and have him in jail.................

Last edited by lowing (2008-03-25 21:47:31)