d4rkph03n1x
Member
+131|7000

This is a serious thread discussing the issue of addiction to the internet and computer gaming. I have a post in ATG's thread that may help shed some more light onto my situation.

Lets start off by stating that I’m Eighteen years and four months old. I moved back into my parents house four months ago, after being kicked out when I was fourteen. I got put into foster care when I had a fight with my mum in a public library. They say it was because of my obsession with a computer game called Runescape, and I’d have to agree with them on this. I’d skip school because I was severely bullied, every day. Playing Runescape was a far better alternative to being socially barraged on a daily basis. I won a full scholarship to Saint Stephen’s College, because I was a bright kid. That didn’t seem to help my case at all, infact, it probably worsened it.

When I was in foster care, I didn’t touch computer games, until two years later I went to TAFE to study a Certificate III in Information Technology, which was the prerequisite to a diploma in Networking or Software. I sort of lost track and started to play runescape again, which I do regret, and haven’t played for years. I went through the six month course twice, failing both times. It was at one of these semesters that I first got introduced to the x-zone internet café by some classmates, and subsequently BF2. I had barely ever played first person shooters, not even on consoles, because my parents sheltered me. After failing tafe I started to become more and more consumed by playing at the internet café. I started off on BF2, and then slowly tried other games like CS 1.6, CSS, DotA Allstars (6.24), and then eventually WoW. I became addicted to WoW, but I quit about 6 months ago, and don’t know if I’ll get back into it or not. Foster care was basically the start, because after two years of doing nothing, I pretty much had two years straight of gaming. When I turned 18, I could no longer stay in my foster home by law, so I had to move back into my parents home. Since that time four months ago, I’ve literally only been playing computer games maybe twice a week the longest session being around 6 hours, which is a massive reduction compared to 7 days a week, 12-15 hours a day.

I have a job at the local bi-lo as a checkout operator/trolley boy. I’ve been there about three months. I have to pay $100AUD board a week and do the washing to stay at home (which I have been doing). However in the three months I’ve been working I’ve saved $90 dollars of an earning (AFTER TAX) of $3474.12. Yes. I haven’t saved a single fucking thing. My parents believe that I’m still addicted to computer games, and that I spend most of my money on the internet café.  The truth is, most of the money has been spent on fast food and transport to/from the internet café, and paying off some debts that had arisen from being on Centrelink Youth Allowance benefit. Basically it wouldn’t stretch to fit my gaming AND food at the same time. Most of my friends meet up at the internet café, and after two years solid there, I have picked up a lot of friends, but no one I can really call a “best friend”, and barely anyone I can call a “good friend”. Some of these friends have introduced me to drugs like marijuana and ecstasy, and nearly all of them smoked at one point in time. I was never a frequent user of any of these. Only tried ecstasy once, and marijuana once every two or three months. I only smoke maybe once a fortnight, or whenever I get to see my friends and play some poker, or if I go out to surfers (the local night spot) and get wasted. I do binge drink on occasion, last time was on Australia day (26th January) when I spent $200 dollars on drinks at a night club (most was shouted on mates).

At present I prioritise my activities in the following order;
-    work
-    computer games
-    friends
-    girls
The reason that girls are so low on this list is because I don’t think that I could commit to a relationship, and I don’t feel like I’m able to face a girl. By that I mean I don’t want to have to converse and flatter and bullshit like I see my mates do. I know I could, it’s just I couldn’t be fucked for some reason. No I’m not gay. I think I have too much on my plate at the moment anyway. I have to save for a computer, car and tafe courses (which I’m failing to do). If I don’t get the computer I can’t get a car, and if I don’t have a car, I’m sure as hell not using public transport to get to tafe, it’s too unreliable. I prioritise work over computer games because I need the money, and I enjoy it, but I’m not doing well at saving the money that I earn. I’ve only just paid for the network connection in my room, ready for when I do get a computer.

