Ok, this lag is honestly pissing me off now. Takes me 5 minutes just to refresh...
Be back later.
Be back later.
QFTATG wrote:
first, what do you think the governments response would be?
They would try to cut off services and food supplies
what do you think the military response would be?
I'd like to believe the citizen soldiers would turn their guns on the politicians before they would use them on a large group of civilians; That's they key, if five million citizens marched/swarmed on Washington and somewhat peaceably shut the place down I don't think there is much they could do. But if small groups of people went around blowing stuff up and assasinating politicians and police officers thinking they were going to change the government they would be put down as terrorists.
at what point do you think the military would start killing their own countrymen?
I'd like to believe that they would only do it if the cause of the militias was immoral; like if it was trying to take freedoms away from the people, instead of restoring them.
and how effective would the citizens be against an actual army?
If enough people in America really wanted to go there I believe we would be quite effective. Guns are abundant. Raw materials for making explosives are readily available and millions of tons of commercial explosives are just lying around. Computer nerds could disrupt internets.
The real question for me is, what would it take to rile the people so much that they would unite to fight?
I cannot imagine anything. Too bad really. The U.S.S.R. is gone. The United States spent trillions and fifty years defeating the Soviet Union so that our sovereignty could be surrendered as elitists try to attempt a North American Union. They are making our situation so bad the AU we seem like a good alternative. Politicians are wholly corrupt and corporations control U.S. policy. It is time to reset the clock in this country.
Politicians should remember that people who feel like they have nothing left to lose are very dangerous.
nah, the whole system is replete with laws that guarantee overwhelmingly large and tyrannical corporations. banking legislation in particular. our elected officials cant do a thing to change it in their 4 years of power, and for the most part they only achieve positions of power with the consent of the banks and media. so they are useless in protecting the rights of individuals.B.Schuss wrote:
as I said before, I really can't imagine a scenario under which a full-flegded armed rebellion against the US government would seem the only possible alternative. I mean, someone has to run the country, and what guarantee would you have that those you put into power will do better than those you just removed ? Power corrupts.
This is not about the political system, it's about the people running it. And people are generally assholes. Some more, some less.
gotta go, I'll continue this later....
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Please.Pug wrote:
Would US citizens be able to defeat the government?
Yes, every four years.
lolCommieChipmunk wrote:
Please.Pug wrote:
Would US citizens be able to defeat the government?
Yes, every four years.
Jesus.
We get to "choose" between two "chosen" candidates from two "different" parties.
very good points. the government would control water, food, and electricity supplies. Also, fuel supplies would become an issue sooner or later.Superior Mind wrote:
I think that a major problem would be like ATG mentioned: utilities. If the government shut down water and electricity supplies most people would really struggle. Another problem would be getting around this massive nation. Traveling by car would be tough unless you knew the back roads of the land (military checkpoints). Also, it may be easy for you folk who live in places like Missouri to attain fire arms, for people who live in big cities like me, it would be nearly impossible.
honestly, I have long believed that a little more diversity with regard to the political parties in the US would work miracles to re-vitalize the political life in the US. Because essentially, you only have one more party than the dreaded communists...Pug wrote:
lolCommieChipmunk wrote:
Please.Pug wrote:
Would US citizens be able to defeat the government?
Yes, every four years.
Jesus.
We get to "choose" between two "chosen" candidates from two "different" parties.
well, first off, this isnt something im going to do.KuSTaV wrote:
Well, Parker. Good luck with that. Id say... no. However I suppose there could be a peaceful overturn of the government if the entire country hates the president so much... its just the guns that would lead to the wrong outcome.
Let's say its a close race between four parties. One barely beats the others. Now 3/4's of the nation hates the president instead of the usual half.B.Schuss wrote:
honestly, I have long believed that a little more diversity with regard to the political parties in the US would work miracles to re-vitalize the political life in the US. Because essentially, you only have one more party than the dreaded communists...
Once you get to the national level, politicians no longer represent anywhere near an accurate sample of the population.Steel wrote:
under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.Parker wrote:
no, the government is NOT the people.Magpie wrote:
the gov is the ppl soooo civil war ftw??
what government are you from?
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And by that theory, you should really remove one party. Then everyone votes for who wins and then everyone will love the president.Pug wrote:
Let's say its a close race between four parties. One barely beats the others. Now 3/4's of the nation hates the president instead of the usual half.
Don't blame me...I voted for Kodos!Pug wrote:
(Ps. good idea. I now cite Simpson's Halloween Special where the Aliens take over the Earth because they replace the presidential candidates. Something like: "Hooohahahaha. Yes, I'm not George Bush, I'm an alien. And my Democratic opponent is also an alien. You can vote for whomever you wish. Hooohahaha. Voting for Nader is like throwing your vote away!")
If you read between the lines (I did cite Kodos for President) that no one is ever happy.DrunkFace wrote:
And by that theory, you should really remove one party. Then everyone votes for who wins and then everyone will love the president.Pug wrote:
Let's say its a close race between four parties. One barely beats the others. Now 3/4's of the nation hates the president instead of the usual half.
/logic.