So, my current situation is; I’m grounded for the 2nd week in a row, and I’m going crazy. My stepdad just yelled at me to get off the computer, but I’m here typing this so I refused. I haven’t played any computer game for 2 whole weeks, and I’m here on my parents old computer (shared with my brother sister and I), but its got no games and I’m probably not allowed to install anything. Being grounded is driving me out of my skull because I can’t go to the internet café, I can’t see my mates, I can’t hang out with a girl I like. I was livid two hours ago, it’s kinda wearing off. I’m 18, an adult, and the only reason I’m abiding to this grounding is because I’m threatened with homelessness if I don’t. I have a job that I like, and it’s really close to my house. I’d be a fool to throw the progress I’ve made away. Sure I haven’t saved much, but at least I have a job. If I was homeless, theres no sort of public services available for people over 18, at least none that I know of locally. If there were, it would certainly only be for short term crisis care.

My parents think I’m getting into debt to play computer games still, when I have to pay for transport, and meals whilst I’m out. They are unwilling to drop me off in there themselves, and when they do, I have to fill up their fuel tank. It cost me $80 dollars last time. The café is about 15km (9.5mi) away from my house, so I can’t ride, or walk. When I am playing there, I tend to be shallow in conversation with my friends, because my focus is on the computer game. I generally haven’t played for ages, and I want to focus. I have had offers of help with addiction counselling, but I brushed it off pretty lightly. Two hours ago I was quite seriously flirting with the idea of getting kicked out of home to play and hang out with my friends. If that happened the only solution I have is to bunk out at a mates place for as long as possible.

In summary I think I’m addicted but I don’t want help, because I enjoy playing computer games too much. I don’t handle myself around girls very well at all, and I barely pass at conversing with the friends that I have. I’m not saving very well to achieve my long term goals, which is only slowing me down, and I think computer gaming and my addiction may be holding me back.

Yeah I know it was a wall of text tl;dr addiction is holding me back socially, academically and psychologically, what should I do?
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6212|Washington DC
Hey man, I used to be pretty addicted to gaming as well. I can't say I was quite as addicted as you were but nonetheless. I'd get home on Friday (parents didn't let me play games on weekdays), load up BF2, play till 10 or 11, go to bed, then repeat Saturday and Sunday.

I did this from maybe Freshman year to the start of my Junior year (high school). It somewhat affected me academically, and it certainly affected me physically. I became weak, slightly fat, didn't have a lot of friends, all because I wanted the points. I think I can say I was addicted... mentally. I don't think games can cause an actual physical addiction.

I had so-so social skills... I had a few friends but I lost connection with some of them. I sucked at interacting with girls, mainly ones I was infatuated with.

But a month or two ago, I decided enough was enough. I was sick of being weak, sick of having not much social interaction, sick of not having those ladies skills that everyone else seems to be fuckin born with.

So I joined a gym, and decided... to just be myself. And I think I can say it's been working. I ended up making friends with these two guys who are /b/tards, became better friends with a few folks, and I'm getting to know some other people as well. I decided to take off my mask if you will and let myself out. There are still times when I put on that mask, when I still think "Oh, they'll just think what I say is stupid." But I figure... if they think I'm stupid so what?! I'm gonna be out of this place and in college in 1.5 years and probably never see them again!

Going to the gym has also helped, a lot. Not only do I tend to feel more energetic, but I also feel more confident. I walk with a straighter pose, I'm getting stronger and bigger, and it just feels great to finish a workout and feel like you've done something.

I still game, not quite so much though. I DO still sit on the computer way more than I should. I STILL don't go out that often with friends (a lot of the friends I've made aren't social butterflies either, go figure... like attracts like). But I feel better about myself, and I feel that I can achieve my goals. Be it getting into a decent college, joining the military, getting girls or friends.

You need to set little things for yourself, to "earn your keep." Like I said, joining a gym might be nice. When you play games you won't feel like you're just sitting there all the time.

Ask yourself, do you WANT to make it in life? Do you WANT to have a secure job and be able to move out? Do you WANT to be able to play games? Do you WANT to get closer to friends? If you want to, you can do it. Wake up each morning and tell yourself, "I am going to TAFE and I'm going to study my ass off. Then I'll do some exercise, and play some games if I've got the time." If you are MOTIVATED to get somewhere, you will get it. You seem like a very bright person, and it would be a shame for a smart mind to go to waste. GET that degree, play your games, chill with your friends. You will make it.
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6624|Kyiv, Ukraine
I cured my gaming habit the Mark Twain way...

I got a job designing them.

Now, instead of playing empire builders (my favorite type of games, after RPG, FPS, MMORPG, flight sims, RTS's...ugh, nvm), I can actually play the real life version since Ubisoft handed me a small studio.

Love of games in this industry is absolutely respected.  Amazingly, most people working in games don't really care or play that much, so being seen as a "real gamer" is strangely respected.  Also amazingly, my addiction has been 90% cured.  Games are now "work".  There are a few I play for fun, but nowhere near the intensity that I used to play.  I remember years ago going to bang the hell out of my hot german girlfriend and then sneaking out of her bed at 1am to drive home to play SWG...now THAT is addiction.

For all that, I don't consider the 1000's of hours I spent playing in my youth wasted.  My mother was a pretty awnry bitch and computer games have always been my retreat of sorts, a way to take a vacation in my own head no matter what was physically smashing around me.  It also got me through 4 months of non-stop funeral detail in my later days of my army career, they gave me something else to think about (or not think).
Lai
Member
+186|6402

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

The reason that girls are so low on this list is because I don’t think that I could commit to a relationship, and I don’t feel like I’m able to face a girl. By that I mean I don’t want to have to converse and flatter and bullshit like I see my mates do. I know I could, it’s just I couldn’t be fucked for some reason.
It's a good idea not to rush with girls; they can make you, but also break you and you'll be thrown into your addiction again very easily.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7008|Argentina
I used to be very addicted to videogames when I was a kid and until I got married (lot of hours of gaming).  Now, I have an almost 6 months old kid and I play an average of 1 hour a day after work including weekends.  So, everyone being single and not working play now, coz later you'll have a lot of obligations.
clogar
damn ain't it great to be a laxer
+32|6207|Minnesota
a simple way to fix your problem: get off the computer altogether (minus important stuff like email). seriously, do it you'll save yourself money and time. you can buy a car without a computer, people have been doing it for decades.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7017|UK
Games should just be for when you are bored. Im pretty much bored the whole time, so i listen to music, browse internet or play games.
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6817|England

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

Wall of text
That post has inspired me to spill my guts. Ive just eaten tea, so forgive me if theres some mangled peas amongst it.

Jokes aside, in all honestly, thats quite similar to me actually, except:
a) Im older
b) Didnt go down the road of foster care/getting kicked out
c) Never done drugs

Firstly, Ive always been shy and find it hard to talk to people who arent friends. Ive never had a problem making friends, but Ive found it hard to make that first step. I got bullied twice at school, but I got both instances sorted out, and wasnt afraid to do so. Im quite judgemental on first appearances (chav/goth, etc), accents (Brummie scum ) and all the rest of it. And girls? Well, even harder. Real petty shit really, but there you go.
Ever since I was young, computers have played a role in my life. I can remember my dad buying an Amstrad and us setting up Prince of Persia and our first PC coming with Doom2 on 8 floppy disks. Although I barely touched them as I had a good social life with friends around my area and at school. Even when I got a PS, I was fine. I think what did it, was playing C&C round a friends house on the PC. I loved that game so much, I went out and bought Red Alert. I remember having to clear 50Mb of hard-disk space to play it.
Although me and another friend played it pretty much every weekend, saturday and sunday, for a whole year, I barely touched it, or a PC/console during the week. Well, except coursework and chatting on MSN.
What happened after that, is that all the kids who lived in my street, who Id grown up with on the same street for 5-10 years, all moved away within the space of 3 years. 10 families, 13 friends. Some stayed local(ish), others went to different areas of the country. Which meant, for the first time in my life, I had to rely more on friends from school. Which I did rather well, but getting a lift to my best mate who lives 10 miles away never seemed popular with my parents, despite getting on with him fine.

I actually found that when I finished school and 6th form, I had like 13 weeks til September. The previous summer, we all went down the wreck (20min walk) and played footie all day, every day. For some reason, this years summer, I didnt want to do anything, but my next door neighbour (who introduced me to C&C) had just got broadband and SOF2. So we played that a hell of a lot over the summer online, inbetween interviews for jobs, which I eventually got. As a CAD technician of all things. We played that game a hell of a lot, me more than him because I always want to be the best, so I put a lot more time in as it takes me longer to pick up things like that.

Anyway, I remember one night, a few of the lads and me went downtown, we were sat in a pub when some kid came up to me and threatened to kick the shit into me because I was "staring at his (male) cousin". Firstly, I wasnt. Secondly, im not gay. Thirdly, I was not even facing in that direction. Because I live in a smallish town (~10000), I knew him and who his cousin was. Thing was, I knew he was the kind of person who beat people for no reason other than a quick thought running through his mind. Bar that, I enjoyed the evening. The more Ive thought about it since then, the more I believe its had a knock-on effect to my life and confidence in going out, because even with my friends around, I felt seriously threatened. I think that has been a deciding factor in the way Ive led my life to date, from that evening.

Anyway, I got bored of SOF2 after a while, and with my best mate moving to New Zealand for a year, I was pretty much screwed. But I stayed with SOF2 for the clan, as they were a great bunch of people from all over the world. With 100 members, the forums were just as active as these believe it or not. Anyway, not long after my mate returned from NZ, my mum passed away, and although I could talk about it with (family) friends, Ive never been able to with anybody else. Including my best friends, and worst of all, they only asked once, which shook me up as I was wanting to talk about it, but its such a depressing subject that I didnt want to break down the tone of the evening. I am past that grieving stage now, it was 2.5years ago, although I dont think you can ever get over such a big loss - especially as Ive always been closer to mum than my dad (opposite for my brother). But my gaming addiction took a turn for the worse at that point, as it was the only place I could go to bury myself in something and think about nothing else, but using that AK-74 and nades on mp_col1.
Because I was bored of SOF2, I got into CSS not long after its official release. Played that for a year, got bored of it and planned on giving up gaming for good, both for my own sanity and because being a CAD technician, well, you can guess. Unfortunatly, from that POV, I found BF2 in Feb '06 thanks to a clanmate who had been bugging me about getting it since its release. And, since then, Ive been unable to give it up: still play BF2 to this day, and occasionally other games too.

Despite all the gaming, and it is on the decrease, I have a much better social life now and focus moreso on me and being social, but its not what it should be for someone whos nearly 23. I have turned down nights out on numerous occasions for a night in playing BF2, the latter of which being the BF2 Stats match, which Ive vowed to be the last time.
Im getting there, and whereas I used to be quite shy at work to the point where Id worry about moving around the office, I now stand about, have a joke and speak up over people to have a laugh with someone on the desk whos sat 10m away. Thats mostly thanks to the people there, which has boosted my confidence, especially after my loss. Certainly as of late, Im enjoying myself more so than I have since I left school 5 years ago this summer.
But I feel as if Ive definitly lost a lot due to gaming, both socially and physically, even mentally. Although in some respects, its made my mental mind better. Ive always been able to stop playing a game for some rest, or a break.

No matter what people say, its an addiction just like drugs, smoking, alcohol, or anything else: its just that its not (properly) recognised. Although I think it will soon, especially with the state of the WoW community. I know former clanmates who play that game for 10-18 hours a day - and thats after theyve finished school or work, or on the weekend. I know im far from being the worst, but im definitly worse than the average.
Personally, I think its also a lot to do with the clans and the communities, such as here, that keep it going. Because if it wasnt for BF2s, my old SOF2/CSS clan: #SFS#, I highly doubt Id still be gaming, or at least, on a much less regular basis. Id be just like those people who, after 3 years of BF2, are only at 2ndLt and know nothing of BF2s/BF2stats, etc etc.

Basically, its a shit social life (for numerous reasons), bullying, access to a PC and a game...and it goes from there. Unfortunatly, its up to the individual as to how dedicated they become, how involved they get and whether they can recognise what it is they are doing. Being a CAD technician, due to all the gaming, I am now seriously concerned about things such as RSI developing later on in life. And its my own fault. Its not that I havent had enough warnings, its just that I havent found anything else to replicate the enjoyment I get out of gaming, and being able to interact with people from all over the world. People like RDMC and Behemoth from BF2s, and lots of others from my past clan are just funny as fuck, crazy people and I have a great laugh with them, and own people hard. And its that part that I dont want to give up.

Last edited by Snake (2008-03-25 13:23:43)

kylef
Gone
+1,352|6744|N. Ireland
I really feel for you. I have had a few friends go down the same road, a few worse, getting totally consumed with World of Warcraft they skip school for weeks at a time, and believe me, this year isn't the year to be skipping. The key is to find something that you really enjoy. Hurricane's idea of a gym is definetely my first choice also, although the cost could be pretty difficult because of your stunningly poor after-tax after-payment income.

I can't say anything else really as my knowledge is really limited here...but like any addiction; it can be "cured"; it's just a matter of you finding something else, bar the computer, that you really enjoy. Even take up running or something like that - it'll be of no cost, your parents might then think the better of you, and you'll be fitter and healthier (you'll be glad you kept fit in 30+ years time, it'll be less strain to your heart etc and will then make you healthier)
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6656|North Carolina
I have no idea how you could get addicted to Runescape...  now Crysis is a different story....
d4rkph03n1x
Member
+131|7000

@hurricane
Since I never had my own computer at home, I could never just play when I felt like it, but whenever I could use the home computer I would, to play runescape, Diablo 2 : LOD expansion, etcetera. My problem arose when I had two years straight in foster care playing. My parents thought they’d fix me by kicking me out of home, when in fact they probably just made it worse. You’re right about the mental addiction, it’s not an aching physical addiction that keeps me wanting to play, but the environment of the internet café was probably a contributing factor. As I have made friends there, whilst playing games, it’s all rolled into one. My parents want me to give up the café altogether, but they don’t understand that I meet my friends there, hang out and play poker, and go to clubs. They think I’m just playing computer games, when infact I’m addicted to hanging out with my friends at the same time.

A few months ago, (about the same time as you), I decided I’d had enough of not having skills with ladies and friends either, but I still haven’t been proactive about it. To be honest, I’ve procrastinated and dealt with my current situation for a long time because it’s easy to me; I’m used to it. I have thought about a gym membership, but I live so far out of the way of anything, so I need a car, which is part of my reasoning for procrastination. I have also thought about joining the military, but to be honest, it’s my solution if I have something drastic change about the way I’m living now, or if I fail my education again.

I have a lot of friends, some of who are /b/tards aswell haha. When I first started at the internet café, you could say I was coming out of the worst period of my life. I went to an alternative school to finish my year 10 qualification, and that’s where I had my first cigarette, first cone of marijuana etc etc. The whole experience of foster care and the school that I went to after getting expelled from 2 schools in 6 weeks has changed me, I think for the better. You should have seen me before all this happened, I was a wreck. I had NO confidence at all. The alternative school was where I first taught myself to adjust socially, but playing at the internet café helped me gain more and more social confidence, and status. Now that I’m good at a lot of games, a lot of my friends do see me as equal, or look up to me. My social status of an omega, if you will, has risen to beta or alpha male of the pack.

Thanks for the advice, <3.

@snake
Thanks for taking the time to read, and post a great post highlighting the fact that I’m not alone. I don’t feel like writing a massive post in return, because I believe I covered most of it in my @hurricane

@kylef
Thanks for the sympathy mate.

@gorrilla
Thanks to you too.

Just again, thanks for taking the time to read and share your situations and stories too. I had to get it off my chest, and I’m glad that some of you did too. My addiction is something that I’ll have to choose to get rid of, by finding out something that I like better. My main problem is if I give up the gaming at the internet café, I basically give up meeting all of my current friends aswell.

Last edited by d4rkph03n1x (2008-03-26 01:00:23)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7023|PNW

d4rkph03n1x

Get a job in construction. Doing stuff with your hands (no, not in the privacy of your room) is much more satisfying then getting that next virtual level, and stay away from the internet cafes. I usually go to one like what...once a year? And then only if old college buddies are meeting up. They drain money like a madman.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-03-26 03:25:20)

HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6212|Washington DC

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

but playing at the internet café helped me gain more and more social confidence, and status. Now that I’m good at a lot of games, a lot of my friends do see me as equal, or look up to me. My social status of an omega, if you will, has risen to beta or alpha male of the pack.
That's good!

They key here is something you've undoubtedly heard all your life: moderation.

It sounds to me that what you need is a hobby, or something to occupy your time that's more constructive. To play a pun and going of unnamednewbie's suggestion, you could definitely consider a new job like construction. You'll interact with lots of people, you'll get strong, and (at least in the movies!) you get to do cat-calls at hot women who walk down the street on your lunch break Really, although it's definitely not just a thing you do overnight (if you really like what you're doing / studying now especially), a job that involves more interaction with people and especially one that teaches you leadership will make you more confident and have better social skills.

Just set yourself a time limit to be at the cafe. One or two hours a day... sound reasonable? Your friends shouldn't object, and that time limit is JUST for the cafe. You and your pals can hit the movie theatre, a restaurant, play some sports, or just chill out (and max and relax all cool. Maybe shoot some b-ball as well).

You don't have to give up gaming. Just set limits for yourself, try to follow them, with things that force you to follow them if you must. I also noticed how you said you don't save lots of money... well, I'm not a business major but some things I can suggest:

-Carpool with a pal, split the gas bill
-Buy your own food, bring your own lunch (much cheaper in the long run)
-One day (hey, use this is an obligation that keeps you from staying too long at the cafe) just analyze your expenses and see what can be cut out and what can be reduced

Sorry I'm not much help in terms of finances, hopefully someone can help more.

Like I said though... you're a smart person, and (not to demean how you might feel) you really don't sound like a "severe case." You sound a lot like me (although I wasn't in a foster home nor do I have parents who think I'm super addicted)... just someone who needs to occupy his time. For me, those time occupiers are weightlifting and the guitar. I'm trying to get back into reading more books, and I'm also trying to reinvigorate my interest / knowledge of cars and computers.
too_money2007
Member
+145|6559|Keller, Tx
I think that everyone here has been addicited to games at one point in their life?

For me, it started when we got our first computer ever, some crappy 386 and I was introduced to a littel game named Civilization. I literally played that game 8 hours a day. Then came Duke3d (I cannot remember how much time I spent on it), then Simcity, Tribes, Diablo2, SWG (I hate MMO's now due to this game) and BF2. I graduated high school in 2000 and have spent nearly a decade addicted. I moved in with my mom and had a nearly minimal wage job I worked, then came home and played D2, for 4 years straight.

I finally got sick and tired of my life. Of seeing everything pass me by and not having the ability to get what I wanted (girls, hot hot girls). Though I was fat when I graduated HS, I had lost weight due to working so much, so I decided to finally hit the gym and get some sort of a physique. I became more social and met more girls. I eventually met my wife, got married and we had a baby. He's now 11 months old and makes me the proudest dad in the world. I wouldn't change any of it for anything.

One step I found that works... sell your computer and get a crappy laptop for just surfing the net. Problem solved.
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6817|England

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

d4rkph03n1x

Get a job in construction. Doing stuff with your hands (no, not in the privacy of your room) is much more satisfying then getting that next virtual level, and stay away from the internet cafes. I usually go to one like what...once a year?
Lol...ironic that Im in Construction, but I provide the site fellas drawings of what to do
And Ive never been to an internet cafe


d4rkph03n1x wrote:

@snake
Thanks for taking the time to read, and post a great post highlighting the fact that I’m not alone.
You certainly are not, there are a lot of people who are a LOT more worse off than any of us (i.e. mainly those dedicated WoW players ).

HurricaИe wrote:

I also noticed how you said you don't save lots of money... well, I'm not a business major but some things I can suggest:

-Carpool with a pal, split the gas bill
-Buy your own food, bring your own lunch (much cheaper in the long run)
-One day (hey, use this is an obligation that keeps you from staying too long at the cafe) just analyze your expenses and see what can be cut out and what can be reduced

Sorry I'm not much help in terms of finances, hopefully someone can help more.
Aye, but the thing is, thats only small amounts - it depends how you want it to go in the long run.
In the short run, yeah, thats fine. Things like not smoking will save you money every week (if you save it, and dont blow it on booze ), and if you get a car, then get a cheap one thats reliable and cheap to run - dont go getting no 2ltr turbos or anything.
I, for example, got an apprenticeship when I left school at 18, starting on £6500 a year. Now, 5 years later, Im on £19K (~ $38000 US dollars), and thats gona go up over the next 3 years to ~ £26K (~ $52000 US dollars). And that will go up about £10K if I go on to be an engineer rather than a technician. Built into all of that, Ive had College and University education (degree will be complete in 2 years time) ...all paid for by my company and on-the-job training for my career.
With that kind of money, living at home (and driving a sports car ), money is of no concern to me at the moment - although im sure thatll change when I get my own place though. Hell, Im giving a friend a £4000 loan to get a car in the summer which hes gona pay back over 2 years: thats not even a drop in the ocean for me. I actually manage to save quite a lot because of it. But thats because I live at home still. Make the most of it
At the end of the day, finances come down to what you want to do in life and whether you can achieve it. Im sure dark can, but he needs to sort out what he wants to do sooner, rather than later, so that finances become a lot less of a concern. If you can nail a decent job earlier, rather than later, it all becomes a lot easier. Thats my advice, from my experience anyway.

Good luck
topal63
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+533|6969

Turquoise wrote:

I have no idea how you could get addicted to Runescape...  now Crysis is a different story....
Doh!

That's my current addiction... they should not have included a great editor with it (the Sandbox 2 editor), and then released a SDK as well. I can't stop modding or changing it. Everything I don't like - I change. I've been editing the single player campaign seemingly endlessly - I can't stop!!! I see something that looks like shit and "I must... I...," o' crap anal retentive OCD kicking in now - "I must change that." (Anybody who knows me - knows details bother me - exceedingly!)
Scardaddy
Member
+37|6643|UK
I know I need help, and I don't know what to do.  It is ruining my life, and takes more then anything that I have ever wanted.  The worst part is I don' think I want to stop and that is truly scary.  I am being 100% serious, it threatens my life my lively hood, my individuality, my love, my money my enjoyment and my diet.  I am scared...
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX
You guys all seem to realise its ruining your lives, its an addiction. As they say - realisation is the first step.

You need to stop dead with the games - the sooner you do it the sooner you'll realise how easy it is to do.
No - I'll just play 20 mins before I go to sleep - we know where this goes.
You guys need to save and study NOW.
If you need a break get out and do a sport, or just walk around, develop some social skills however painful it is.

I went through it all, when you're tired, depressed, bored of studying its easy to go for that endorphin fix you get from games.
You get into an addicted/depressive/hopeless/whats the point of working cycle with no apparent exit.
Sub-Battle, Wolfenstein, Hellcats Over the Pacific on a Mac LC 4/80 I remember them well.

Just stop the cycle, wipe the games, break the discs, erase your players.
You won't have lost anything, trust me.
When you've finished your studies, got a job - whatever, there will be a game out 10x better than you're playing now -  and you'll be able to afford it and a decent PC.

Two degrees, four Senior Engineer jobs later I can tell you its worthwhile to knuckle down early, painful though it was, and I left it late enough
Now I play 1-2 hrs a week, if that. And BF2 is way better than Doom 1.0
Fuck Israel
Lai
Member
+186|6402

Dilbert_X wrote:

I went through it all, when you're tired, depressed, bored of studying its easy to go for that endorphin fix you get from games.
You get into an addicted/depressive/hopeless/whats the point of working cycle with no apparent exit.
Sub-Battle, Wolfenstein, Hellcats Over the Pacific on a Mac LC 4/80 I remember them well.
Endorphins? I never heard that gaming addiction was about edorphins before. If it's true, chocolate might help gaming addicts to come clean. That would also explain why there are fewer female gamers; because they generally consume more chocolate and are thus already satified in their endorphin needs.

That would be a bloody brilliant experiment; feed a gaming addict Lindt 98% whenever he feels the urge to boot up. Damn, we should test that, we might find a cure for gaming addiction and get filthy rich just by having someone eat chocolate!

d4rkph03n1x since you still seem to be quite addicted ATM, would you like to be testsubject 1A?

Edit: if it works and we eventually start distributing "cacao pills" for a preposterous price, we should mention "increased risk of getting obese" as one of the side effects though.

Last edited by Lai (2008-03-27 06:07:05)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX
Endorphins are released for a lot of reasons, not just consumption of chocolate.
The thrill of speed, competing, winning - its all there.
How exactly does gaming give you pleasure? Why do we do it? It all boils down to brain chemistry.

Maybe someone who knows more about this can fill out the discussion.
(BTW I am prepared to volunteer for the chocolate trial)
Fuck Israel
Dragonclaw
Member
+186|6556|Florida
If your parents are actually making you PAY to live with them, then leave as soon as you can. Your parents are fucking idiots who dont deserve to live.
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6212|Washington DC

Dilbert_X wrote:

Endorphins are released for a lot of reasons, not just consumption of chocolate.
The thrill of speed, competing, winning - its all there.
How exactly does gaming give you pleasure? Why do we do it? It all boils down to brain chemistry.

Maybe someone who knows more about this can fill out the discussion.
(BTW I am prepared to volunteer for the chocolate trial)
doing something you enjoy releases serotonin
Lai
Member
+186|6402

Dilbert_X wrote:

Endorphins are released for a lot of reasons, not just consumption of chocolate.
The thrill of speed, competing, winning - its all there.
How exactly does gaming give you pleasure? Why do we do it? It all boils down to brain chemistry.

Maybe someone who knows more about this can fill out the discussion.
(BTW I am prepared to volunteer for the chocolate trial)
Hmmm,.. but chocolate is special in that it doesn't (only) stimulate the human body to release endorphins, but rather contains endorphins in the substance itself. As such eating chocolate gives you a direct endorphin shot, depending on the quantity and the purity of the chocolate.
BL4CKL10N
Member
+66|6533
Maybe you should try out different activities you can do within your desktop, for example Photoshop. Well, I have the same problem, I still have this gaming in my blood, I can't avoid it for some reason. But I try to replace it with GFX, which is working pretty good at the moment. I'm not thinking about playing any games for the next few months or even years, but BF3 may change it

You're not the only one having problems with girls, maybe I will never get used to them, although I can be sure that I'm not gay. You know, some people for example me, are just to shy to actually talk to a girl when she's making a sign during class or parties. There's nothing to worry about, that's your nature and there's nothing wrong about it. But the earth is big, you'll eventually find a partner who is able to understand you, it's just a matter of time.

If you like to play games, then just do it. We all live once, not twice, it's better to enjoy being alive rather than living a life which you're not the owner of your behaviours. Get a job, have your fun and let it be. Life isn't that complicated imo, people just make it up.

But in the end, it's your choice. I'm only 17, maybe not old enough to say these things to an older guy, but maybe you can filter some good or useful aspects out of my crappy English text (sorry not my mother language) and use it for your own good.

I hope I helped,
~FuzZz~
.yag era uoy fi siht deaR
+422|6573|Orrstrayleea
I was once addicted too, playing at a LAN cafe, i'm not sure what it was that made me cut down on it. It may have been a mix of different influences on my life.

Getting a job definatly helped, because i wasn't constantly leaving school and heading there until i ran out of money, but i think it was mostly friends that helped, Yes, they gamed with me, but not as much. You're in a clan right? (cF* or C-reign?) Quit, this is only another reason you crave gaming.
Taking risks is a help too, it's good that you go out and get on the Grog with mates, This helps those social skillz.

As for the ladies, they like abuse at first, then once you're friends with them be sweet, its worth it

GL With Real life dude, <3 PTG

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